Kyle Rittenhouse goes to trial

[Fahran]

I am not myself an extremist, but I find it not at all difficult to understand why they do the things they do nor do I find it particularly off-putting to sympathise with their perspectives.

I can understand the position as well, but I still believe it deserving of robust criticism on multiple grounds - not the least of which has been an unfortunate tendency to warp the truth to fit as neatly as possible into the paradigm and the questionable ethical framing that is left to us when a theory that was not designed to be rooted in formal ethics is applied to ethical decision-making in the public sphere. The outcome a lot of less well-educated people influenced by this paradigm wanted in this trial was fundamentally a miscarriage of justice in my view. It's also an intolerable injustice in my mind to subject people to the loss of their livelihoods and property at the hands of mobs when the outcome has been as much lethargia as one can usually expect - in part because political elites who pandered to the mobs did not actually agree with the mobs once elected in many cases.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I am not myself an extremist, but I find it not at all difficult to understand why they do the things they do nor do I find it particularly off-putting to sympathise with their perspectives.

I can understand the position as well, but I still believe it deserving of robust criticism on multiple grounds - not the least of which has been an unfortunate tendency to warp the truth to fit as neatly as possible into the paradigm and the questionable ethical framing that is left to us when a theory that was not designed to be rooted in formal ethics is applied to ethical decision-making in the public sphere. The outcome a lot of less well-educated people influenced by this paradigm wanted in this trial was fundamentally a miscarriage of justice in my view. It's also an intolerable injustice in my mind to subject people to the loss of their livelihoods and property at the hands of mobs when the outcome has been as much lethargia as one can usually expect - in part because political elites who pandered to the mobs did not actually agree with the mobs once elected in many cases.

That's an awful lot of words to say that the BLM and similar movements got haughtily baited into voting for the democratic party with the usual line of empty promises to "fix" some broken half-truths, often spun into a web of their own favor.

Rather than actually voting for a candidate anybody actually wanted.

And now they mad. Would any of this had turned out any worse under any other candidate? Probably not. Better? Also probably not.

Burn it all down? This isn't Les Misrebeles... it probably won't go over very well with the locals unless you've got a legitimate leader/shot-caller.
-Also not depicted by Le Mis, is the 100 days of mass-beheadings and other forms of "creative executions" that immediately followed. And the massive influx of expats coming to America to escape the political prosocutions.

[Diarcesia]

I can understand the position as well, but I still believe it deserving of robust criticism on multiple grounds - not the least of which has been an unfortunate tendency to warp the truth to fit as neatly as possible into the paradigm and the questionable ethical framing that is left to us when a theory that was not designed to be rooted in formal ethics is applied to ethical decision-making in the public sphere. The outcome a lot of less well-educated people influenced by this paradigm wanted in this trial was fundamentally a miscarriage of justice in my view. It's also an intolerable injustice in my mind to subject people to the loss of their livelihoods and property at the hands of mobs when the outcome has been as much lethargia as one can usually expect - in part because political elites who pandered to the mobs did not actually agree with the mobs once elected in many cases.

That's an awful lot of words to say that the BLM and similar movements got haughtily baited into voting for the democratic party with the usual line of empty promises to "fix" some broken half-truths, often spun into a web of their own favor.

Rather than actually voting for a candidate anybody actually wanted.

And now they mad. Would any of this had turned out any worse under any other candidate? Probably not. Better? Also probably not.

Burn it all down? This isn't Les Misrebeles... it probably won't go over very well with the locals unless you've got a legitimate leader/shot-caller.
-Also not depicted by Le Mis, is the 100 days of mass-beheadings and other forms of "creative executions" that immediately followed. And the massive influx of expats coming to America to escape the political prosocutions.

But they do think it's a modern-day Le Mis. That is the point.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

That's an awful lot of words to say that the BLM and similar movements got haughtily baited into voting for the democratic party with the usual line of empty promises to "fix" some broken half-truths, often spun into a web of their own favor.

Rather than actually voting for a candidate anybody actually wanted.

And now they mad. Would any of this had turned out any worse under any other candidate? Probably not. Better? Also probably not.

Burn it all down? This isn't Les Misrebeles... it probably won't go over very well with the locals unless you've got a legitimate leader/shot-caller.
-Also not depicted by Le Mis, is the 100 days of mass-beheadings and other forms of "creative executions" that immediately followed. And the massive influx of expats coming to America to escape the political prosocutions.

But they do think it's a modern-day Le Mis. That is the point.

So you're saying they unironicly want to start the boog?

Because this is how people would go about starting a boog.

Except as noted, most of the followers have put little to no thought behind what a post-boog government would be, and that's how you get opportunists like Napoleon and Hitler into power.
-Would be safe to assume about 30 million dead purely via political purges.

[Fahran]

-Also not depicted by Le Mis, is the 100 days of mass-beheadings and other forms of "creative executions" that immediately followed. And the massive influx of expats coming to America to escape the political prosocutions.

A lot of anarkiddies actually think guillotinecore is the best aesthetic. They want Saint-Just adorned in hobo-chic and sipping bubble tea to lead the revolution.

