American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Untecna]

Are you claiming this never happened?

The Southern strategy is way overblown, and to call it an outright myth really isn't that far from the truth. Newt Gingrich won in southern, suburban Fulton County, not Jimmy Carter's hometown. It was the least culturally Southern Southerners who first started voting for the Republicans other than in 1964.

Damn, didn't know words mean anything anymore, and that you are the only one that's right.

OK, so no evidence from you in his support then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgz3p4cEXZU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8VOM8ET1WU (There is also a counterpart video, for the Dems)
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democ ... forms.html
https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-a ... -New-Deal/

[Umeria]

Not really. We can print 20 trillion dollar coins, hand them to the federal bank and buy back $20 trillion in debt. Then we can spend how we see fit.

The government can declare that a new note is whatever it wants.

Yeah but infinite money != infinite resources. Spending time, labor, and materials building bombs means less of those resources for important things.

And no we don’t spend enough on the military, we need a thousand ship navy and a major spending increase in space warfare

Why? What possible purpose could that serve?

[Nationalist Northumbria]

The Southern strategy is way overblown, and to call it an outright myth really isn't that far from the truth. Newt Gingrich won in southern, suburban Fulton County, not Jimmy Carter's hometown. It was the least culturally Southern Southerners who first started voting for the Republicans other than in 1964.


OK, so no evidence from you in his support then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgz3p4cEXZU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8VOM8ET1WU (There is also a counterpart video, for the Dems)
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democ ... forms.html
https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-a ... -New-Deal/

I asked for a source, not Wikipedia. Natalie Wolchover is a science journalist depending on a single source with a biased presentation of history, and also the essay you linked supports none of his points.

[Nora Xent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgz3p4cEXZU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8VOM8ET1WU (There is also a counterpart video, for the Dems)
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democ ... forms.html
https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-a ... -New-Deal/

I asked for a source, not Wikipedia. Natalie Wolchover is a science journalist depending on a single source with a biased presentation of history, and also the essay you linked supports none of his points.

How about 'From George Wallace to Newt Gingrich: Race in the Conservative Counterrevolution 1963–1994. p. 35.' as a source than?

[Thermodolia]

Not really. We can print 20 trillion dollar coins, hand them to the federal bank and buy back $20 trillion in debt. Then we can spend how we see fit.

The government can declare that a new note is whatever it wants.

Yeah but infinite money != infinite resources. Spending time, labor, and materials building bombs means less of those resources for important things.

We can do both. It’s not like we can’t. We just refuse to.

And no we don’t spend enough on the military, we need a thousand ship navy and a major spending increase in space warfare

Why? What possible purpose could that serve?

Increased national security, total domination of the waves, and increased dominance in space. If we can get nukes in space on satellite platforms we can gain the upper hand in the global front.

Not to mention the increased funding for space could lead to future discoveries that could benefit the US and the west militarily

[Kowani]

Now included in the Trump Coup: the Kanye West campaign's publicist

Here is yet another story from the range of conspiracies and criminal plots that were afoot last winter to overthrow the government of the United States and keep Donald Trump in power after losing the 2020 presidential election. Georgia election worker Ruby Freeman was one of those innocent bystanders who became the target of death threats and harassment tied to a conspiracy theory that she had helped steal the presidential election in Georgia for Joe Biden.

On January 4th 2021 – two days before the Capitol insurrection – a woman named Trevian Kutti knocked on Freeman’s door and told her she was in danger. If Freeman didn’t confess to the truth of Trump’s election rigging charges within 48 hours unidentified persons would come to her home and Freeman along with members of her family would be sent to jail.

