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Postby New Visayan Islands » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:39 pm

Republicanana wrote:-Increase Wall Street regulations
-Free community college
-Medicare for All (PRIORITY)
-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points (Border wall not a priority, legal immigration is a priority)
-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list)
-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else
-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed
-Be aggressive in fighting climate change (PRIORITY)
-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible
-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt
-Mandatory Voter ID, Universal and Free
-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts
-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes (PRIORITY)
-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year (PRIORITY)
-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class
-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in
-Legalize marijuana (PRIORITY)
-No regulations on cryptocurrency
-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons)
-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training)
-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action
-Repeal the Patriot Act
-Outlaw eminent domain

I support this platform because it says some smart solutions, and holds its priorities right. Leave your opinion below and we could debate it.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:42 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:This screams socialism and ameriphobia


What do you mean?
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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:42 pm


isn't there a law against this in canada? public safety, at least.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:43 pm

Hispida wrote:

isn't there a law against this in canada? public safety, at least.


Also why is this woman proclaiming herself as “Queen of Canada”
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Postby Galloism » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:44 pm


In a post on Sunday to her over 70,000 followers on Telegram


How the hell did she amass 70,000 followers?
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:45 pm


Why are you criticizing the Queen of Canada? Royalty should be universally respected especially if they are patriots that do not support Nancy Pelosi and Hollywood corruption
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:This screams socialism and ameriphobia


What do you mean?

Republicana is spreading terrible ideas that will destroy the country and will give it to China so that China can make the USA a colony
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:48 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Why are you criticizing the Queen of Canada? Royalty should be universally respected especially if they are patriots that do not support Nancy Pelosi and Hollywood corruption


She's not the Queen of Canada.

Queen Elizabeth II is the Queen of Canada. This is a lunatic political opportunist and would-be murderer.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:49 pm

Galloism wrote:

In a post on Sunday to her over 70,000 followers on Telegram


How the hell did she amass 70,000 followers?


Social media I imagine. It's not that hard to get people to click "follow" if people know who you are.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:51 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Why are you criticizing the Queen of Canada? Royalty should be universally respected especially if they are patriots that do not support Nancy Pelosi and Hollywood corruption
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
What do you mean?

Republicana is spreading terrible ideas that will destroy the country and will give it to China so that China can make the USA a colony


Elizabeth II is the Queen of Canada. Not this Romana woman. Also she is not an American patriot.

I happen to agree with some of the ideas listed. This country will never become a Chinese colony.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:52 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Why are you criticizing the Queen of Canada? Royalty should be universally respected especially if they are patriots that do not support Nancy Pelosi and Hollywood corruption


She's not the Queen of Canada.

Queen Elizabeth II is the Queen of Canada. This is a lunatic political opportunist and would-be murderer.

I do not recognize the British Monarchy I only recognize Q's monarchy for Q is the ultimate American saviour and hero that exposed the Democrats for what they were and is fighting back to free America and free the world so yes she is the legitimate Queen of Canada
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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:53 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Why are you criticizing the Queen of Canada? Royalty should be universally respected especially if they are patriots that do not support Nancy Pelosi and Hollywood corruption

royalty should be served with a side of sauteed onions and caviar, with red wine to drink
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:53 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Why are you criticizing the Queen of Canada? Royalty should be universally respected especially if they are patriots that do not support Nancy Pelosi and Hollywood corruption
Republicana is spreading terrible ideas that will destroy the country and will give it to China so that China can make the USA a colony


Elizabeth II is the Queen of Canada. Not this Romana woman. Also she is not an American patriot.

I happen to agree with some of the ideas listed. This country will never become a Chinese colony.


Romana Didulo isn't even her real name iirc.

