American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Maricarland]

Potentially. The whole basis of Roe is that the 4th Amendment guarantees such a right, that the right against unreasonable searches and seizures is, by definition, a right to privacy. To eliminate that precedent is to destroy the entire concept of a right to privacy since it was only the second case to guarantee such a right. Nearly all cases involving privacy since then have used Roe as a foundation. To remove that foundation puts the entire concept of privacy rights in jeopardy unless they adhere strictly to the idea of unreasonable search or seizure.

So to overturn Roe v Wade would potentially put the entire 4th amendment in jeopardy?

Not the entire amendment, but a lot of rights that stem from the 4th amendment among other amendments like the 9th and 14th. The Supreme Court basically said that we have a constitutional right to privacy when the context of several different amendments were placed together. Among those privacy rights include bodily privacy, and from that the Supreme Court ruled that people have a constitutional right to not be blocked from having an abortion. It is the same basis that underlies the idea that the government must stay out the bedroom, and the protection of same-sex marriage, and the blocking of enforcing anti-sodomy laws, and so on... Overturning Roe v. Wade brings into question these privacy rights and opens up the door for other cases to be brought forth that may strip away other rights as well.

[The Jamesian Republic]

2015 and no seatbelts? Unless this is a bus there is something wrong with the car.

They were removed.

May I ask why?

[American Salvation]

They were removed.

May I ask why?

To fit a roll cage.

[Necroghastia]

No, and it's hardly larping when that's actually what you're doing.

LARPing means doing it irl lol

I'm a hypocrite, i've already admitted this.

So much for being beast mode.

Everyone you don't like is a criminal? Everyone?

Yes, largely.

What crimes have queer people committed?

anyone who has to say they're a beast or an ubermensch aint it kiddo

I am it.

sure champ
i'll let you get back to that safe space from having to hear about men with uteri now

I have never ever been sick, but in this case, my argument is that covid will affect me mildly, as it does with most people of my age.

No, my argument is that covid will perhaps effect me mildly or not at all, going off of the numbers.

Source?

My source is the numbers.

The numbers where? Shown by whom?

also i notice you had no """"witty"""" comeback to the one about accepting queer kids lmao

I couldn't be witty about it. I stand by what i say, but there's no way to be witty about it.

Not being witty about it hasn't stopped you before.

[Untecna]

Everyone you don't like is a criminal? Everyone?

Yes, largely.

What crimes have queer people committed?

I mean, I certainly haven't committed any crimes, ever.

[Kowani]

lmao the amazon-funded recall campaign against Kshama Sawant lost

[Hemakral]

anyone who has to say they're a beast or an ubermensch aint it kiddo

I am it.

Imagine being an irl beefmonster who spends their time on internet forums instead of fighting wolves in the siberian wilderness
wasted potential, I say

[The Jamesian Republic]

May I ask why?

To fit a roll cage.

You couldn’t put them back in?

[American Salvation]

LARPing means doing it irl lol

Yes, but what am i supposed to me "roleplaying" as?

So much for being beast mode.

Beast mode sometimes means being hypocritical.

I, for example, have shouted at non-employees for parking in employee-only spots at my work place.

But then i will then park my own car in spots reserved for management personnel.

Imagine being an irl beefmonster who spends their time on internet forums instead of fighting wolves in the siberian wilderness
wasted potential, I say

Maybe.

You couldn’t put them back in?

I forgot.

[The Jamesian Republic]

LARPing means doing it irl lol

Yes, but what am i supposed to me "roleplaying" as?

So much for being beast mode.

Beast mode sometimes means being hypocritical.

I, for example, have shouted at non-employees for parking in employee-only spots at my work place.

But then i will then park my own car in spots reserved for management personnel.

Imagine being an irl beefmonster who spends their time on internet forums instead of fighting wolves in the siberian wilderness
wasted potential, I say

Maybe.

You couldn’t put them back in?

I forgot.

You probably should if don’t want to face legal issues. But that’s not the point of this thread.

[Untecna]

LARPing means doing it irl lol

Yes, but what am i supposed to me "roleplaying" as?

So much for being beast mode.

Beast mode sometimes means being hypocritical.

I, for example, have shouted at non-employees for parking in employee-only spots at my work place.

But then i will then park my own car in spots reserved for management personnel.

Imagine being an irl beefmonster who spends their time on internet forums instead of fighting wolves in the siberian wilderness
wasted potential, I say

Maybe.

You couldn’t put them back in?

I forgot.

I have yet to learn why you don't want queer people out and about. Ah, maybe someday...

[American Salvation]

I have yet to learn why you don't want queer people out and about. Ah, maybe someday...

What? What does that mean?

[Genivaria]

TikToker said he wrote code to flood Kellogg with bogus job applications after the company announced it would permanently replace striking workers

Reddit users spam Kellogg job portal amid worker strike
Now that sounds like some good Direct Action.

Also right now if you Google 'kelloggs' the first result is 'kelloggs strike'. Glorious.

[American Legionaries]

May I ask why?

To fit a roll cage.

Seems a bit counterproductive.

[The Jamesian Republic]

I have yet to learn why you don't want queer people out and about. Ah, maybe someday...

What? What does that mean?

Someday you will tell us why you don’t want queer people out and about.

[Hemakral]

lmao the amazon-funded recall campaign against Kshama Sawant lost

Cool, glad this sham isn't going to have any really effects.

Side note:
googling Sawant immediately brings up hit pieces against her
Thanks, corporate overlords

[American Salvation]

To fit a roll cage.

Seems a bit counterproductive.

I was forgetful.

Someday you will tell us why you don’t want queer people out and about.

