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Is he guilty or is he not guilty?

Poll ended at Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:09 pm

Guilty of all charges
181
22%
Guilty of some charges
113
14%
Not guilty - self defense
452
55%
Not guilty - other reason
7
1%
Objection! Mistrial or something
13
2%
I don't know or care...
50
6%
 
Total votes : 816

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:57 pm

Vlad Tepes Stan Account wrote:Isn't Grosskreutz set to take the stand tomorrow? That will be interesting to see.

I believe so. Look forward to hearing his emotionally driven lies.

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Postby Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:00 pm

Idk, but didn't the guy shoot like 2 people?
That's kind of illegal in 99.9% of countries.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Idk, but didn't the guy shoot like 2 people?
That's kind of illegal in 99.9% of countries.


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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Idk, but didn't the guy shoot like 2 people?
That's kind of illegal in 99.9% of countries.

The illegality in other countries matters not.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:03 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Idk, but didn't the guy shoot like 2 people?
That's kind of illegal in 99.9% of countries.

3 people. And they shot first. One of them shot terribly wide and winged a camera-man.

Police response was a bit confused since there was a 4th shoot-out starting up where the 1st shooting happened just as Kyle was trying to surrender.

Oddly enough Kyle's escort party and some Antifa members were part of that shooting (on the receiving end from a sniper from a 2nd story window)
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:03 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Idk, but didn't the guy shoot like 2 people?
That's kind of illegal in 99.9% of countries.


3 people. And in self-defense.
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:04 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Idk, but didn't the guy shoot like 2 people?
That's kind of illegal in 99.9% of countries.

Plenty of countries recognise a right to self-defence, and the United States, of which Kyle is a citizen, defines that right a lot more broadly than most such countries.



EDIT: derp looks like a bunch of people were quicker to the keyboard than I was
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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:37 pm

Vlad Tepes Stan Account wrote:Isn't Grosskreutz set to take the stand tomorrow? That will be interesting to see.

They defense mentioned during the opening statement that Grosskreutz said he ran up on the scene with Rittenhouse and Huber to *stop Huber from attacking Rittenhouse*.

I look forward to seeing how this plays out.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:38 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Idk, but didn't the guy shoot like 2 people?
That's kind of illegal in 99.9% of countries.

3 people. And they shot first. One of them shot terribly wide and winged a camera-man.

Police response was a bit confused since there was a 4th shoot-out starting up where the 1st shooting happened just as Kyle was trying to surrender.

Oddly enough Kyle's escort party and some Antifa members were part of that shooting (on the receiving end from a sniper from a 2nd story window)

Wait what?
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Postby American Legionaries » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:46 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Idk, but didn't the guy shoot like 2 people?
That's kind of illegal in 99.9% of countries.


If you can find me a single country where shooting another person is illegal 100% of the time, I'll give you a cookie.

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Postby Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:00 pm

Better question, why does a 17 year old own a goddamn gun.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:10 pm

Galloism wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:3 people. And they shot first. One of them shot terribly wide and winged a camera-man.

Police response was a bit confused since there was a 4th shoot-out starting up where the 1st shooting happened just as Kyle was trying to surrender.

Oddly enough Kyle's escort party and some Antifa members were part of that shooting (on the receiving end from a sniper from a 2nd story window)

Wait what?

Day 3 of trial, yeah. Apparently Ryan Balch had that in their testimony.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:10 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Better question, why does a 17 year old own a goddamn gun.

Because he can?

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Postby Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:12 pm

Private ownership of guns should be banned. Except for good fraternal socialist comrades, of course. No reactionary capitalists and their sympathizers need apply. It would be a bit hard to do from a gulag, anyway.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:12 pm

Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan wrote:Private ownership of guns should be banned. Except for good fraternal socialist comrades, of course. No reactionary capitalists and their sympathizers need apply. It would be a bit hard to do from a gulag, anyway.

:rofl:

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Postby Arzt0zka » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:26 pm

Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan wrote:Private ownership of guns should be banned. Except for good fraternal socialist comrades, of course. No reactionary capitalists and their sympathizers need apply. It would be a bit hard to do from a gulag, anyway.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:36 pm

Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:There are many parallels one can reasonably draw between the American post-Trump right and the orchestra of violence that was 1920s and 1930s Europe.

A seventeen year old defending himself from blatantly unjustified aggression is most certainly not one such parallel. Nobody should be put in a position where they have to let themselves be attacked by an assailant of unknown intent because they fear the law, and if Kyle Rittenhouse gets a long jail sentence for this then that is exactly the position that the American populace will be put in.

I mean bloody heck even the most cursory examination of the people in this thread and this discussion should immediately reveal that not everyone who is supportive of Kyle in this incident is doing so because they’re rabid conservatives dyed red with Fox propaganda.


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Postby Haganham » Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:06 pm

Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Better question, why does a 17 year old own a goddamn gun.

The best time to start shooting is around 8
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:25 pm

Haganham wrote:
Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:Better question, why does a 17 year old own a goddamn gun.

The best time to start shooting is around 8


Nah... The best time to start shooting is when you see Johnny Reb, regardless of your age.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:07 am

Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan wrote:Private ownership of guns should be banned. Except for good fraternal socialist comrades, of course. No reactionary capitalists and their sympathizers need apply. It would be a bit hard to do from a gulag, anyway.


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Soviet Socialist Kazakhstan wrote:Private ownership of guns should be banned. Except for good fraternal socialist comrades, of course. No reactionary capitalists and their sympathizers need apply. It would be a bit hard to do from a gulag, anyway.


>LARPing as a Tankie

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Postby Korouse » Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:15 am

Should Kyle Rittenhouse go to prison? It would be ironic, since he was defending all the things he would now be persecuted by. He was looking to fight people who were stating a case against the paramilitary state, the prison system, etc. Now it's going to come down on him. By the way you're not some neutral actor when you're walking with a gun in an urban warzone.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:06 am

Korouse wrote:Should Kyle Rittenhouse go to prison? It would be ironic, since he was defending all the things he would now be persecuted by. He was looking to fight people who were stating a case against the paramilitary state, the prison system, etc. Now it's going to come down on him. By the way you're not some neutral actor when you're walking with a gun in an urban warzone.

There’s really no evidence thus far presented that he was looking to fight anyone.

The prosecution witnesses so far have pointed him to being a naive teenager repeatedly attempting to help people by giving them minor medical aid and putting out fires.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:14 am

Calling the area a warzone also further helps his case given it establishes the overall environment as being hostile and volatile.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:32 am

FBI turned over their high definition video to the prosecution and the defense on Friday. I guess it wasn't destroyed after all.

We haven't seen it yet, but prosecution and defense both stipulated to its authenticity, so it will be used in the trial.
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