American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Nationalist Northumbria]

lmao the amazon-funded recall campaign against Kshama Sawant lost

Huh, I didn't even know that was going on.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

If George Washington was alive today and ran for president as a Republican, the Democrats would attack him for being a slaveowner. If he ran for president as a Democrat, the Republicans would do the same.

In addition, if Abraham Lincoln ran for president today, the Democrats would call him a racist.

[The New California Republic]

If George Washington was alive today and ran for president as a Republican, the Democrats would attack him for being a slaveowner. If he ran for president as a Democrat, the Republicans would do the same.

In addition, if Abraham Lincoln ran for president today, the Democrats would call him a racist.

That says absolutely nothing really, as if Abraham Lincoln existed nowadays his outlook would likely be very different to what it was in his time, being more contemporary, just like if me or you existed back in that time then our views would likely be a reflection of the views of the time.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

In addition, if Abraham Lincoln ran for president today, the Democrats would call him a racist.

That says absolutely nothing really, as if Abraham Lincoln existed nowadays his outlook would likely be very different to what it was in his time, being more contemporary, just like if me or you existed back in that time then our views would likely be a reflection of the views of the time.

But if he was brought forward in time, or still alive today, they would call him a racist. Also, I am pretty sure that would not be the case for me.

[Farnhamia]

That says absolutely nothing really, as if Abraham Lincoln existed nowadays his outlook would likely be very different to what it was in his time, being more contemporary, just like if me or you existed back in that time then our views would likely be a reflection of the views of the time.

But if he was brought forward in time, or still alive today, they would call him a racist. Also, I am pretty sure that would not be the case for me.

If he were brought forward in time, I hope he would change his views after taking in the US as it is now. One thing I feel certain, if Abraham Lincoln were brought forward in time, he would not be a Republican.

[Spirit of Hope]

That says absolutely nothing really, as if Abraham Lincoln existed nowadays his outlook would likely be very different to what it was in his time, being more contemporary, just like if me or you existed back in that time then our views would likely be a reflection of the views of the time.

But if he was brought forward in time, or still alive today, they would call him a racist. Also, I am pretty sure that would not be the case for me.

If we sent you back in time 150 years you would have all kinds of attitudes that would make you stand out from people of the time and probably make you an outcast.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

But if he was brought forward in time, or still alive today, they would call him a racist. Also, I am pretty sure that would not be the case for me.

If he were brought forward in time, I hope he would change his views after taking in the US as it is now. One thing I feel certain, if Abraham Lincoln were brought forward in time, he would not be a Republican.

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

[Spirit of Hope]

If he were brought forward in time, I hope he would change his views after taking in the US as it is now. One thing I feel certain, if Abraham Lincoln were brought forward in time, he would not be a Republican.

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

The overall political landscape is so different from the 1860's US politics it is very difficult to say what party Lincoln would belong to today. That said the modern Republican party is very different from his Republican party, as should be obvious from where there major support comes from. (Then North East industrial states, Now Southern and Mid Western States).

[The New California Republic]

That says absolutely nothing really, as if Abraham Lincoln existed nowadays his outlook would likely be very different to what it was in his time, being more contemporary, just like if me or you existed back in that time then our views would likely be a reflection of the views of the time.

But if he was brought forward in time, or still alive today, they would call him a racist.

If he was brought forward to our time and people tried to bizarrely hold him to account for holding those views in our time with no chance to adjust, then that wouldn't exactly be fair, would it? In all likelihood his views would adjust. So, again, the point you are trying to make here falls very flat.

[Great Algerstonia]

TikToker said he wrote code to flood Kellogg with bogus job applications after the company announced it would permanently replace striking workers

Reddit users spam Kellogg job portal amid worker strike
Now that sounds like some good Direct Action.

Also right now if you Google 'kelloggs' the first result is 'kelloggs strike'. Glorious.

I did my part!