It's an anagram of "I am our Donald" iirc.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Arlenton » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:53 pm

Republicanana wrote:-Increase Wall Street regulations
-Free community college
-Medicare for All (PRIORITY)
-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points (Border wall not a priority, legal immigration is a priority)
-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list)
-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else
-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed
-Be aggressive in fighting climate change (PRIORITY)
-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible
-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt
-Mandatory Voter ID, Universal and Free
-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts
-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes (PRIORITY)
-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year (PRIORITY)
-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class
-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in
-Legalize marijuana (PRIORITY)
-No regulations on cryptocurrency
-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons)
-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training)
-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action
-Repeal the Patriot Act
-Outlaw eminent domain

I support this platform because it says some smart solutions, and holds its priorities right. Leave your opinion below and we could debate it.


-Increase Wall Street regulations
Maybe? Depends on specifics.

-Free community college
At the federal level? No. Though not something that would be a deal breaker.

-Medicare for All (PRIORITY)
No at the federal level, but not a deal breaker.

-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points (Border wall not a priority, legal immigration is a priority)
Sure sounds fine.

-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list)
No. Universal background checks are a borderline deal breaker. I'd need more specifics.

-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else
Sounds good.

-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed
Sounds good.

-Be aggressive in fighting climate change (PRIORITY)
Most likely no, but that would depend on specifics. The word "aggressive" seems like a big red flag for me.

-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible
Sure.

-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt
Sure sounds good.

-Mandatory Voter ID, Universal and Free
No. Probably a deal breaker. I oppose further federal regulation of a state duty.

-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts
Lean no, but I would need specifics.

-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes (PRIORITY)
Lean no, I would need specifics. Though other compromises could put me in favor.

-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year (PRIORITY)
Lean no, but again specifics on this or other compromises could put me in favor.

-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class
Yes sounds good.

-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in
Sure.

-Legalize marijuana (PRIORITY)
Sure.

-No regulations on cryptocurrency
A BIG FAT YES. The "compromises" I mentioned earlier, I would consider this a good one in exchange for supporting tax increases elsewhere.

-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons)
No on banning private prisons. Maybe on the other two. Though support for the death penalty is a big one I would need in order to support this platform.

-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training)
Yes on some. Maybe on others.

-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action
Maybe?

-Repeal the Patriot Act
Sure.

-Outlaw eminent domain
Sure.

Overall, IDK if I would support this platform. I wouldn't rule it out though.

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:54 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
She's not the Queen of Canada.

Queen Elizabeth II is the Queen of Canada. This is a lunatic political opportunist and would-be murderer.

I do not recognize the British Monarchy I only recognize Q's monarchy for Q is the ultimate American saviour and hero that exposed the Democrats for what they were and is fighting back to free America and free the world so yes she is the legitimate Queen of Canada


Shouldn't you be in Texas awaiting JFK's return?

Q said he would, so where is JFK?
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:54 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Elizabeth II is the Queen of Canada. Not this Romana woman. Also she is not an American patriot.

I happen to agree with some of the ideas listed. This country will never become a Chinese colony.


Romana Didulo isn't even her real name iirc.

It's an anagram of "I am our Donald" iirc.

could've chosen a better last name. i'll leave it to you to figure out why
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:56 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
She's not the Queen of Canada.

Queen Elizabeth II is the Queen of Canada. This is a lunatic political opportunist and would-be murderer.

I do not recognize the British Monarchy I only recognize Q's monarchy for Q is the ultimate American saviour and hero that exposed the Democrats for what they were and is fighting back to free America and free the world so yes she is the legitimate Queen of Canada


Q doesn’t care about America or any country. Q just wants to create chaos and destruction. If they really cared about America and the world they would expose the Republicans and other parties around the world for what they are.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:57 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:I do not recognize the British Monarchy I only recognize Q's monarchy for Q is the ultimate American saviour and hero that exposed the Democrats for what they were and is fighting back to free America and free the world so yes she is the legitimate Queen of Canada


Q doesn’t care about America or any country. Q just wants to create chaos and destruction. If they really cared about America and the world they would expose the Republicans and other parties around the world for what they are.