Kutti is a publicist and head of Trevian Worldwide, a PR firm. As of 2018 she is also the “Director of Operations” for Kanye West, a friend and political ally of Trump. (Just before signing on with West Kutti had been PR Director for R Kelly. But she quit that job as sex trafficking and assault accusations piled up.) She was there as West’s employee but only identified herself as the emissary of a “high profile” individual with an urgent message and an offer of help. At various points, Kutti suggested Freeman was in physical danger. Sometimes the threats targeted only her, at other times members of her family. At some points the people out to get Freeman were described as “federal people”. At other points they seemed to be Democrats. “You are a loose end for a party that needs to tidy up.” Threats of violence? Being disappeared? Sent to prison? It doesn’t seem to have been clear – only that Freeman had to confess if she wanted help from Kutti and the “high profile individual”.

Freeman called police saying she felt threatened and things kind of went downhill from there, with Kutti repeating her mix of threats and offers of help. A police officer eventually suggested that everyone take the meeting down to the local police station. The mix of threats and offers of assistance continued and Kutti eventually arranged a conference call with someone identified as “Harrison Ford” (but apparently not that Harrison Ford) who “had authoritative powers to get you protection” and who quizzed Freeman and tried to get her to admit to her role in the election rigging plot.

Kutti repeatedly told Freeman: “If you don’t tell everything you’re going to jail.” According to Reuters, which broke the story, police took no action and did not further investigate the incident. According to Freeman, two days after Kutti’s visit on January 6th, a large group of Trump supporters did descend on her home with bullhorns. Freeman had already fled her home because of a January 5th tip from the FBI.

[Untecna]

I asked for a source, not Wikipedia. Natalie Wolchover is a science journalist depending on a single source with a biased presentation of history, and also the essay you linked supports none of his points.

How about 'From George Wallace to Newt Gingrich: Race in the Conservative Counterrevolution 1963–1994. p. 35.' as a source than?

He's already proven he'll believe falsehoods and not listen to people giving out sources when he asks, so I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with some bogus reason against you as well.

[Umeria]

Yeah but infinite money != infinite resources. Spending time, labor, and materials building bombs means less of those resources for important things.

We can do both. It’s not like we can’t. We just refuse to.

But you agree that we don't have the capacity to build infinity of everything, right?

Why? What possible purpose could that serve?

Increased national security, total domination of the waves, and increased dominance in space. If we can get nukes in space on satellite platforms we can gain the upper hand in the global front.

Not to mention the increased funding for space could lead to future discoveries that could benefit the US and the west militarily

Domination is offensive, not defensive. We don't need to control the world to have national security.

[Thermodolia]

We can do both. It’s not like we can’t. We just refuse to.

But you agree that we don't have the capacity to build infinity of everything, right?

Who said we need to build an infinite amount of everything? We can build up our infrastructure while maintaining a large military force.

We did it in the past so I don’t know why it’s impossible now. Sure my plans would involve the complete nationalization of all industries that are necessary for National security, but it’s really not that bad.

Besides we can do quite a lot, we just have become weak and care about the bottom dollar or the stock market or how much it will cost instead of taking risks. Our enemies aren’t afraid of taking risks.

Increased national security, total domination of the waves, and increased dominance in space. If we can get nukes in space on satellite platforms we can gain the upper hand in the global front.

Not to mention the increased funding for space could lead to future discoveries that could benefit the US and the west militarily

Domination is offensive, not defensive. We don't need to control the world to have national security.

The best offense is a good defense. Besides it’s our duty to lead the world to a golden age, particularly under my ideology

[Senkaku]

Increased national security, total domination of the waves, and increased dominance in space. If we can get nukes in space on satellite platforms we can gain the upper hand in the global front.

Not to mention the increased funding for space could lead to future discoveries that could benefit the US and the west militarily

Kessler Syndrome 2: Thermonuclear Boogaloo

[Thermodolia]

Increased national security, total domination of the waves, and increased dominance in space. If we can get nukes in space on satellite platforms we can gain the upper hand in the global front.

