American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Deblar]

Anyone who participated in any way is guilty of inciting an insurrection.

I'd say the same about the BLM/Antifa rioters.

Whilst they did spend most of the time looting stores, burning police cars and burning down restaurants, they also attacked some federal buildings too. That could probably fall under the term "insurrection".

I wouldn’t call that stuff an insurrection due to the fact that it was mostly protest and not actively attempting to usurp the government. January 6th was an attempt to overturn a free and fair election in favor of the man who lost, which would qualify as an insurrection.

Presumably they meant that in the "no one is born evil" sense.

It didn't sound like that. It sounded like he was saying all humans are equal.

Wait, so all humans aren’t equal anymore? When did that happen?

A lot of people i know are very amoral people, whereas i am of good moral character.

Says the guy who has confessed to driving without a license, among other things, on the internet

[American Salvation]

Ergo, the coup was bad.

Many people would have cheered on this coup.

[Kowani]

British High Court rules Julian Assange can be extradited to US

[Dreria]

British High Court rules Julian Assange can be extradited to US

WAOW hahahaha putin must be so mad!!!!

[Maricarland]

it's a victory in the sense that people can still sue

a pyrrhic one in that judicial review will be closed off very shortly, and state laws copying texas' own will be in line for passage in short order

i must admire the cleverness in gaming procedurals, if nothing else -- gutting roe without overturning it

At this point, the only real chance for protecting the abortion rights of people with uteruses is to codify those rights into federal law.

If the Supreme Court did however overturn Roe v. Wade, they would be bringing into question the implied right to privacy and other rights that stem from that right to privacy, which could lead eventually to the overturning of Obergefell v. Hodges (which extending the right to marriage to same-sex couples), as well as pave the way for anti-sodomy laws and so on... to no longer being considered unconstitutional.

[American Salvation]

Wait, so all humans aren’t equal anymore? When did that happen?

He said all humans are equally good. I essentially said that some are better than others.

Says the guy who has confessed to driving without a license, among other things, on the internet

Hm, yes. Driving without a license. The pinnacle of evil.

British High Court rules Julian Assange can be extradited to US

Very evil behavior from the British High Court.

[Deblar]

Ergo, the coup was bad.

Many people would have cheered on this coup.

Some people cheered on the Nazi’s taking control of Germany in 1933. Your point?

[Lady Victory]

Many people would have cheered on this coup.

Some people cheered on the Nazi’s taking control of Germany in 1933. Your point?

Let's take this logic full circle: some people cheered when Trump lost in 2020.

[Diahon]

"people with uteruses"

again, there's nothing wrong with saying "woman" or "female"

unless trans women can actually have the necessary reproductive system and give birth through it, strictly one half of humanity can conceive

[Maricarland]

"people with uteruses"

again, there's nothing wrong with saying "woman" or "female"

unless trans women can actually have the necessary reproductive system and give birth through it, strictly one half of humanity can conceive

People who are not women who may have uteruses include:

* Transmen
* Non-binary people
* Intersex people
* (maybe in the future) Transwomen or Cismen who have had a uterus transplant

[Lady Victory]

"people with uteruses"

again, there's nothing wrong with saying "woman" or "female"

unless trans women can actually have the necessary reproductive system and give birth through it, strictly one half of humanity can conceive

Transmen do exist you know.

[-Astoria-]

Very evil behavior from the British High Court.

Well, America promised that he wouldn't end up in a supermax, so it's all good. /s

[Umeria]

British High Court rules Julian Assange can be extradited to US

WAOW hahahaha putin must be so mad!!!!

This doesn't have anything to do with Russia. He was arrested for exposing war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Diahon]

"people with uteruses"

again, there's nothing wrong with saying "woman" or "female"

unless trans women can actually have the necessary reproductive system and give birth through it, strictly one half of humanity can conceive

Transmen do exist you know.

they have uteruses, yes

they are also biologically female

[Maricarland]

Transmen do exist you know.

they have uteruses, yes

they are also biologically female

If they have medically transitioned, they are actually biologically intersex.

Also, why the big deal over using the terminology "people with uteruses" instead of the terminology women (which is flat-out wrong, some non-women have a uterus) or female?

[Diahon]

"people with uteruses"

again, there's nothing wrong with saying "woman" or "female"

unless trans women can actually have the necessary reproductive system and give birth through it, strictly one half of humanity can conceive

People who are not women who may have uteruses include:

* Transmen
* Non-binary people
* Intersex people
* (maybe in the future) Transwomen or Cismen who have had a uterus transplant

so basically women, maybe men in the future, and some intersex with fully functioning uteruses

not saying anything about their sexuality or gender, mind -- i'm talking about their capacity for reproduction

[Diahon]

they have uteruses, yes

they are also biologically female

If they have medically transitioned, they are actually biologically intersex.

