American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Kowani]

where we're at
Both of the longest votes in House History have happened today (one of them is still ongoing)

Biden calling in, trying to get a vote tonight
Progressives trying to figure out how to yoke moderates to pass BBB if the BIF goes through tonight
Moderates have been given a score by the Joint Tax Committee
There won't be enough republicans to pass BIF if the progressives don't vote for it

also, an offer from pelosi/biden to progressives
1) possible statement from mods saying they’ll vote for BBB if the CBO numbers pan out as expected

2) flipping order of the votes-BBB rule first and then BIF

[Kowani]

House beginning debate on the Rule to consider Build Back Better

[The Jamesian Republic]

House beginning debate on the Rule to consider Build Back Better

Come on let this thing pass.

[Antipatros]

If they pass BIF, it goes to Biden's desk for a signature (which he's said he will sign).

If they pass BBB, it needs to go to the Senate, right?

[The Black Forrest]

If they pass BIF, it goes to Biden's desk for a signature (which he's said he will sign).

If they pass BBB, it needs to go to the Senate, right?

Yup. The Senate needs to pass it as well.

Might take time if McConnell wants to make sure Biden accomplishes nothing as he tried to do with Obama.

[Kowani]

House beginning debate on the Rule to consider Build Back Better

Come on let this thing pass.

should point out, this isn't BBB

this was the house voting to allow debate on the vote for the rule that sets debate to let them vote on BBB (which isn't scheduled for today)

If they pass BIF, it goes to Biden's desk for a signature (which he's said he will sign).

If they pass BBB, it needs to go to the Senate, right?

correct
after it gets amended in the senate (which it almost certainly will be), the house has to pass it again
then biden can sign it

[Hispida]

For those who argue that we should not do gradual reforms and must focus on a revolution (which I hope would be peaceful), for those who believe we cannot do both electoralism and non-electoral politics, to those who disagree on how we achieve socialism or whether we should have market socialism or non-market socialism, and all the other quibbling about tactics on the left, I offer:

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LEFTIST UNITY PLEASE

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[The United Confederacy of Texas]

Man, y'all really be productive on the page count

[The Jamesian Republic]

Man, y'all really be productive on the page count

I know right?

[Kowani]

Moderate statement is out

[Kowani]

Moderate statement is out

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Progressive statement in response

House to reconvene at 22:52 EST

gonna eat something before the votes begin

[Kowani]

HOUSE CURRENTLY VOTING ON BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL

[Saiwania]

A Fox exit poll showed that for 25% of Virginia's voters, Critical Race Theory was the single most important factor in switching toward Youngkin. CRT has been redefined to refer to a wide spectrum that refers to the various ultra Progressive sociocultural trends like diversity trainings or history curriculums that emphasize the role of racism in US history. Some of it owes an intellectual debt to CRT proper, which is why its being called that- even if some people contend that the real CRT is confined to law school or certain college courses, as opposed to anything within K-12; when we know that its been pushed under Northam and McAuliffe's watch.

[Heloin]

A Fox exit poll showed that for 25% of Virginia's voters, Critical Race Theory was the single most important factor in switching toward Youngkin. CRT has been redefined to refer to a wide spectrum that refers to the various ultra Progressive sociocultural trends like diversity trainings or history cirriculums that emphasize the role of racism in US history. Some of it owes an intellectual debt to CRT proper, which is why its being called that- even if some people contend that the real CRT is confined to law school or certain college courses, as opposed to anything within K-12; when we know that its been pushed under Northam and McAuliffe's watch.

A quarter of Virginia voters reason for who they elected was literally a lie is honestly the greatest indictment of the current American political system.

[American Legionaries]

A Fox exit poll showed that for 25% of Virginia's voters, Critical Race Theory was the single most important factor in switching toward Youngkin. CRT has been redefined to refer to a wide spectrum that refers to the various ultra Progressive sociocultural trends like diversity trainings or history cirriculums that emphasize the role of racism in US history. Some of it owes an intellectual debt to CRT proper, which is why its being called that- even if some people contend that the real CRT is confined to law school or certain college courses, as opposed to anything within K-12; when we know that its been pushed under Northam and McAuliffe's watch.

A quarter of Virginia voters reason for who they elected was literally a lie is honestly the greatest indictment of the current American political system.

Exit poll fraud?

