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Is he guilty or is he not guilty?

Poll ended at Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:09 pm

Guilty of all charges
181
22%
Guilty of some charges
113
14%
Not guilty - self defense
452
55%
Not guilty - other reason
7
1%
Objection! Mistrial or something
13
2%
I don't know or care...
50
6%
 
Total votes : 816

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:57 pm

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Did you pull something reaching that hard for a gotcha?

I mean that's what you always do lol


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Postby Port Caverton » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:59 pm

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Port Caverton wrote:I mean that's what you always do lol


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You do realize that The Two Jerseys was imitating you, right?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:02 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
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You do realize that The Two Jerseys was imitating you, right?


If he was he's doing a really shitty job of it. Also engaging in NO U is usually a sign that your argument is falling to pieces around your ears.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:02 pm

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Did you pull something reaching that hard for a gotcha?

Look at the pot calling the kettle black
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:02 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:You do realize that The Two Jerseys was imitating you, right?


If he was he's doing a really shitty job of it. Also engaging in NO U is usually a sign that your argument is falling to pieces around your ears.

Actually he did a pretty good job imo
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:04 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:You do realize that The Two Jerseys was imitating you, right?


If he was he's doing a really shitty job of it. Also engaging in NO U is usually a sign that your argument is falling to pieces around your ears.

And you should know, given that you literally post “NO U” 24/7
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:05 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:General consensus is that it's some combination of the DA pandering for votes and kowtowing to the mob threatening to burn down the city if he doesn't go to jail.

The latter is ironic, since they're the ones calling Kyle a "domestic terrorist"...


Where was this mob? Literally never heard about this before?

Or do you mean the mob threatening to start shit if he does go to jail?


While it's increasingly obvious that Rittenhouse isn't guilty and therefore won't be going to jail, that kind of activity is bad. Why can't we just let the evidence speak for itself, without threatening violent action if it's not the outcome we want?
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Postby The V I C » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:05 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
If he was he's doing a really shitty job of it. Also engaging in NO U is usually a sign that your argument is falling to pieces around your ears.

Actually he did a pretty good job imo


I dont think he did only in the sense that I don't think it was an imitation. I think he was just calling out Vass's hypocrisy. So I can't say he did a bad job cause I don't think he did "the job" at all. He was just calling Vass out.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:06 pm

Vassenor wrote:If he was he's doing a really shitty job of it. Also engaging in NO U is usually a sign that your argument is falling to pieces around your ears.

Yes that's why it's a perfect impression.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:26 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:You do realize that The Two Jerseys was imitating you, right?


If he was he's doing a really shitty job of it.


That's what made it so spot-on.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:06 pm

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Indeed. I think the worse of it will be he looses the gun.

I'm thinking after that night Rittenhouse is never going to want to hold a gun again.
I mean he was stalked by a psychopathic pedophile who said he wanted to kill him, and then after fighting off the manic ended shooting two members of the angry mob who failed to realize that Rosenbaum was trying to kill him.

That's going to leave some lasting trauma.


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Postby American Legionaries » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:07 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Where was this mob? Literally never heard about this before?

Or do you mean the mob threatening to start shit if he does go to jail?


While it's increasingly obvious that Rittenhouse isn't guilty and therefore won't be going to jail, that kind of activity is bad. Why can't we just let the evidence speak for itself, without threatening violent action if it's not the outcome we want?


Because the case will have repercussions beyond just rather Rittenhouse goes to jail.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:57 pm

Galloism wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Weird stuff about May-December romances aside, if Rittenhouse was black he'd still be just a fuckin' kid.

So, we'd all like this to be true, but there is an unfortunate tendency to "age up" black kids and "age down" white kids in the common parlance.

I agree with you that's how it should be, but not likely how it would be.


That's just another reason why courts should not be able to fudge who gets tried as a juvenile and who gets tried as an adult. If you have a definite rule based on age, that leaves one less place for racial bias to creep into the system.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:13 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:Yeah, well, they're not. Most of history saw adulthood the way biology itself sees it; as including the teen years. The fact that people can't even point out this obvious reality without facing the Qanon-esque tactic of being smeared as a pedophile drives home the need to make "half your age plus seven" the legal standard already. (It'd have the added bonus of giving possessive fathers one less thing to get his daughter's one-year-older boyfriend on, while doing more about the creepy old guys who go after "barely legal" girls.)

If Kyle Rittenhouse were black, there would be no doubt that he is an adult.

Weird stuff about May-December romances aside, if Rittenhouse was black he'd still be just a fuckin' kid.

Back to the tangent though, the age of consent is 18 in Wisconsin while the age of consent in Illinois is 17.

Hence why being tried in Wisconsin as a juvinile despite his state of residence declaring him an adult.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:23 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Immortan Khan wrote:Weird stuff about May-December romances aside, if Rittenhouse was black he'd still be just a fuckin' kid.

Back to the tangent though, the age of consent is 18 in Wisconsin while the age of consent in Illinois is 17.

Hence why being tried in Wisconsin as a juvinile despite his state of residence declaring him an adult.

He's being tried as an adult.

For carrying a weapon as a child.

:?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:15 pm

Galloism wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Back to the tangent though, the age of consent is 18 in Wisconsin while the age of consent in Illinois is 17.

Hence why being tried in Wisconsin as a juvinile despite his state of residence declaring him an adult.

He's being tried as an adult.

For carrying a weapon as a child.

:?

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:23 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Galloism wrote:He's being tried as an adult.

For carrying a weapon as a child.

:?

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Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:*confused Jackie Chan noises*

"We do not condone vigilantism"
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:55 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:I mean that's what you always do lol


:eyebrow:

Vassenor wrote:One person throwing a bottle in a bag is an unprovoked mob assault now. Huh.

Vassenor wrote:Also one of them threw a bottle in a bag at him which could totally have been a Molotov cocktail despite not being on fire. Totally justified. :roll:

Vassenor wrote:I know right, it's totally proportional to shoot someone dead if they throw a coke bottle at you. :roll:

Vassenor wrote:So regret after shooting someone for the capital crime of throwing a coke bottle at him means he was never there to cause harm. Huh.

Can you at least admit now that you were wrong about this?
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:33 am

Galloism wrote:He's being tried as an adult.

For carrying a weapon as a child.

:?

I've seen this happen a couple times, at least this one's a misdemeanor.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:12 am

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
:eyebrow:

Vassenor wrote:One person throwing a bottle in a bag is an unprovoked mob assault now. Huh.

Vassenor wrote:Also one of them threw a bottle in a bag at him which could totally have been a Molotov cocktail despite not being on fire. Totally justified. :roll:

Vassenor wrote:I know right, it's totally proportional to shoot someone dead if they throw a coke bottle at you. :roll:

Vassenor wrote:So regret after shooting someone for the capital crime of throwing a coke bottle at him means he was never there to cause harm. Huh.

Can you at least admit now that you were wrong about this?

I hope you weren’t expecting an answer to this.
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While it's increasingly obvious that Rittenhouse isn't guilty and therefore won't be going to jail, that kind of activity is bad. Why can't we just let the evidence speak for itself, without threatening violent action if it's not the outcome we want?


Because the case will have repercussions beyond just rather Rittenhouse goes to jail.


True, like whether the right to self defense is upheld or not.
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