Kyle Rittenhouse goes to trial

[Grinning Dragon]

Got a chuckle out of the exchange between the DA and judge about showing a video about some other dude going back behind the building to confront some dipshits throwing rocks.
Defense: objection, relevance?
DA: it shows the guy confronting the rock throwers
Judge: what does that have to do with anything?
DA: it shows the intent of the group
Judge: The groups isn't on trial, kyle rittenhouse is on trial
DA: oh ok then /sad clown face. nothing further.

Are we sure this ADA has actually been point on a trial before?

He does seem green in presenting his case and the DA putting gaige grosskruetz seemed to further cement kyle's self defense by admitting that kyle didn't shoot until gaige engaged with a hand gun.

Defense: with your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?
GG: correct
Defense: it wasn't until you pointed your firearm at him, advanced on him, now with your hands down and your gun pointed at him, that he fired, right?
GG: correct

Watch the reaction by the other prosecutor after this exchange. Face palm says it all.
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1457774701673996298

[Galloism]

There’s really no evidence thus far presented that he was looking to fight anyone.

The prosecution witnesses so far have pointed him to being a naive teenager repeatedly attempting to help people by giving them minor medical aid and putting out fires.

My viewpoints towards Rittenhouse is pretty much unchanged - he was playing Suburban cowboy, and operated under the assumption that nothing bad will ever happen because he is from a relatively safe neighborhood. He wanted to dress up, play soldier, but much like everyone who touts this , has no fuckingnidea what they are getting into or how stupid it is to out yourself in such a situation. He wasn't looking for a fight, but rather wanted to look the part.

None of this is illegal behavior. Being a dumbass and being in the wrong place while being a dumbass is not a crime.

Seems about right.

We can’t deny the fact repeatedly shown he was the one attacked, not the attacker. In every single instance.

His stupidity at being there and giving first aid to protestors and “protecting property” or whatever notwithstanding, blame lies with the people doing the attacking, not the attacked.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

There’s really no evidence thus far presented that he was looking to fight anyone.

The prosecution witnesses so far have pointed him to being a naive teenager repeatedly attempting to help people by giving them minor medical aid and putting out fires.

My viewpoints towards Rittenhouse is pretty much unchanged - he was playing Suburban cowboy, and operated under the assumption that nothing bad will ever happen because he is from a relatively safe neighborhood. He wanted to dress up, play soldier, but much like everyone who touts this , has no fuckingnidea what they are getting into or how stupid it is to out yourself in such a situation. He wasn't looking for a fight, but rather wanted to look the part.

None of this is illegal behavior. Being a dumbass and being in the wrong place while being a dumbass is not a crime.

I wouldn't say he had no idea on how to handle himself in a tightly puckered gunfight... that was some pretty exemplary fire-discipline.

But yeah, he probably didn't have as great a stake in defending some friend of a friend's place of business as he initially thought.

Even though that exact line of thinking is how we ended up with roof-koreans back in '92.

[Galloism]

My viewpoints towards Rittenhouse is pretty much unchanged - he was playing Suburban cowboy, and operated under the assumption that nothing bad will ever happen because he is from a relatively safe neighborhood. He wanted to dress up, play soldier, but much like everyone who touts this , has no fuckingnidea what they are getting into or how stupid it is to out yourself in such a situation. He wasn't looking for a fight, but rather wanted to look the part.

None of this is illegal behavior. Being a dumbass and being in the wrong place while being a dumbass is not a crime.

I wouldn't say he had no idea on how to handle himself in a tightly puckered gunfight... that was some pretty exemplary fire-discipline.

But yeah, he probably didn't have as great a stake in defending some friend of a friend's place of business as he initially thought.

Even though that exact line of thinking is how we ended up with roof-koreans back in '92.

The prosecution entered testimony that Rittenhouse had actually only practiced firing that weapon one time before that night. All of that was with one day's practice target shooting with that gun.

And if Smith & Wesson doesn't turn that into an advertisement their marketing team is sleeping on the job.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I wouldn't say he had no idea on how to handle himself in a tightly puckered gunfight... that was some pretty exemplary fire-discipline.

But yeah, he probably didn't have as great a stake in defending some friend of a friend's place of business as he initially thought.

Even though that exact line of thinking is how we ended up with roof-koreans back in '92.

The prosecution entered testimony that Rittenhouse had actually only practiced firing that weapon one time before that night. All of that was with one day's practice target shooting with that gun.

And if Smith & Wesson doesn't turn that into an advertisement their marketing team is sleeping on the job.

I was told that was a DPMS.
Yeah... the meme told us it was a DPMS or maybe S&W's knockoff.

[The Two Jerseys]

Right now I'm giving even money on outright dismissal, 1-2 on acquittal.

