American Politics VIII: Dancin' with Manchin

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

These are the same people who get upset over Confederate Monuments being taken down but are perfectly content with banning Martin Luther King and Ruby Bridges. Isn’t this history too? Whether they like or not it happened?

Its more that they believe that civil rights history isn't as important as their preferred history or should take less precedence. Also is probably because of some traces or leftovers of the "lost cause" mythos that developed in the Southern US around the former CSA that lost and got defeated.

at least you admit that your religion got rekt.

[Kowani]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) won’t run for re-election

[Caleonia]

So slavers and hostis humani generis by proxy?

So we should learn about history from a book written in 1985 by someone who was part of a society that believed anyone who disagreed with them were communists and also believed in Beta version Qanon, and believed that the enslaved people where perfectly okay with being slaves?

This seems oddly familiar and not just because I’ve read what you’re talking about…

[Shrillland]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) won’t run for re-election

Hmmm...well, that makes it Healey's election to lose if she does decide to go in, I doubt Diehl can appeal to mainstream Bay Staters.

[Diahon]

So we should learn about history from a book written in 1985 by someone who was part of a society that believed anyone who disagreed with them were communists and also believed in Beta version Qanon, and believed that the enslaved people where perfectly okay with being slaves?

This seems oddly familiar and not just because I’ve read what you’re talking about…

it's been a pedagogical and historiographical point -- and for decades the only viewpoint -- for more than a century

no wonder you're having deja vu

[Zurkerx]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) won’t run for re-election

Oh wow, this is big for Massachusetts although Trump-types and some Republicans in general are happy he isn't running again. How I know? I have cousins, an uncle and aunt that don't even consider Baker a "Republican". Suffice to say, the Democrats should win the Governor Seat there next year.

[Saiwania]

at least you admit that your religion got rekt.

I don't care if the Confederate statues stay up or not, considering that most of those pieces were put up either during Reconstruction era or as a counter protest against civil rights movements in 1940s or 50s. But I do disagree with history being made "woke" or the narrative being changed to only ever be about the minority groups or peoples who weren't in power or otherwise suffered more compared to now.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

at least you admit that your religion got rekt.

I don't care if the Confederate statues stay up or not, considering that most of those pieces were put up either during Reconstruction era or as a counter protest against civil rights movements in 1940s or 50s. But I do disagree with history being made "woke" or the narrative being changed to only ever be about the minority groups or peoples who weren't in power or otherwise suffered more compared to now.

You are a Neonazi. What you think is about as relevant as the ideas of Oskar Dirlewanger.

[Diahon]

at least you admit that your religion got rekt.

I don't care if the Confederate statues stay up or not, considering that most of those pieces were put up either during Reconstruction era or as a counter protest against civil rights movements in 1940s or 50s. But I do disagree with history being made "woke" or the narrative being changed to only ever be about the minority groups or peoples who weren't in power or otherwise suffered more compared to now.

you want history from the viewpoint of historical plutonium-grade elitist assholes and literally no one else, for none of their individual stories, if there ever were one, survived down the millennia?

here, fap off to fucking sparta

there's even 300 for you, with the helots and damn well near every non-spartiate conveniently brushed off so leonidas can look badass

[Zurkerx]

Trump tested positive for COVID-19 days before debate with Biden.

He had a positive test 3 days before said debate. The debate was on Sept. 29th. The first test was a positive but was from an old kit so he took another test using the "Binax System", which is home test kit (it's reliable I believe but not as much as the PCR). That one came back negative. It wouldn't be until Oct. 2nd that Trump then went to the hospital. Likely, he had COVID before the debate but didn't developed symptoms until later on. CDC says it can take 2-14 days for symptoms to appear and develop. In this case, Trump developed symptoms later on.

[Kowani]

SCOTUS is now hearing oral arguments in Mississippi v. Dobbs, the abortion ban case

There’s a player in the link if you want to listen in

[San Lumen]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) won’t run for re-election

That is absolutely massive news. LT governor Karyn Polito won’t run either. This is a huge flip opportunity for Democrats.

[Zurkerx]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) won’t run for re-election

That is absolutely massive news. LT governor Karyn Polito won’t run either. This is a huge flip opportunity for Democrats.

Oh, she won't run either? Than in that case, it's likely going to be a Trump-type as the nominee, and then lose bigly.

[San Lumen]

That is absolutely massive news. LT governor Karyn Polito won’t run either. This is a huge flip opportunity for Democrats.

Oh, she won't run either? Than in that case, it's likely going to be a Trump-type as the nominee, and then lose bigly.

I’d say that’s a fairly safe assessment. Far right candidates cannot win in New England.

[Diahon]

Trump tested positive for COVID-19 days before debate with Biden.