I don't know what you're talking about.

[The Jamesian Republic]

TikToker said he wrote code to flood Kellogg with bogus job applications after the company announced it would permanently replace striking workers

Reddit users spam Kellogg job portal amid worker strike
Now that sounds like some good Direct Action.

Also right now if you Google 'kelloggs' the first result is 'kelloggs strike'. Glorious.

The power of the workers at work.

[Vassenor]

No, my argument is that covid will perhaps effect me mildly or not at all, going off of the numbers.


My source is the numbers.

The numbers where? Shown by whom?

The Numbers, Mason. What do they mean?

[American Legionaries]

Seems a bit counterproductive.

I was forgetful.

Someday you will tell us why you don’t want queer people out and about.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Thanks to this rollcage, if I roll my vehicle the ground won't come to meet my head, but due to the lack of a seatbelt, my head will fall and meet the ground anyway.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Seems a bit counterproductive.

I was forgetful.

Someday you will tell us why you don’t want queer people out and about.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Neither do I. I was just reposting what Unteca said.

[Untecna]

I have yet to learn why you don't want queer people out and about. Ah, maybe someday...

What? What does that mean?

You referred to queer people earlier, and continuing to refer to them you said "people I don't like should be imprisoned" on some line or another.

[Cameroi]

not all productivity is good, and an ounce of consideration (of the universal and or mutual kind) is worth more then a mega ton of it.

and people who satisfy their sexual needs non-fertilely, should be rewarded and celebrated for not adding to population,
which is the driver of all the problems with environment.

its just totally nutso, that any belief would tell people to hate logic, or anything that would level out population instead of increasing it,
even level it out at a much lower level then presently.

nature has given us this pandemic to help people get their heads out of the sand. it is the price of crowding out the habitats of diversity of life.

we need to make narcissism a disqualifier for candidacy, for any elected office with more authority then dog catcher, if small d democracy,
or consent of the governed, is something we want to preserve, and not see it destroyed
by idiots who think they have something to gain by tyrannical fascism and don't know nor care what it would cost the rest of us.

[Maricarland]

not all productivity is good, and an ounce of consideration (of the universal and or mutual kind) is worth more then a mega ton of it.

and people who satisfy their sexual needs non-fertilely, should be rewarded and celebrated for not adding to population,
which is the driver of all the problems with environment.

its just totally nutso, that any belief would tell people to hate logic, or anything that would level out population instead of increasing it,
even level it out at a much lower level then presently.

nature has given us this pandemic to help people get their heads out of the sand. it is the price of crowding out the habitats of diversity of life.

we need to make narcissism a disqualifier for candidacy, for any elected office with more authority then dog catcher, if small d democracy,
or consent of the governed, is something we want to preserve, and not see it destroyed
by idiots who think they have something to gain by tyrannical fascism and don't know nor care what it would cost the rest of us.

You are right that not all production is good.

However, Humans are not overpopulated.

Overpopulation is not the cause of environmental degradation, over consumption, the profit motive, and the philosophy of endless economic growth on a finite planet, are the causes of environmental degradation. (P.S. I have no plans to have any children, and I actually see the freedom not to have children being embraced by the younger generation as a positive thing.)

Nature did not have any motivation or intentionality when the novel coronavirus emerged, but you are right that crowding out wild habitats and ecosystems was a major contributing factor to the emergence of Covid-19 and it will continue to be a contributing factor to other new pathogens and pandemics.

I agree that narcissists in general make for very poor rulers (a kakistocracy), but the only way I see to stop them is for the population to be well informed, have a healthy and functioning democracy, and be attached to reality.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

No VP wasn't going to be controversial. Any progressive - and honestly I have a hard time actually describing Sanders supporters as progressives per se, given that most of them seemed to be supporting him out of material concerns (college) or just a dislike of the Democratic establishment - who agreed to be Hillary's VP would've been instantly called a traitor by a good number of Sanders supporters.

This is not a binary "progressives vote for you" versus "progressives don't vote for you". Picking a progressive VP would have gotten her more support from progressives, and moderate support wouldn't change much as Hillary herself is a moderate. Of course there are some progressives who would never vote Democrat, but that's not who we're talking about.

It's a fact that if Bernie's supporters had voted for her, she would've won.

Green votes

Putting aside the fact that not every Green voter supported Sanders, this analysis only works if you keep every other variable constant. What about Libertarian voters? Gary Johnson got more votes than Jill Stein in all three of those states. If you give all the Green votes to Clinton, you also have to give all the Libertarian votes to Trump, which means he wins by an even larger margin.

Hillary's support was of an entirely different nature to Bernie's support.

You didn't answer my question. If it's okay for Hillary to not support "candidates who would ultimately spell disaster for Democrats", can I do the same? Am I free from the vote blue no matter who rule?

... and? I'm really not getting your point.

My point was that the people who voted for Obama in 2012 and then Trump are Obama supporters who didn't back Clinton, and therefore Obama deserves as much of the blame under your analysis as Sanders.

And as I said, the people who didn't like Tim Kaine because he was a moderate would've found any excuse for disliking her VP choice regardless. All picking a progressive VP would've done would have been to make them turn against the candidate picked.

No, because the Democrats voting for Stein were disaffected Sanders supporters who he (perhaps intentionally, with an eye to running in 2020) failed to win over to Hillary. The Republicans who defected to the Libertarians didn't have some figure of their movement who lost the Republican primary.

Bernie isn't a Democrat, so that rule never applied to him anyway.

Obama deserves a lot of blame, yes, as I've already said. And you are right in that he should've done a lot more to ensure the people who voted for him voted for Hillary. But he didn't.