[Mayhem Era France]

Cue the Kenosha riots, of course. Any time that someone gets due process and is acquitted, the riots follow.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Cue the Kenosha riots, of course. Any time that someone gets due process and is acquitted, the riots follow.

Already started last night, 4 people shot, 1 is already dead.

[Christian Confederation]

Cue the Kenosha riots, of course. Any time that someone gets due process and is acquitted, the riots follow.

I mean at this rate before the defense even calls witnesses everything but the gun charges will probably be thrown out.

[Seangoli]

My viewpoints towards Rittenhouse is pretty much unchanged - he was playing Suburban cowboy, and operated under the assumption that nothing bad will ever happen because he is from a relatively safe neighborhood. He wanted to dress up, play soldier, but much like everyone who touts this , has no fuckingnidea what they are getting into or how stupid it is to out yourself in such a situation. He wasn't looking for a fight, but rather wanted to look the part.

None of this is illegal behavior. Being a dumbass and being in the wrong place while being a dumbass is not a crime.

Seems about right.

We can’t deny the fact repeatedly shown he was the one attacked, not the attacker. In every single instance.

His stupidity at being there and giving first aid to protestors and “protecting property” or whatever notwithstanding, blame lies with the people doing the attacking, not the attacked.

I hold no real I'll will against the kid, mind you. I think had good intentiona for being there, however he should still not have been. Plenty of people do stupid stuff with good intentions.

He's damn lucky he's not dead, to be frank.

That said, I already figured before the case started that the Prosecution was going to be shaky. I had no damn idea they would be this terrible. I have honestly never seen such a bad case brought against someone - at the very least, most prosecutors don't continuously present evidence and testimony that disproves their case, and instead tries to argue from ambiguity.

On the other hand, the DA is probably the best Defense lawyer I have ever seen.

[Seangoli]

Cue the Kenosha riots, of course. Any time that someone gets due process and is acquitted, the riots follow.

I mean at this rate before the defense even calls witnesses everything but the gun charges will probably be thrown out.

I'll be frank, if I were the DA, I would just drop everything at this point. It's downright embarrassing, and it's not going to get better. The gun charge is shaky, and frankly is probably not worth continuing this shit show over.

[The Two Jerseys]

Cue the Kenosha riots, of course. Any time that someone gets due process and is acquitted, the riots follow.

I mean at this rate before the defense even calls witnesses everything but the gun charges will probably be thrown out.

Frankly, if I were the judge I'd toss the gun charges just to punish the DA for wasting my time, I'm not going to let him have the satisfaction of scoring a token victory.

[Neutraligon]

I mean at this rate before the defense even calls witnesses everything but the gun charges will probably be thrown out.

Frankly, if I were the judge I'd toss the gun charges just to punish the DA for wasting my time, I'm not going to let him have the satisfaction of scoring a token victory.

I mean given what we know...could the prosecution have done any better?

[Neanderthaland]

Frankly, if I were the judge I'd toss the gun charges just to punish the DA for wasting my time, I'm not going to let him have the satisfaction of scoring a token victory.

I mean given what we know...could the prosecution have done any better?

They probably could have settled, I guess. Back when the outcome seemed less certain.

I'm stretching. I certainly couldn't have done better in their place.

[USS Monitor]

Makes you wonder how this got to be such a big to-do in the first place.

[Grinning Dragon]

Makes you wonder how this got to be such a big to-do in the first place.

Politics, plain and simple.

[Neutraligon]

Makes you wonder how this got to be such a big to-do in the first place.

Because it was in reaction to the protests and riots. Essentially emotions were already high...and this happened in the middle of those high emotions.

[Grinning Dragon]

Makes you wonder how this got to be such a big to-do in the first place.

Because it was in reaction to the protests and riots. Essentially emotions were already high...and this happened in the middle of those high emotions.

And in giving into such emotions is a travesty to justice.

[Risottia]

Cue the Kenosha riots, of course. Any time that someone gets due process and is acquitted, the riots follow.

Already started last night, 4 people shot, 1 is already dead.

Wow.
That's so VIOLENTLY American.

[Antipatros]

Cue the Kenosha riots, of course. Any time that someone gets due process and is acquitted, the riots follow.

Already started last night, 4 people shot, 1 is already dead.

This?

[Galloism]

New law of self defense summary for monday

Grosskreutz imploded on the stand yesterday.

Among other things:

He admitted he tried to provoke Rittenhouse earlier that night and Rittenhouse refused to take the bait.
He expressed concern for Rittenhouse being attacked.
He put in the police statement that he had repeatedly yelled at Huber to stop hitting Rittenhouse with the skateboard. But he repudiated this on the stand.
As a medic, he said Rittenhouse was facing the imminent possibility of severe head trauma while being attacked in the second instance (that is great bodily harm).
He admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse held his fire against anyone who had not attacked and even those who tried to run up and attack and “put on the brakes” (thinking better of it).
He admitted this even applied to him - Rittenhouse held his fire when he had his hand up.
He admitted Rittenhouse did not shoot him until he dropped his hands, charged at Rittenhouse, and pointed his glock at Rittenhouse.
He admitted he was illegally carrying his glock concealed, as his CCW had expired. He was required by law to carry open like Rittenhouse since he did not have a valid CCW.