He had a positive test 3 days before said debate. The debate was on Sept. 29th. The first test was a positive but was from an old kit so he took another test using the "Binax System", which is home test kit (it's reliable I believe but not as much as the PCR). That one came back negative. It wouldn't be until Oct. 2nd that Trump then went to the hospital. Likely, he had COVID before the debate but didn't developed symptoms until later on. CDC says it can take 2-14 days for symptoms to appear and develop. In this case, Trump developed symptoms later on.

who'd believe such fluff by such a malevolent madman?

[San Lumen]

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) won’t run for re-election

Hmmm...well, that makes it Healey's election to lose if she does decide to go in, I doubt Diehl can appeal to mainstream Bay Staters.

Has Massachusetts ever had a woman governor?

[Neutraligon]

Conservatives try to ban MLK

In May, Tennessee passed a law banning Critical Race Theory in K-12 schools. The state is already seeing the ugly consequences of the law. And things are likely to get worse.

While Critical Race Theory is not taught in K-12 schools in Tennessee, the law bans instruction or material that "include" any of one of 11 poorly defined concepts. A sampling:

"Privilege" based on race or sex

"Discomfort" or "guilt" based on race or sex

"[D]ivision between, or resentment of, a race, sex, religion, creed, nonviolent political affiliation, social class, or class of people."

Armed with this vague law, a Williamson County, Tennessee chapter of Moms For Liberty, a right-wing dark money group, filed a complaint with the Tennessee Department of Education. The complaint alleges that the language arts curriculum for second graders in Williamson County school violates the law banning Critical Race Theory.

Specifically, Moms For Liberty objected to the inclusion several books, including "Martin Luther King, Jr. and the March on Washington," and "Ruby Bridges Goes to School," an autobiography of the first Black child to integrate a New Orleans school, adapted for young readers. Moms For Liberty claims that the inclusion of these books "reveals a heavily biased agenda, one that makes children hate their country, each other, and/or themselves." With regards to the Martin Luther King Jr. book specifically, Moms For Liberty cites two issues:

Pages 22-23 shows photographs of white firemen blasting black children to the point of "bruising their bodies and ripping off their clothes."

Pages 18-19 show photographs of white and colored drinking fountains, asking "Which of these fountains looks nicer to you."

The group also objected to the teacher’s manual accompanying the book because it had a negative depiction of Bull Connor, the notorious racist who used hoses and attack dogs to enforce segregation.
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Moms For Liberty also objects to another book in the curriculum about Ruby Bridges, "The Story of Ruby Bridges by Robert Cole," because the book does not mention "black heroes" such as "Justice Clarence Thomas," "Morgan Freeman," and "Secretary Ben Carson."

The complaint alleges that this Second Grade Language Arts curriculum includes 9 of the 11 concepts prohibited by the new anti-CRT law. Further, Moms For Liberty asserts that "[s]ome children are seeing counselors to overcome the emotional trauma inflicted upon them" by this curriculum. This week, the Tennessee Department of Education rejected the complaint. But it wasn't based on a determination that the curriculum did not violate the new anti-CRT law. Rather, Moms For Liberty made a technical error in submitting its complaint. The group referenced instruction during the 2020-21 school year. But the law only applies to curriculum starting with the 2021-22 school year.

The same texts, however, are still being used by Williamson County second graders. Moms For Liberty could easily refile its complaint and, next time, it might be successful. Anne McGraw, a former member of the Williamson County School Board and current parent, said she is "100% concerned" that a future challenge by Moms For Liberty may work.

But even if Moms For Liberty is never able to stop second graders from reading about Ruby Bridges, that doesn't mean the law will not have an impact on the curriculum. Earlier this month, the Tennessee Department of Education released an 11-page rule detailing how the law will be implemented. Teachers who are found to be violating the law — by, for example, suggesting that people of a certain race have more privileges than others — can be subject to "[d]isciplinary or licensure action." In other words, teachers who discuss race or gender in ways that are prohibited by the law can not only lose their job, but their right to be a teacher in Tennessee.

"Part of the goal of this is just to strike fear and hesitation with teachers -- that if they mess up, it could be catastrophic for them professionally," McGraw said, "So that's already having its intended effect."

There is also an incentive for schools to deal harshly with teachers who are perceived as violating the new law. Schools that are found to violate the law by including any of the 11 prohibited topics in the classroom can be subject to millions in funding reductions.
The author of the complaint to the Tennessee Department of Education is Robin Steenman, chair of the Williamson County chapter of Moms For Liberty. The national organization, Moms For Liberty, is a dark-money group based in Florida. Steenman's initial complaint about the Second Grade Language Arts curriculum, which was submitted to the Williamson County School Board, included objections to a teacher's guide that wasn't used in Tennessee schools — it was from Florida.