Also, why the big deal over using the terminology "people with uteruses" instead of the terminology women (which is flat-out wrong, some non-women have a uterus) or female?

fair enough

i'm haggling over terms and definitions for the same reason the lgbtqwerty alphabet soup does -- you want precision, i do too, only i'm not convinced "people with uteruses" is it, if their uteruses are otherwise nonfunctional

[Maricarland]

People who are not women who may have uteruses include:

* Transmen
* Non-binary people
* Intersex people
* (maybe in the future) Transwomen or Cismen who have had a uterus transplant

so basically women, maybe men in the future, and some intersex with fully functioning uteruses

not saying anything about their sexuality or gender, mind -- i'm talking about their capacity for reproduction

Transmen are not women, they are men, and biologically they may be female or intersex (if they have only socially transitioned), but if they have medically transitioned (hormone treatment or surgically) then they are biologically intersex.

Non-binary people are not women, they are non-binary people, and if a non-binary person or intersex person has a functioning uterus that does make them women.

[Kowani]

Biden orders U.S. to stop financing carbon-intense fossil fuel projects abroad

The Biden administration has ordered U.S. government agencies to immediately stop financing carbon-intensive fossil fuel projects overseas and prioritize international collaborations to deploy clean energy technology, according to U.S. diplomatic cables.

The cables, seen by Reuters, say U.S. government engagements should reflect the goals set in an executive order issued at the start of the year aimed at ending American financial support of coal and carbon-intensive energy projects overseas.

"The goal of the policy described below is to ensure that the vast majority of U.S. international energy engagements promote clean energy, advance innovative technologies, boost U.S. cleantech competitiveness, and support net-zero transitions, except in rare cases where there are compelling national security, geostrategic, or development/energy access benefits and no viable lower carbon alternatives accomplish the same goals," a cable said.

The policy defines "carbon-intensive” international energy engagements as projects whose greenhouse gas intensity is above a threshold lifecycle value of 250 grams of carbon dioxide per kilowatt hour and includes coal, gas or oil.

The policy bans any U.S. government financing of overseas coal projects that do not capture or only partially capture carbon emissions, allowing federal agencies to engage on coal generation only if the project demonstrates full emissions capture or is part of an accelerated phaseout. It exempts carbon-intensive projects for two reasons: they are deemed to be needed for national security or geostrategic reasons or they are crucial to deliver energy access to vulnerable areas.

The policy formalizes the goals set by the administration in earlier executive orders and policy guidances and reiterated in multilateral forums such as the G7 meeting in France in August and U.N. climate summit in Scotland in the fall.

Environmental groups said the policy, which they have long advocated for, is a step in the right direction but creates loopholes that could undermine its goals.

“This policy is full of exemptions and loopholes that lack clarity, and could render these restrictions on fossil fuel financing completely meaningless," said Kate DeAngelis, a climate finance expert at Friends of the Earth.

[Maricarland]

If they have medically transitioned, they are actually biologically intersex.

Also, why the big deal over using the terminology "people with uteruses" instead of the terminology women (which is flat-out wrong, some non-women have a uterus) or female?

fair enough

i'm haggling over terms and definitions for the same reason the lgbtqwerty alphabet soup does -- you want precision, i do too, only i'm not convinced "people with uteruses" is it, if their uteruses are otherwise nonfunctional

That is a good point, not everyone with a uterus is able to get pregnant.

So maybe the term should be "people able to become pregnant?"

[American Salvation]

That is a good point, not everyone with a uterus is able to get pregnant.

So maybe the term should be "people able to become pregnant?"

Put this stuff in the trans discussion thread.

I don't want to hear about it here.

[Shrillland]

That is a good point, not everyone with a uterus is able to get pregnant.

So maybe the term should be "people able to become pregnant?"

Put this stuff in the trans discussion thread.

I don't want to hear about it here.

Too bad. It's a general point about SCOTUS' incoming precedents regarding the destruction of the right to privacy, so a tangential discussion can go here.

[Maricarland]

That is a good point, not everyone with a uterus is able to get pregnant.

So maybe the term should be "people able to become pregnant?"

Put this stuff in the trans discussion thread.

I don't want to hear about it here.

If a discussion on transgender issues is relevant to American politics, I see no reason to exclude it from a forum on American politics. It was actually brought up as a tangent to the abortion discussion, where I made the claim that the only realistic way to protect the abortion rights of "people with uteruses" now is to codify these abortion rights into federal law. The debate over my terminology then emerged when another poster took issue with that term.

[American Salvation]

Too bad. It's a general point about SCOTUS' incoming precedents regarding the destruction of the right to privacy, so a tangential discussion can go here.

No, it's a discussion about who qualifies as a woman, so it goes in the trans thread.

[Antipatros]

Too bad. It's a general point about SCOTUS' incoming precedents regarding the destruction of the right to privacy, so a tangential discussion can go here.

No, it's a discussion about who qualifies as a woman, so it goes in the trans thread.

Maybe make a report in moderation if you feel that it's a threadjack.