Q isn't even a real person.
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Postby Antipatros » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:57 pm

Hispida wrote:

isn't there a law against this in canada? public safety, at least.

Since she's a foreign national, I suppose the US could designate her group as a foreign terrorist organizaton.

It really depends on whether or not one of these people takes her up on her "orders".

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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:58 pm

Republicanana wrote:-Increase Wall Street regulations
-Free community college
-Medicare for All (PRIORITY)
-Pro-border wall, encourage legal immigration through entry points (Border wall not a priority, legal immigration is a priority)
-Generally, Pro-Second Amendment (universal background checks, ban people on the no-fly list)
-Look for wasteful spending in the whole of government, and either cut that spending or move it somewhere else
-Do the same thing with regulations, looking for unneeded regulations, but not be afraid to add regulations if needed
-Be aggressive in fighting climate change (PRIORITY)
-Free trade deals that can lead to equal trade between two countries, try to end the trade deficit as best as possible
-Figure out a way to start paying down our national debt
-Mandatory Voter ID, Universal and Free
-Renegotiate the Paris deal to make countries like China and India commit to faster emissions cuts
-Increase corporate taxes and/or close current loopholes (PRIORITY)
-Increase taxes on those making more than $1 million/year (PRIORITY)
-Decrease taxes for those in the lower class and maybe the middle class
-Figure out ways to speed up the process to vet refugees to let more in
-Legalize marijuana (PRIORITY)
-No regulations on cryptocurrency
-Criminal justice reform (No three-strike laws, shift focus to rehabilitation, ban private prisons)
-Police reform (mandatory bodycams, ban on no-knock warrants, ban on chokeholds, increase training)
-Break up monopolies and bring new antitrust action
-Outlaw eminent domain

I support this platform because it says some smart solutions, and holds its priorities right. Leave your opinion below and we could debate it.

alright, let me go through this one by one.

- agreed
- single-payer universal healthcare sounds better
- a border wall is a stupid idea and won't work. abolish ice
- i'm not a gun nerd but i do support the second amendment
- agreed. it's time we slashed the military budget
- disagree. companies need to be regulated even harder
- agreed
- because NAFTA worked so well
- agreed
- agreed, actually
- if it could be implemented, yeah
- agreed
- agreed
- agreed
- agreed
- legalize all recreational drugs and provide rehabilitation to addicts
- hard disagree here. cryptocurrency is incredibly easy to make into a scam; see save the kids, dogecoin, etc
- agreed
- agreed
- agreed
- agreed

i'd generally support this platform, but i doubt it's realistic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:58 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Q doesn’t care about America or any country. Q just wants to create chaos and destruction. If they really cared about America and the world they would expose the Republicans and other parties around the world for what they are.


Q isn't even a real person.


Probably, it could be some sort of AI social experiment that went disastrously wrong.
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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:59 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Q isn't even a real person.


Probably, it could be some sort of AI social experiment that went disastrously wrong.

it was probably just a troll that went out of hand
Algerstonia did nothing wrong. Hold Moderators accountable. (she/they)
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:59 pm

Antipatros wrote:
Hispida wrote:isn't there a law against this in canada? public safety, at least.

Since she's a foreign national, I suppose the US could designate her group as a foreign terrorist organizaton.

It really depends on whether or not one of these people takes her up on her "orders".


You can take action against spoken or written threats of violence. It's not actually legal to tell people publicly to murder public officials.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Postby HISPIDA » Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:00 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Since she's a foreign national, I suppose the US could designate her group as a foreign terrorist organizaton.

It really depends on whether or not one of these people takes her up on her "orders".


You can take action against spoken or written threats of violence. It's not actually legal to tell people publicly to murder public officials.

i know in the united states it's illegal to say you want to kill the president. one of my favorite bits is about just that, actually
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Victory Day: February 23, 2022

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