Steenman is not a parent of students in Williamson County public schools. On her Twitter account, which has since been deleted, Steenman said in August 2020 that she would "never" send her kids to public schools and described public school teachers as "brainwashing assholes."
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We know which history books Moms For Liberty doesn't like. But how should people learn about history? The Moms For Liberty website recommends The Making of America, a 1985 text by W. Cleon Skousen, who died in 2006. Skousen was a supporter of The John Birch Society, a far-right organization that opposed the civil rights movement. He was also a conspiracy theorist, and once "accused the Council on Foreign Relations and the Rockefellers of puppeteering the election of Jimmy Carter to pave the way for One World Government."

Skousen's book characterizes "black children as 'pickaninnies' and American slave owners as the 'worst victims' of slavery." The book claims that the Founders wished to free the slaves but "[m]ost of [the slaves] were woefully unprepared for a life of competitive independence." Skousen asserts that abolitionists "did much to perpetuate slavery" by taking a "too militant" approach.

There is a section of the book titled "Three Fifths Compromise Not Demeaning To Slaves."

These are the same people who get upset over Confederate Monuments being taken down but are perfectly content with banning Martin Luther King and Ruby Bridges. Isn’t this history too? Whether they like or not it happened?

And unlike the statues...these people actually want the history to be taken out of well...history.

[San Lumen]

https://www.kcrg.com/2021/12/01/odonnel ... ids-mayor/

former anchorwoman Tiffany O Donnell elected mayor of Cedar Rapids, Iowa by margin of 68 to 32.

[Zurkerx]

Oh, she won't run either? Than in that case, it's likely going to be a Trump-type as the nominee, and then lose bigly.

I’d say that’s a fairly safe assessment. Far right candidates cannot win in New England.

It's a pretty safe bet even though my family there will be thrilled with that type of candidate.

Hmmm...well, that makes it Healey's election to lose if she does decide to go in, I doubt Diehl can appeal to mainstream Bay Staters.

Has Massachusetts ever had a woman governor?

Yes, it was Jane Swift (R). She was the Lt. Governor I believe when Argeo Paul Cellucci resigned in 2001 to take the position of Ambassador to Canada. But in this case, she was appointed by ascending to the position: Massachusetts has yet to elect a female governor.

[San Lumen]

I’d say that’s a fairly safe assessment. Far right candidates cannot win in New England.

It's a pretty safe bet even though my family there will be thrilled with that type of candidate.

Has Massachusetts ever had a woman governor?

Yes, it was Jane Swift (R). She was the Lt. Governor I believe when Argeo Paul Cellucci resigned in 2001 to take the position of Ambassador to Canada. But in this case, she was appointed by ascending to the position: Massachusetts has yet to elect a female governor.

Swift ascended to the position she was not appointed. She declined to seek a full term in 2002 after polls showed her losing to Mitt Romney who went on to win the general election.

[Zurkerx]

It's a pretty safe bet even though my family there will be thrilled with that type of candidate.



Yes, it was Jane Swift (R). She was the Lt. Governor I believe when Argeo Paul Cellucci resigned in 2001 to take the position of Ambassador to Canada. But in this case, she was appointed by ascending to the position: Massachusetts has yet to elect a female governor.

Swift ascended to the position she was not appointed. She declined to seek a full term in 2002 after polls showed her losing to Mitt Romney who went on to win the general election.

Well yes, I thought I said that: I added too many words in that case. My bad.

[Apocalyptic Haven]

Oh, she won't run either? Than in that case, it's likely going to be a Trump-type as the nominee, and then lose bigly.

I’d say that’s a fairly safe assessment. Far right candidates cannot win in New England.

Coughs….Maine would like a word with you..cough.

[San Lumen]

I’d say that’s a fairly safe assessment. Far right candidates cannot win in New England.

Coughs….Maine would like a word with you..cough.

LePage only won because of split opposition. That's not going to happen this time. Mills is the favorite against him. I would not rule out an upset though.

[Apocalyptic Haven]

Coughs….Maine would like a word with you..cough.

LePage only won because of split opposition. That's not going to happen this time. Mills is the favorite against him. I would not rule out an upset though.

Ah, so like Evan Mecham here in Arizona in 1986. He won with 40% because the Democratic candidate, Carolyn Warner, lost votes to independent Bill Schultz. He was also impeached before completing even half of his term and was removed from office. They didn’t ban him for life, though.

[American Legionaries]

I’d say that’s a fairly safe assessment. Far right candidates cannot win in New England.

Coughs….Maine would like a word with you..cough.

The only current statewide Republican is Collins, who's the most watered down variety of Republican there is. None of these people even remotely reach "far right"