[The Jamesian Republic]

If he were brought forward in time, I hope he would change his views after taking in the US as it is now. One thing I feel certain, if Abraham Lincoln were brought forward in time, he would not be a Republican.

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

He would be ashamed of both parties if he saw them today.

[Shrillland]

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

He would be ashamed of both parties if he saw them today.

Most likely. He'd see us repeating the errors of his time with no real way to stop the impending clash. Though, like WRA, I think that clash will be a more low-level conflict a la The Troubles, the Years of Lead, or the latter decades of La Violencia myself.

[Spirit of Hope]

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

He would be ashamed of both parties if he saw them today.

I doubt that, I mean he literally was the president during the American Civil War, where one party had split between the slave owning secessionists and those who wanted to just let the slave owning secessionists go.

[The Jamesian Republic]

He would be ashamed of both parties if he saw them today.

Most likely. He'd see us repeating the errors of his time with no real way to stop the impending clash. Though, like WRA, I think that clash will be a more low-level conflict a la The Troubles, the Years of Lead, or the latter decades of La Violencia myself.

As much as it pains me to say this but I believe that would happen too. Though I do wonder if that is better than a civil war. If this clash is inevitable would the Troubles be better than another civil war. At least with the troubles the nation isn’t being torn into pieces. But the thing about the troubles is that they were attacks that occurred sporadically throughout the decades. To me knowing that a terrorist incident conducted by your fellow citizens is an unnerving thought.

[Shrillland]

Most likely. He'd see us repeating the errors of his time with no real way to stop the impending clash. Though, like WRA, I think that clash will be a more low-level conflict a la The Troubles, the Years of Lead, or the latter decades of La Violencia myself.

As much as it pains me to say this but I believe that would happen too. Though I do wonder if that is better than a civil war.

Neither are good by any means. Given the geopolitical consequences of a full-fledged conflict, however, and the fact that civil war in this day and age means millions raped and massacred for no fault besides personal beliefs, I know which one I would rather take my chances with.

[The Jamesian Republic]

As much as it pains me to say this but I believe that would happen too. Though I do wonder if that is better than a civil war.

Neither are good by any means. Given the geopolitical consequences of a full-fledged conflict, however, and the fact that civil war in this day and age means millions raped and massacred for no fault besides personal beliefs, I know which one I would rather take my chances with.

What about the fact that a group of people will commit terrorist acts and you could possibly live near them and it could happen at any time. Isn’t that what happened during The Troubles.

[Umeria]

And as I said, the people who didn't like Tim Kaine because he was a moderate would've found any excuse for disliking her VP choice regardless. All picking a progressive VP would've done would have been to make them turn against the candidate picked.

I know it's convenient to think of progressives as a hivemind where everyone behaves identically, but the truth is that a progressive VP would have won over many progressive voters and also left many progressive voters unconvinced.

No, because the Democrats voting for Stein were disaffected Sanders supporters who he (perhaps intentionally, with an eye to running in 2020) failed to win over to Hillary. The Republicans who defected to the Libertarians didn't have some figure of their movement who lost the Republican primary.

Why do you need to lose a primary to be a figure that could have convinced voters who align with you to fall in line? As you point out later in your post, Obama is partially responsible for not convincing his supporters to vote for Hillary, and he didn't lose a primary. So in any hypothetical where the progressive movement listens to Sanders (who, again, campaigned for Clinton harder than Clinton did), you also have to account for Ron Paul or a similar figure getting the libertarian movement to fall in line behind Trump. And when you account for that, you see that the corralling of these movements would have helped Trump more than Clinton.

Bernie isn't a Democrat, so that rule never applied to him anyway.

So either you don't believe in lesser evil voting (in which case you shouldn't expect progressives to believe in it either), or you think Bernie is worse than Trump. I really hope it's not the latter.

Obama deserves a lot of blame, yes, as I've already said. And you are right in that he should've done a lot more to ensure the people who voted for him voted for Hillary. But he didn't.

Good, we agree here.