Needless to say, all this is devastating for the prosecution. And prosecution redirect of “well, you didn’t intentionally point it” was unconvincing.

Moving past Grosskreutz, the evidence fairy has dropped off drone footage to the prosecutor’s office of the incident just this past Friday. The prosecution witness claimed (without evidence) that it showed Rittenhouse pointing his gun at Ziminskis before being charged by Rosenbaum. Asked how he could see that, he said he could “pinch out on his iPhone”.

I blew it up on a 4K tv. I can’t see a damn thing before the chase begins. Neither could Andrew Branca on his 4K monitor. But maybe I don’t have the high resolution version. It’s been sent to the crime lab for processing. So we will see how that turns out.

[South Willowdale]

I have no clue how this trial will play out. But I always go back to the central question, "Why was a 17-year old with an assault rifle, who lives in an entirely different community, even there in the first place?" These insecure, immature baby-men seem to think that by engaging in military cosplay and substituting a long gun in place of a tiny penis will make them more masculine. It's a disgusting part of our society. And this is before we even get to the discussion of how this would have played out if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a person of color.

[Antipatros]

I have no clue how this trial will play out. But I always go back to the central question, "Why was a 17-year old with an assault rifle, who lives in an entirely different community, even there in the first place?" These insecure, immature baby-men seem to think that by engaging in military cosplay and substituting a long gun in place of a tiny penis will make them more masculine. It's a disgusting part of our society. And this is before we even get to the discussion of how this would have played out if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a person of color.

In my opinion, the more important question here is "was what Rittenhouse did self-defense or not?", at least as far as the trial is concerned.

The political militancy/violent LARPing thing is definitely a important issue for American society, though.

[The Alma Mater]

I have no clue how this trial will play out. But I always go back to the central question, "Why was a 17-year old with an assault rifle, who lives in an entirely different community, even there in the first place?" These insecure, immature baby-men seem to think that by engaging in military cosplay and substituting a long gun in place of a tiny penis will make them more masculine. It's a disgusting part of our society. And this is before we even get to the discussion of how this would have played out if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a person of color.

Because it was his local community, where his friends worked and he wanted to defend a shop he knew ?

If you live near the border, crossing state lines is not such a big deal despite the media pretending he drove across half the nation instead of 15 minutes.

[Galloism]

I have no clue how this trial will play out. But I always go back to the central question, "Why was a 17-year old with an assault rifle, who lives in an entirely different community, even there in the first place?" These insecure, immature baby-men seem to think that by engaging in military cosplay and substituting a long gun in place of a tiny penis will make them more masculine. It's a disgusting part of our society. And this is before we even get to the discussion of how this would have played out if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a person of color.

Except, as I understand it, no local business owners actually asked for help in defending their property.

So the prosecution stipulated in the last hearing that there was "an arrangement" between Dominick Black and one of the car source owners (the prosecution really pushed back on "hired", saying they weren't paid despite the agreement to come help). Rittenhouse decided to tag along with his friend.

The local "Kenosha Guard" private militia group is the one who put out the call to "defend local businesses".

Btw, there's no real evidence Rittenhouse saw this post. He was already in Kenosha when that post was made.

Also Rittenhouse wasn't even from the state, neverminded the area. He had no real reason for being there as far as "helping out a business" or "protecting property" is concerned. He was well within his rights to be present for a protest, but he violated state laws by carrying a weapon illegally, as he was underage. Personally, I feel he'll get convicted on at least some low level firearms violations because of that fact, and he might get convicted on a greater offense because he was illegally carrying a firearm he had no legal right to carry in the state he was in.

/sigh

He's from the area, just not from the state.

Here, let me help you:

Here's the map from his house to his workplace where he worked on Aug 24th, the Pleasant Prairie Recplex in Pleasant Prairie, WI. It's 19 minutes.

Here's the Recplex to Dominick Black's home, where he stayed the night of the 24th. It's 15 minutes.

Here's Dominick Black's home to the high school where he cleaned graffiti after leaving Black's house on the 25th. It's 4 minutes.

Here's the high school to the car source, where he was attacked. It's 8 minutes.

So let's not do this "he's not from the area" bullshit. This has been a known lie for over a year.

Now, he might have carried the weapon illegally underage. The judge refused to dismiss the charge so I'm willing to say that's more likely than not at this point. But that doesn't affect self defense much, not in Wisconsin anyway.