Not to mention the increased funding for space could lead to future discoveries that could benefit the US and the west militarily

Kessler Syndrome 2: Thermonuclear Boogaloo

Not an issue. Given that mass removal of space junk is in our National security interests

[Senkaku]

Kessler Syndrome 2: Thermonuclear Boogaloo

Not an issue. Given that mass removal of space junk is in our National security interests

Oh true I guess we can just build some extra nukes into the rocket payloads to clean it all out, hopefully Elon doesn’t Broken Arrow us before we Project Starfish ourselves

[Umeria]

Who said we need to build an infinite amount of everything? We can build up our infrastructure while maintaining a large military force.

We did it in the past so I don’t know why it’s impossible now. Sure my plans would involve the complete nationalization of all industries that are necessary for National security, but it’s really not that bad.

Besides we can do quite a lot, we just have become weak and care about the bottom dollar or the stock market or how much it will cost instead of taking risks. Our enemies aren’t afraid of taking risks.

Well in my opinion any military spending beyond what's needed to protect ourselves doesn't serve any purpose beyond hurting others, so it isn't worth it.

The best offense is a good defense. Besides it’s our duty to lead the world to a golden age, particularly under my ideology

We've been trying to do that for decades and it hasn't worked out so well. See: Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, etc.

[Maricarland]

Kessler Syndrome 2: Thermonuclear Boogaloo

Not an issue. Given that mass removal of space junk is in our National security interests

I agree that we should be getting rid of space junk, and that space junk is a national security risk. I also agree in investing in space research. However, I want to keep the military away from any space research. Space is the commons of all humanity (at least, until the extremely unlikely scenario of making contact with other sentient lifeforms that are technologically advanced and may have a claim, which I am extremely doubtful will ever happen, let alone happen in my lifetime). No one country or business should be allowed to dominate space. If we start mining asteroids (which is still a long ways off), then we must be careful not to disrupt the gravitational balance of celestial objects, and all the resources mined should belong to the world as a whole and used to fund an international social dividend for all humans, or at least the proceeds should be distributed to all the nations and states of the world based on their total population.

[Senkaku]

Besides it’s our duty to lead the world to a golden age, particularly under my ideology

So after we turn North America into an armed camp and use space nukes to conquer the planet, does that automatically kick off the golden age in and of itself, or is there a second stage

[Senkaku]

We can do both. It’s not like we can’t. We just refuse to.

But you agree that we don't have the capacity to build infinity of everything, right?

We can just build Ruhr Valley and turn all our farms into mines, what are you not getting here

[The Black Forrest]

2015 and no seatbelts? Unless this is a bus there is something wrong with the car.

They were removed.

Sure they were.

If your state has seatbelt laws, you will get a rather interesting ticket.

[Antipatros]

But you agree that we don't have the capacity to build infinity of everything, right?

We can just build Ruhr Valley and turn all our farms into mines, what are you not getting here

We must construct additional pylons.

[Thermodolia]

Not an issue. Given that mass removal of space junk is in our National security interests

Oh true I guess we can just build some extra nukes into the rocket payloads to clean it all out, hopefully Elon doesn’t Broken Arrow us before we Project Starfish ourselves

Honestly we could try using small missiles to knock the junk into a path to burn in atmosphere. The reason I suggest Missiles is that the missile could then either hit another junk part or move itself to burn up in atmosphere.

Besides Musk gets arrested for being a capitalist traitor and his company nationalized

[Thermodolia]

Who said we need to build an infinite amount of everything? We can build up our infrastructure while maintaining a large military force.

We did it in the past so I don’t know why it’s impossible now. Sure my plans would involve the complete nationalization of all industries that are necessary for National security, but it’s really not that bad.

Besides we can do quite a lot, we just have become weak and care about the bottom dollar or the stock market or how much it will cost instead of taking risks. Our enemies aren’t afraid of taking risks.

Well in my opinion any military spending beyond what's needed to protect ourselves doesn't serve any purpose beyond hurting others, so it isn't worth it.

We’ll have to agree to disagree as I see it differently

The best offense is a good defense. Besides it’s our duty to lead the world to a golden age, particularly under my ideology

We've been trying to do that for decades and it hasn't worked out so well. See: Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, etc.