[Celritannia]

If he were brought forward in time, I hope he would change his views after taking in the US as it is now. One thing I feel certain, if Abraham Lincoln were brought forward in time, he would not be a Republican.

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

Because the Southern ideology is now part of the Republican Party.

Prior to the 1930s, the Republican party was for the urban workers, and the democrats were for the rural elite.

However, that changed over the course of several decades, until we have had somewhat of an ideological swap between the 2 parties.

This is also why the Republican Party colour is red and the Democrats are blue.

[Shrillland]

Neither are good by any means. Given the geopolitical consequences of a full-fledged conflict, however, and the fact that civil war in this day and age means millions raped and massacred for no fault besides personal beliefs, I know which one I would rather take my chances with.

What about the fact that a group of people will commit terrorist acts and you could possibly live near them. Isn’t that what happened during The Troubles.

Yes, but even then, the odds of survival are better than if a full political cleansing took place, which I would be in serious danger of living in a rural red community.

[Great Algerstonia]

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

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This is also why the Republican Party colour is red and the Democrats are blue.

Actually, it used to switch from red and blue on the electoral maps every election until the 2000 election when Americans got used to Republican Red and Democrat Blue when the news would show the electoral maps during the recount all the time. It stayed that way ever since to avoid confusing Americans.

[Skelly Man Dan]

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

Because the Southern ideology is now part of the Republican Party.

Prior to the 1930s, the Republican party was for the urban workers, and the democrats were for the rural elite.

However, that changed over the course of several decades, until we have had somewhat of an ideological swap between the 2 parties.

This is also why the Republican Party colour is red and the Democrats are blue.

Yeah, I still don't get the big-brain take that measuring parties by their actions and values matters less than the fact that Lincoln had an (R) next to his name 160 years ago.

Tbf, there's a lot of time between him and us, but it's not as if modern Republicans aren't trying their best to get even someone of his time to balk at their actions.

[Autumn Wind]

As much as it pains me to say this but I believe that would happen too. Though I do wonder if that is better than a civil war.

Neither are good by any means. Given the geopolitical consequences of a full-fledged conflict, however, and the fact that civil war in this day and age means millions raped and massacred for no fault besides personal beliefs…

This. A modern equivalent of the Civil War would likely lead to societal collapse. Not only Millions killed or raped, but tens of millions dying of starvation and disease as supply lines, potable water, and electricity are cut off for the majority of the population.

No thank you.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Yes he would be a Republican. How wouldn't he?

Because the Southern ideology is now part of the Republican Party.

Prior to the 1930s, the Republican party was for the urban workers, and the democrats were for the rural elite.

However, that changed over the course of several decades, until we have had somewhat of an ideological swap between the 2 parties.

This is also why the Republican Party colour is red and the Democrats are blue.

Uh, none of that is true.

[The Jamesian Republic]

What about the fact that a group of people will commit terrorist acts and you could possibly live near them. Isn’t that what happened during The Troubles.

Yes, but even then, the odds of survival are better than if a full political cleansing took place, which I would be in serious danger of living in a rural red community.

I would be in danger as well, I too live in a rural community that is red in Alabama.

Any scenario whether they be American Civil War II or the American Troubles are unnerving and frightening thoughts that pierce the core of any American. Whether they are Republican Democrat White Black Religious Atheist Straight LGBT Men Women or Children. We cannot, we must not let this happen. We cannot shatter our nation into various bickering ideologies We cannot let the people of our nation cower in fear over the thought that there neighbors could plotting an attack in their community for a faceless ideology. This is the duty of Americans and we must answer this call to action.

[Necroghastia]

Because the Southern ideology is now part of the Republican Party.

Prior to the 1930s, the Republican party was for the urban workers, and the democrats were for the rural elite.

However, that changed over the course of several decades, until we have had somewhat of an ideological swap between the 2 parties.

This is also why the Republican Party colour is red and the Democrats are blue.

Uh, none of that is true.

Are you claiming this never happened?