American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Skelly Man Dan]

Does that quote also apply to voters who are prevented or discouraged from voting?

No

Then if we’re taking the “discouraged” part seriously, there’s some serious implications about voter apathy, especially when interpreted through a socio-economic lens.

Sure it’s not as simple as cases making voter registration impossible or extremely difficult, but “don’t vote, don’t whine” still comes off as extremely simplistic

[San Lumen]

No

Then if we’re taking the “discouraged” part seriously, there’s some serious implications about voter apathy, especially when interpreted through a socio-economic lens.

Sure it’s not as simple as cases making voter registration impossible or extremely difficult, but “don’t vote, don’t whine” still comes off as extremely simplistic

Apathy isn’t an excuse. Saying I wasn’t inspired by candidates is a recent thing. If the 1896 and 1948 elections were held today Bryan and Dewey would have won. Both of which would have been a bad thing for the country.

[Kerwa]

Then if we’re taking the “discouraged” part seriously, there’s some serious implications about voter apathy, especially when interpreted through a socio-economic lens.

Sure it’s not as simple as cases making voter registration impossible or extremely difficult, but “don’t vote, don’t whine” still comes off as extremely simplistic

Apathy isn’t an excuse. Saying I wasn’t inspired by candidates is a recent thing. If the 1896 and 1948 elections were held today Bryan and Dewey would have won. Both of which would have been a bad thing for the country.

Truman won because of apathy though.

[Galactic Transylvania]

Then if we’re taking the “discouraged” part seriously, there’s some serious implications about voter apathy, especially when interpreted through a socio-economic lens.

Sure it’s not as simple as cases making voter registration impossible or extremely difficult, but “don’t vote, don’t whine” still comes off as extremely simplistic

Apathy isn’t an excuse. Saying I wasn’t inspired by candidates is a recent thing. If the 1896 and 1948 elections were held today Bryan and Dewey would have won. Both of which would have been a bad thing for the country.

I think he's talking about the people in urban places that have to wait 10 hours to vote because there's only 2 polling stations in a city of 6 million.

[San Lumen]

Apathy isn’t an excuse. Saying I wasn’t inspired by candidates is a recent thing. If the 1896 and 1948 elections were held today Bryan and Dewey would have won. Both of which would have been a bad thing for the country.

Truman won because of apathy though.

No he didn’t. Dewey spoke in vague platitudes and was very unclear on what he’d do as president.

[American Legionaries]

Unfortunately. If someone doesn’t vote they have no right to complain.

Does that quote also apply to voters who are prevented or discouraged from voting?

It doesn't apply to anyone because it's just silliness.

[Kowani]

Reconciliation, infrastructure votes being delayed by moderates who want a CBO score

[San Lumen]

Apathy isn’t an excuse. Saying I wasn’t inspired by candidates is a recent thing. If the 1896 and 1948 elections were held today Bryan and Dewey would have won. Both of which would have been a bad thing for the country.

I think he's talking about the people in urban places that have to wait 10 hours to vote because there's only 2 polling stations in a city of 6 million.

No I wasn’t referring to them. It’s ridiculous to have to wait that long to vote.

[Vassenor]

Reconciliation, infrastructure votes being delayed by moderates who want a CBO score

Of course. Can't have the government doing things the GOP doesn't like; that wouldn't be bipartisan.

[Kilobugya]

Reconciliation, infrastructure votes being delayed by moderates who want a CBO score

The "moderates" seem really determined to sink the whole agenda and ensure the GOP will dominate politics for a decade... it's really scary to witness.

[Vassenor]

Reconciliation, infrastructure votes being delayed by moderates who want a CBO score

The "moderates" seem really determined to sink the whole agenda and ensure the GOP will dominate politics for a decade... it's really scary to witness.

But that's what bipartisanship is - doing whatever the GOP wants.

[Kowani]

Reconciliation, infrastructure votes being delayed by moderates who want a CBO score

One moderate (Carolyn Bordeaux of Georgia) has now flipped.)

1 to go.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Reconciliation, infrastructure votes being delayed by moderates who want a CBO score

What’s a CBO score?

[Ispravlennaja Tsekovija]

Reconciliation, infrastructure votes being delayed by moderates who want a CBO score

What’s a CBO score?

its in the second damn paragraph:

a formal Congressional Budget Office estimate of the measure's deficit impact and total price tag

[Kerwa]

Truman won because of apathy though.

No he didn’t. Dewey spoke in vague platitudes and was very unclear on what he’d do as president.

Sure he did. Dewey was declared the winner before the polls closed so people stopped voting for him.hence the picture of Truman with the headline.

I don’t know why you think a pro Jim Crow politician as president is such a good thing anyway.

[The Jamesian Republic]

No he didn’t. Dewey spoke in vague platitudes and was very unclear on what he’d do as president.

Sure he did. Dewey was declared the winner before the polls closed so people stopped voting for him.hence the picture of Truman with the headline.

