Kyle Rittenhouse goes to trial

[The Huskar Social Union]

Cue the Kenosha riots, of course. Any time that someone gets due process and is acquitted, the riots follow.

Already started last night, 4 people shot, 1 is already dead.

What the fuck

[Antipatros]

Already started last night, 4 people shot, 1 is already dead.

What the fuck

I'm not really sure if it's connected to this whole thing or not.

Here's a local news story on it: https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/kenosha-police-identify-victim-in-fatal-sunday-downtown-shooting/article_7feba822-4329-535e-9fba-4670afc3f3df.html

[Kerwa]

If you live near the border, crossing state lines is not such a big deal despite the media pretending he drove across half the nation instead of 15 minutes.

Why is this “state lines” thing such a big deal? I live in the NY tri-state, 10s of millions cross state lines every day as part of their daily routine.

And imagine living in Rhode Island.

[Antipatros]

If you live near the border, crossing state lines is not such a big deal despite the media pretending he drove across half the nation instead of 15 minutes.

Why is this “state lines” thing such a big deal? I live in the NY tri-state, 10s of millions cross state lines every day as part of their daily routine.

And imagine living in Rhode Island.

From what I understand, it's important for some criminal cases, because of jurisdiction and how a lot of statutes are written.

I don't think that it's important for any of the charges against Rittenhouse.

[Kalaron]

I have no clue how this trial will play out. But I always go back to the central question, "Why was a 17-year old with an assault rifle, who lives in an entirely different community, even there in the first place?" These insecure, immature baby-men seem to think that by engaging in military cosplay and substituting a long gun in place of a tiny penis will make them more masculine. It's a disgusting part of our society. And this is before we even get to the discussion of how this would have played out if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a person of color.

Because it was his local community, where his friends worked and he wanted to defend a shop he knew ?

If you live near the border, crossing state lines is not such a big deal despite the media pretending he drove across half the nation instead of 15 minutes.

Don't often post, myself, but this is actually super true. I used to live close to the crossing between Mass and RI, and frankly it was so easy to miss that people would come into stores trying to buy menthols alllllll the time on the wrong side.

[Galloism]

Why is this “state lines” thing such a big deal? I live in the NY tri-state, 10s of millions cross state lines every day as part of their daily routine.

And imagine living in Rhode Island.

From what I understand, it's important for some criminal cases, because of jurisdiction and how a lot of statutes are written.

I don't think that it's important for any of the charges against Rittenhouse.

Nope.

[Mayhem Era Anglo-America]

Sounds like this case is going to be very bad for the prosecutor's career.

[Kerwa]

Why is this “state lines” thing such a big deal? I live in the NY tri-state, 10s of millions cross state lines every day as part of their daily routine.

And imagine living in Rhode Island.

From what I understand, it's important for some criminal cases, because of jurisdiction and how a lot of statutes are written.

I don't think that it's important for any of the charges against Rittenhouse.

Yes, I get that. Things like transporting under age women across state lines for immoral purposes etc. But that’s entirely irrelevant here. My point is people cross state lines all the time especially if they live near a border and there’s nothing nefarious about it. Yet people keep bringing it up as if it does mean something sinister (even though it’s clear that they have no idea what they are talking about). It’s a biased framing of the situation, which if applied in a similar manner in other circumstances would have the “state lines” crowd most likely howling about all sorts of injustice.

The very fact that everyone by now who’s followed this enough to comment should know how irrelevant it is and, at this point, it is just an attempted smear. As such, anyone bringing it up should be treated as bad faith malicious actors.

[Kalaron]

Sounds like this case is going to be very bad for the prosecutor's career.

Eh, most people will probably understand that the failure here is because of politics pushing them to follow the wrong charges. They're doing the best they can with the shitty case handed to them.

[Grinning Dragon]

Sounds like this case is going to be very bad for the prosecutor's career.

Eh, most people will probably understand that the failure here is because of politics pushing them to follow the wrong charges. They're doing the best they can with the shitty case handed to them.

The DA could have refused to prosecute the case.
It was quite telling during yesterday's testimony by the lead investigator, that they had just begun and the DA swooped in before all the facts and evidence had been collected to just go ahead and come up with charges. The stench of miscarriage of justice of the political nature reaches the heavens.

[USS Monitor]

If you live near the border, crossing state lines is not such a big deal despite the media pretending he drove across half the nation instead of 15 minutes.

Why is this “state lines” thing such a big deal? I live in the NY tri-state, 10s of millions cross state lines every day as part of their daily routine.

And imagine living in Rhode Island.

I live in Massachusetts and I can easily walk or ride a bicycle to New Hampshire. (New England states aren't THAT comically small; I just happen to live near the state line.)

[The Alma Mater]

If you live near the border, crossing state lines is not such a big deal despite the media pretending he drove across half the nation instead of 15 minutes.