[Senkaku]

Moderate statement is out

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Progressive statement in response

House to reconvene at 22:52 EST

gonna eat something before the votes begin

Do you have a sense of why they’re suddenly allowing it to be decoupled, because it’s totally inscrutable to me— like what reason is there to think the moderates won’t just shank them in a week or two and kill it, or maim it even further? They had the votes to keep blocking BIF and keep the bills together, they’ve spent so much effort doing so already, why stop now? Is it really happening just because Biden made a request, or are progressives getting queasy about media pressure on them after VA, or is there some doubleplus-secret pressure campaign going on that most people have missed?

[Cannot think of a name]

Come on let this thing pass.

should point out, this isn't BBB

this was the house voting to allow debate on the vote for the rule that sets debate to let them vote on BBB (which isn't scheduled for today)

Everyone read that in this guy's voice, right?

[San Lumen]

A Fox exit poll showed that for 25% of Virginia's voters, Critical Race Theory was the single most important factor in switching toward Youngkin. CRT has been redefined to refer to a wide spectrum that refers to the various ultra Progressive sociocultural trends like diversity trainings or history curriculums that emphasize the role of racism in US history. Some of it owes an intellectual debt to CRT proper, which is why its being called that- even if some people contend that the real CRT is confined to law school or certain college courses, as opposed to anything within K-12; when we know that its been pushed under Northam and McAuliffe's watch.

The fact that they voted based on a lie is a stunning and depressing statement of how dumb and gullible people are.

[Kowani]

Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill has now passed the House

final count to come

[Cannot think of a name]

Progressive statement in response

House to reconvene at 22:52 EST

gonna eat something before the votes begin

Do you have a sense of why they’re suddenly allowing it to be decoupled, because it’s totally inscrutable to me— like what reason is there to think the moderates won’t just shank them in a week or two and kill it, or maim it even further? They had the votes to keep blocking BIF and keep the bills together, they’ve spent so much effort doing so already, why stop now? Is it really happening just because Biden made a request, or are progressives getting queasy about media pressure on them after VA, or is there some doubleplus-secret pressure campaign going on that most people have missed?

Uneducated guess, the same reason Charlie Brown kept trying to kick the football his sister was holding.

[Kowani]

Progressive statement in response

House to reconvene at 22:52 EST

gonna eat something before the votes begin

Do you have a sense of why they’re suddenly allowing it to be decoupled, because it’s totally inscrutable to me— like what reason is there to think the moderates won’t just shank them in a week or two and kill it, or maim it even further? They had the votes to keep blocking BIF and keep the bills together, they’ve spent so much effort doing so already, why stop now? Is it really happening just because Biden made a request, or are progressives getting queasy about media pressure on them after VA, or is there some doubleplus-secret pressure campaign going on that most people have missed?

1: pressure after the elections
2: biden promise
3: several of the moderates' top priorities can only be done through reconciliation


they'll probably get backstabbed anyway but- asi e

[American Legionaries]

A Fox exit poll showed that for 25% of Virginia's voters, Critical Race Theory was the single most important factor in switching toward Youngkin. CRT has been redefined to refer to a wide spectrum that refers to the various ultra Progressive sociocultural trends like diversity trainings or history curriculums that emphasize the role of racism in US history. Some of it owes an intellectual debt to CRT proper, which is why its being called that- even if some people contend that the real CRT is confined to law school or certain college courses, as opposed to anything within K-12; when we know that its been pushed under Northam and McAuliffe's watch.

The fact that they voted based on a lie is a stunning and depressing statement of how dumb and gullible people are.

I find it silly how much effort is spent on "But that's not what CRT is" rather than people acknowledging that 25% of Virginia's voters saw their education curriculum as the biggest problem deciding their votes.

[Cannot think of a name]

The fact that they voted based on a lie is a stunning and depressing statement of how dumb and gullible people are.

I find it silly how much effort is spent on "But that's not what CRT is" rather than people acknowledging that 25% of Virginia's voters saw their education curriculum as the biggest problem deciding their votes.

When they reach that decision based on someone makin' some shit up, it's worth noting.

[Necroghastia]

The fact that they voted based on a lie is a stunning and depressing statement of how dumb and gullible people are.

I find it silly how much effort is spent on "But that's not what CRT is" rather than people acknowledging that 25% of Virginia's voters saw their education curriculum as the biggest problem deciding their votes.

You find it silly how much effort is spent on explaining that people are being lied to rather than acknowledging that people are getting successfully lied to?

[Kowani]

Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill has now passed the House

final count to come

FINAL COUNT: 228-206

R!Yes

Katko
Bacon
Van Drew
Young
Upton
Kinzinger
Gonzales
Reed
Smith
Garbarino
Malliatokis
Fitzpatrick

D!No

Bush
Omar
Bowman
Tlaib
Ocasio-Cortez
Pressley