No we really haven’t. We’ve been trying to spread democracy or some other crap. I mean actually using our might to control the world.

[Senkaku]

Oh true I guess we can just build some extra nukes into the rocket payloads to clean it all out, hopefully Elon doesn’t Broken Arrow us before we Project Starfish ourselves

Honestly we could try using small missiles to knock the junk into a path to burn in atmosphere. The reason I suggest Missiles is that the missile could then either hit another junk part or move itself to burn up in atmosphere.

I would suggest you start with the Wikipedia articles on space junk and Kessler syndrome and work your way from there

Besides Musk gets arrested for being a capitalist traitor and his company nationalized

It’s simple: in my “ideology,” everyone I don’t like goes to jail, I conquer the world with cool sci-fi weapons, and there are no consequences besides everyone being happy

[Maricarland]

Well in my opinion any military spending beyond what's needed to protect ourselves doesn't serve any purpose beyond hurting others, so it isn't worth it.

We’ll have to agree to disagree as I see it differently

We've been trying to do that for decades and it hasn't worked out so well. See: Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, etc.

No we really haven’t. We’ve been trying to spread democracy or some other crap. I mean actually using our might to control the world.

You claim to be a state socialist, but how does that square with the fact you are clearly advocating for imperialism (and military conquest)?

We shouldn't be sending the working class off to conquer, maim, kill, and traumatize the working class of other countries.

Spending on the military is a waste of human life, human potential, resources, etc... As well as antagonizes the world.

[Thermodolia]

Not an issue. Given that mass removal of space junk is in our National security interests

I agree that we should be getting rid of space junk, and that space junk is a national security risk. I also agree in investing in space research.

Well on that we agree.

However, I want to keep the military away from any space research. Space is the commons of all humanity (at least, until the extremely unlikely scenario of making contact with other sentient lifeforms that are technologically advanced and may have a claim, which I am extremely doubtful will ever happen, let alone happen in my lifetime). No one country or business should be allowed to dominate space. If we start mining asteroids (which is still a long ways off), then we must be careful not to disrupt the gravitational balance of celestial objects, and all the resources mined should belong to the world as a whole and used to fund an international social dividend for all humans, or at least the proceeds should be distributed to all the nations and states of the world based on their total population.

No. This is dumb.

Besides it’s our duty to lead the world to a golden age, particularly under my ideology

So after we turn North America into an armed camp and use space nukes to conquer the planet, does that automatically kick off the golden age in and of itself, or is there a second stage

Well then we use the global resources to expand humanities reach beyond the stars

[Thermodolia]

Honestly we could try using small missiles to knock the junk into a path to burn in atmosphere. The reason I suggest Missiles is that the missile could then either hit another junk part or move itself to burn up in atmosphere.

I would suggest you start with the Wikipedia articles on space junk and Kessler syndrome and work your way from there

I’ll let the brains do that. Ya know after I chuck a billion or three at them.

Besides Musk gets arrested for being a capitalist traitor and his company nationalized

It’s simple: in my “ideology,” everyone I don’t like goes to jail, I conquer the world with cool sci-fi weapons, and there are no consequences besides everyone being happy

Obviously not everyone is happy those in jail obviously aren’t.

Besides the nationalization of space and all things that benefit our National security is a good thing

[Maricarland]

I would suggest you start with the Wikipedia articles on space junk and Kessler syndrome and work your way from there

I’ll let the brains do that. Ya know after I chuck a billion or three at them.

It’s simple: in my “ideology,” everyone I don’t like goes to jail, I conquer the world with cool sci-fi weapons, and there are no consequences besides everyone being happy

Obviously not everyone is happy those in jail obviously aren’t.

Besides the nationalization of space and all things that benefit our National security is a good thing

Why does our "nation" get to be in charge? There is nothing special or exceptional or inherently valuable about our nation. Our goal should be to benefit all humanity, not just the U.S. and its "allies."