I don’t know why you think a pro Jim Crow politician as president is such a good thing anyway.

It would make an interesting alternate history scenario. If you look at the book cover for Alternate Presidents you will see. Anyway this is getting off topic.

[San Lumen]

No he didn’t. Dewey spoke in vague platitudes and was very unclear on what he’d do as president.

Sure he did. Dewey was declared the winner before the polls closed so people stopped voting for him.hence the picture of Truman with the headline.

I don’t know why you think a pro Jim Crow politician as president is such a good thing anyway.

No he was not. Many papers were so sure Dewey would win they didn’t bother printing another headline.

[Kerwa]

No he was not. Many papers were so sure Dewey would win they didn’t bother printing another headline.

Yeah ‘cos that was the conventional wisdom that Dewey would win so people didn’t bother to vote for him. (Voting being a pain in the ass).

This was also 1948 before the 1965 voting rights act. Had Democrats not massively suppressed the Black vote which was largely republican back then Dewey definitely would have won. But I suppose voter suppression doesn’t matter if it helps Democrats.

[Senkaku]

Reconciliation, infrastructure votes being delayed by moderates who want a CBO score

Within 5 years I predict someone is going to try and tell me that it was actually progressives who did this when they obstructed the bills moderates had tried to compromise on

[San Lumen]

No he was not. Many papers were so sure Dewey would win they didn’t bother printing another headline.

Yeah ‘cos that was the conventional wisdom that Dewey would win so people didn’t bother to vote for him. (Voting being a pain in the ass).

This was also 1948 before the 1965 voting rights act. Had Democrats not massively suppressed the Black vote which was largely republican back then Dewey definitely would have won. But I suppose voter suppression doesn’t matter if it helps Democrats.

Not true. The last Republican to win the black vote was Hoover

Polling also wasn’t like what it is now.

[Kowani]

We got a programming change, and a big vote
House to vote on BIF and a rule for consideration of BBB

Currently debating Rule on BBB

[The V I C]

Then if we’re taking the “discouraged” part seriously, there’s some serious implications about voter apathy, especially when interpreted through a socio-economic lens.

Sure it’s not as simple as cases making voter registration impossible or extremely difficult, but “don’t vote, don’t whine” still comes off as extremely simplistic

Apathy isn’t an excuse. Saying I wasn’t inspired by candidates is a recent thing. If the 1896 and 1948 elections were held today Bryan and Dewey would have won. Both of which would have been a bad thing for the country.

You don't know that for certain. And you have no idea how their presidential careers would affect the US in the long term. As to your claim that "everyone has to vote," I want you to explain to me, after Biden's cowardly response to the war in Israel in which Israel blew up Palestinian civilians, attacked hospitals and leveled news buildings, why I should hypothetically vote for Biden over trump and not just vote third party or stay home. This is hypothetical because I'm not a US citizen, but if I could, I still wouldn't vote for anyone who's a friend of the Israeli state. And that is almost all American politicians, who are also friends of capitalism, foreign wars and the police state.

[San Lumen]

Apathy isn’t an excuse. Saying I wasn’t inspired by candidates is a recent thing. If the 1896 and 1948 elections were held today Bryan and Dewey would have won. Both of which would have been a bad thing for the country.

You don't know that for certain. And you have no idea how their presidential careers would affect the US in the long term. As to your claim that "everyone has to vote," I want you to explain to me, after Biden's cowardly response to the war in Israel in which Israel blew up Palestinian civilians, attacked hospitals and leveled news buildings, why I should hypothetically vote for Biden over trump and not just vote third party or stay home. This is hypothetical because I'm not a US citizen, but if I could, I still wouldn't vote for anyone who's a friend of the Israeli state.

Bryan winning means no Teddy Roosevelt or Taft or Wilson.

[The V I C]

You don't know that for certain. And you have no idea how their presidential careers would affect the US in the long term. As to your claim that "everyone has to vote," I want you to explain to me, after Biden's cowardly response to the war in Israel in which Israel blew up Palestinian civilians, attacked hospitals and leveled news buildings, why I should hypothetically vote for Biden over trump and not just vote third party or stay home. This is hypothetical because I'm not a US citizen, but if I could, I still wouldn't vote for anyone who's a friend of the Israeli state.

Bryan winning means no Teddy Roosevelt or Taft or Wilson.

Okay, and?

How do you know how that would affect america in the long term?

[Dreria]

You don't know that for certain. And you have no idea how their presidential careers would affect the US in the long term. As to your claim that "everyone has to vote," I want you to explain to me, after Biden's cowardly response to the war in Israel in which Israel blew up Palestinian civilians, attacked hospitals and leveled news buildings, why I should hypothetically vote for Biden over trump and not just vote third party or stay home. This is hypothetical because I'm not a US citizen, but if I could, I still wouldn't vote for anyone who's a friend of the Israeli state.

Bryan winning means no Teddy Roosevelt or Taft or Wilson.

your terms are acceptable