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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:09 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:We’ll have to agree to disagree as I see it differently


No we really haven’t. We’ve been trying to spread democracy or some other crap. I mean actually using our might to control the world.


You claim to be a state socialist, but how does that square with the fact you are clearly advocating for imperialism (and military conquest)?

How else do you expect the Revolution to spread? By love peace and happiness? The Cold War proved that those who stand against the workers will do anything to stay in power. The use of force is all they understand.

We shouldn't be sending the working class off to conquer, maim, kill, and traumatize the working class of other countries.

The rest of the world isn’t going to liberate itself.

Spending on the military is a waste of human life, human potential, resources, etc... As well as antagonizes the world.

Pacifism has not gotten us anywhere. It hasn’t gotten us any closer to a revolution. Why? Because those who oppose socialism don’t care about peace, they don’t care about anything other than money. They only understand Force. So we have to use force against them
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:09 pm

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Senkaku wrote:So after we turn North America into an armed camp and use space nukes to conquer the planet, does that automatically kick off the golden age in and of itself, or is there a second stage

Well then we use the global resources to expand humanities reach beyond the stars

Ah ok good I was gonna say what kind of “ideology” only involves extending your fantasies of ego over one little planet lol
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:11 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I’ll let the brains do that. Ya know after I chuck a billion or three at them.


Obviously not everyone is happy those in jail obviously aren’t.

Besides the nationalization of space and all things that benefit our National security is a good thing


Why does our "nation" get to be in charge? There is nothing special or exceptional or inherently valuable about our nation.

Because we can.

Our goal should be to benefit all humanity, not just the U.S. and its "allies."

Only after we have control of the world. Then we can expand to the stars.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:11 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
We shouldn't be sending the working class off to conquer, maim, kill, and traumatize the working class of other countries.

The rest of the world isn’t going to liberate itself.

“You’ve heard of air-launched cluster liberation, but have you ever considered orbital thermonuclear liberation?”
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Postby Maricarland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
Why does our "nation" get to be in charge? There is nothing special or exceptional or inherently valuable about our nation.

Because we can.

Our goal should be to benefit all humanity, not just the U.S. and its "allies."

Only after we have control of the world. Then we can expand to the stars.


So, according to you, might makes right.
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Postby Hispida » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:13 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because we can.


Only after we have control of the world. Then we can expand to the stars.


So, according to you, might makes right.

"And from the ashes, a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they'll make America great again![...] In my new America, people will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for money. not for oil! Not for what they're told is right. Every man will be free to fight his own wars!"
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:13 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because we can.


Only after we have control of the world. Then we can expand to the stars.


So, according to you, might makes right.

Yes. I’ve never shied away from the fact that I believe that
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Postby Maricarland » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:14 pm

Hispida wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
So, according to you, might makes right.

"And from the ashes, a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they'll make America great again![...] In my new America, people will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for money. not for oil! Not for what they're told is right. Every man will be free to fight his own wars!"


I assume you either quoting Thermodolia or satirically speaking in his voice.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:15 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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The rest of the world isn’t going to liberate itself.

“You’ve heard of air-launched cluster liberation, but have you ever considered orbital thermonuclear liberation?”

I fucking love you
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Our goal should be to benefit all humanity, not just the U.S. and its "allies."

Only after we have control of the world. Then we can expand to the stars.

Alexander’s conquest of Persia was socialist praxis but it would’ve been even socialister if he’d used H-bombs
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:17 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:

Only after we have control of the world. Then we can expand to the stars.

Alexander’s conquest of Persia was socialist praxis but it would’ve been even socialister if he’d used H-bombs

Then he really would have been a god among men
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Postby Picairn » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:19 pm

Maricarland wrote:So, according to you, might makes right.

The only problem with might makes right: MAD.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:19 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Alexander’s conquest of Persia was socialist praxis but it would’ve been even socialister if he’d used H-bombs

Then he really would have been a god among men

It really is quite creepy how many people will nod when the American right says “socialism is when you kill people and take their stuff” and then go “yes, and that’s why I want it”
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:20 pm

Picairn wrote:
Maricarland wrote:So, according to you, might makes right.

The only problem with might makes right: MAD.

Not if we also have a Star Wars type anti-nuclear defense program
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Postby Hispida » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:21 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Hispida wrote:"And from the ashes, a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they'll make America great again![...] In my new America, people will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for money. not for oil! Not for what they're told is right. Every man will be free to fight his own wars!"


I assume you either quoting Thermodolia or satirically speaking in his voice.

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj4XenU6tyIit's armstrong's monologue from metal gear rising.[/url] he's the most might-makes-right politician in history, so i feel obligated to mention him whenever the ideal of "might makes right" is mentioned.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:21 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:
The rest of the world isn’t going to liberate itself.

“You’ve heard of air-launched cluster liberation, but have you ever considered orbital thermonuclear liberation?”


Has anyone given any thought into recreational nukes?

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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:21 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
You claim to be a state socialist, but how does that square with the fact you are clearly advocating for imperialism (and military conquest)?

How else do you expect the Revolution to spread?

How does an atomic shadow become a revolutionary, exactly?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:22 pm

Hispida wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
I assume you either quoting Thermodolia or satirically speaking in his voice.

it's armstrong's monologue from metal gear rising. he's the most might-makes-right politician in history, so i feel obligated to mention him whenever the ideal of "might makes right" is mentioned.

You forgot about “]”
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:22 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Picairn wrote:The only problem with might makes right: MAD.

Not if we also have a Star Wars type anti-nuclear defense program

This is like when kids play with imaginary guns or something and then one of them goes “but I have an invincible shield”
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Postby Hispida » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:23 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Hispida wrote:it's armstrong's monologue from metal gear rising. he's the most might-makes-right politician in history, so i feel obligated to mention him whenever the ideal of "might makes right" is mentioned.

You forgot about “]”

what? left bracket?
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:23 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Senkaku wrote:“You’ve heard of air-launched cluster liberation, but have you ever considered orbital thermonuclear liberation?”


Has anyone given any thought into recreational nukes?

Yes, but the American government is currently sanctioning the centrifuge parts that Gender Reveal Inc. needs for its enrichment program
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Postby Picairn » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Not if we also have a Star Wars type anti-nuclear defense program

The original program was a joke and a waste of money.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:24 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:How else do you expect the Revolution to spread?

How does an atomic shadow become a revolutionary, exactly?

Well when your enemies are all glass it’s hard for them to stop worker revolutions now isn’t it?

Also I’ve communed with dolphins and some strange aliens
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:25 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Senkaku wrote:How does an atomic shadow become a revolutionary, exactly?

Well when your enemies are all glass it’s hard for them to stop worker revolutions now isn’t it?

Also I’ve communed with dolphins and some strange aliens

If no one can tell when you’re doing a bit and when you aren’t, maybe re-evaluate your comedy
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:25 pm

Hispida wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You forgot about “]”

what? left bracket?

Yup. It goes at the end of the link and before what you type. I fixed the link for you
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