Why is this “state lines” thing such a big deal? I live in the NY tri-state, 10s of millions cross state lines every day as part of their daily routine.

And imagine living in Rhode Island.

It isn't, but this case has nonstop been presented as if he travelled a massive distance, implying he was actively looking for "someone to hunt". Saying things like "he went to a different state" without mentioning that is practically walking distance, helps that narrative.

[The Two Jerseys]

Question for the resident legal scholars: if by some miracle this case should actually go to the jury and they somehow return a guilty verdict, doesn't the judge still have the power to override the jury if it's clear that the evidence doesn't support that verdict?

[USS Monitor]

Question for the resident legal scholars: if by some miracle this case should actually go to the jury and they somehow return a guilty verdict, doesn't the judge still have the power to override the jury if it's clear that the evidence doesn't support that verdict?

I am not a legal expert, but there could definitely be an appeal if nothing else.

[Galloism]

Question for the resident legal scholars: if by some miracle this case should actually go to the jury and they somehow return a guilty verdict, doesn't the judge still have the power to override the jury if it's clear that the evidence doesn't support that verdict?

Yes, it's called "setting aside" a guilty verdict and entering a verdict of not guilty.

It's exceptionally rare, and unlikely even in this case.

[Grinning Dragon]

Early morning kerfuffle, seems a person was caught filming the jury and the court officers seized the device and deleted the video and returned the property. Judge instructed the officers if it happens again to seize the phone and bring it to the judge.

[Haganham]

Early morning kerfuffle, seems a person was caught filming the jury and the court officers seized the device and deleted the video and returned the property. Judge instructed the officers if it happens again to seize the phone and bring it to the judge.

Didn't this happen in the Chauvin trial as well?

[Grinning Dragon]

Early morning kerfuffle, seems a person was caught filming the jury and the court officers seized the device and deleted the video and returned the property. Judge instructed the officers if it happens again to seize the phone and bring it to the judge.

Didn't this happen in the Chauvin trial as well?

I believe so, the nephew was bragging online about videoing the jurors.

[USS Monitor]

Early morning kerfuffle, seems a person was caught filming the jury and the court officers seized the device and deleted the video and returned the property. Judge instructed the officers if it happens again to seize the phone and bring it to the judge.

Didn't this happen in the Chauvin trial as well?

Probably some dumbasses still pretending the cases are equivalent.

Some people's thinking seems like:
"I saw this on the news together with some BLM protests! The defendant is white! He's literally Nathan Bedford Forrest and any verdict other than guilty on all charges is white supremacy!"
"Do you actually know what happened?"
"No, but THE DEFENDANT IS WHITE AND IT WAS ON THE NEWS!!!!!! WHITE SUPREMACY!!!!!"

[Kerwa]

Question for the resident legal scholars: if by some miracle this case should actually go to the jury and they somehow return a guilty verdict, doesn't the judge still have the power to override the jury if it's clear that the evidence doesn't support that verdict?

Yes. It’s called JNOV. Though it can be appealed unlike a jury acquittal.

[Galloism]

Well, the state's medical examiner just testified, under direct examination, that Rosenbaum's hand when struck by the bullet was either in close proximity or in contact with the business end of the rifle.

.... why is he being tried for the death of Rosenbaum again?

[Grinning Dragon]

Well, the state's medical examiner just testified, under direct examination, that Rosenbaum's hand when struck by the bullet was either in close proximity or in contact with the business end of the rifle.

.... why is he being tried for the death of Rosenbaum again?

Beat me to it.
listening the ME, his testimony IMO, is supporting the defense claim of self defense.
Caveat.
Prosecution is trying to hammer home that the shot that was mortal was from the back to front.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well, the state's medical examiner just testified, under direct examination, that Rosenbaum's hand when struck by the bullet was either in close proximity or in contact with the business end of the rifle.

.... why is he being tried for the death of Rosenbaum again?

Politics. This entire thing has never been about actual crimes.

[Washington Resistance Army]

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[Galactic Transylvania]

I have no clue how this trial will play out. But I always go back to the central question, "Why was a 17-year old with an assault rifle, who lives in an entirely different community, even there in the first place?" These insecure, immature baby-men seem to think that by engaging in military cosplay and substituting a long gun in place of a tiny penis will make them more masculine. It's a disgusting part of our society. And this is before we even get to the discussion of how this would have played out if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a person of color.

Because it was his local community, where his friends worked and he wanted to defend a shop he knew ?

If you live near the border, crossing state lines is not such a big deal despite the media pretending he drove across half the nation instead of 15 minutes.

I understand why he was there but I don't exactly think defending the shop is a job best left to a 17 year old.

Legally I have no qualms about accepting that he had a right to be there, and he absolutely should be acquitted, but I wouldn't have exactly advised him to be there.