Not sure I agree with much else here, and I definitely do think we need to distinguish between different groups belonging to broader political alliances.

[Diarcesia]

But they do think it's a modern-day Le Mis. That is the point.

So you're saying they unironicly want to start the boog?

Because this is how people would go about starting a boog.

Except as noted, most of the followers have put little to no thought behind what a post-boog government would be, and that's how you get opportunists like Napoleon and Hitler into power.

The more radical faction of them do. They unironically believe America's raison d'etre is to subjugate blacks to maintain the ruling class's (i.e. whites) welfare state.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

So you're saying they unironicly want to start the boog?

Because this is how people would go about starting a boog.

Except as noted, most of the followers have put little to no thought behind what a post-boog government would be, and that's how you get opportunists like Napoleon and Hitler into power.

The more radical faction of them do. They unironically believe America's raison d'etre is to subjugate blacks to maintain the ruling class's (i.e. whites) welfare state.

There's more to the United States than the Democratic party and INGSOC.

Or have blue-states already dumbed down voting to the levels seen in 1984?

[Diarcesia]

The more radical faction of them do. They unironically believe America's raison d'etre is to subjugate blacks to maintain the ruling class's (i.e. whites) welfare state.

There's more to the United States than the Democratic party and INGSOC.

Or have blue-states already dumbed down voting to the levels seen in 1984?

Either that or a case of vocal minorities.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

[...] in part because political elites who pandered to the mobs did not actually agree with the mobs once elected in many cases.

There was a fascinating video opinion piece published by the New York Times a whole back explaining why the Democrats don’t implement the Democratic Party platform even in hard-blue states where they control both chambers of the state legislature and the governor’s office.

Once you have things like that happening it is inevitable that at least some people come to the conclusion that the American political system is incapable of delivering meaningful change and that the only hope for genuine social reform is by violence.

To be honest American progressivism as a whole is in a bit of a bind. The founding blocks of late 20th Century left-umbrella parties - that is to say, industrial workers, service workers, urban/suburban professionals, and the intelligentsia - don’t really have much in the way of shared interests anymore (that is to say, they don’t share that much more with each other than they do with blocs that traditionally lean conservative) and the Democratic Party’s inclination to side with the urban/suburban professionals in internal disputes have outraged every other bloc in this coalition.

And nowhere was that outrage put on more obvious display than in the 2016 election of Trump. These riots that we’ve been seeing in the United States recently? I’d call that a different expression of the same problem.

The American centre-left needs to do some serious reconsideration about what the fundamental values of a progressive movement are, and drop people who aren’t getting on with that program.

EDIT: whoops typo - Trump was elected in ‘16, not ‘20.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

There's more to the United States than the Democratic party and INGSOC.

Or have blue-states already dumbed down voting to the levels seen in 1984?

Either that or a case of vocal minorities.

That's... actually kinda horrifying.

[Gravlen]

Burn it all down? This isn't Les Misrebeles... it probably won't go over very well with the locals unless you've got a legitimate leader/shot-caller.
-Also not depicted by Le Mis, is the 100 days of mass-beheadings and other forms of "creative executions" that immediately followed. And the massive influx of expats coming to America to escape the political prosocutions.

Probably because Les Misérables is portraying the June Rebellion of 1832? I don't know much more about the event than what Wikipedia outlines, but the aftermath doesn't seem to have been particularly bloody, comparatively speaking?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Burn it all down? This isn't Les Misrebeles... it probably won't go over very well with the locals unless you've got a legitimate leader/shot-caller.
-Also not depicted by Le Mis, is the 100 days of mass-beheadings and other forms of "creative executions" that immediately followed. And the massive influx of expats coming to America to escape the political prosocutions.

Probably because Les Misérables is portraying the June Rebellion of 1832? I don't know much more about the event than what Wikipedia outlines, but the aftermath doesn't seem to have been particularly bloody, comparatively speaking?

It also wasn't particularly good

And led directly to the 1848 revolution which directly led to Napoleon seizing power.

[Fahran]

Probably because Les Misérables is portraying the June Rebellion of 1832? I don't know much more about the event than what Wikipedia outlines, but the aftermath doesn't seem to have been particularly bloody, comparatively speaking?

It also wasn't particularly good

And led directly to the 1848 revolution which directly led to Napoleon seizing power.

Napoleon III was admittedly a failson.

[Salus Maior]

It also wasn't particularly good

And led directly to the 1848 revolution which directly led to Napoleon seizing power.

Napoleon III was admittedly a failson.

I mean, he was kind of cool.

Foreign policy decisions aside

[Salus Maior]

It also wasn't particularly good

And led directly to the 1848 revolution which directly led to Napoleon seizing power.

Napoleon III was admittedly a failson.

I mean, he was kind of cool.

Foreign policy decisions aside

[Shofercia]

Napoleon III was admittedly a failson.

I mean, he was kind of cool.

Foreign policy decisions aside

Bismarck thought so too, especially after Napoleon the III so kindly invited him to Paris

[Infected Mushroom]

… … Wait a minute.

I’m just really surprised there are people who would browse, analyze and read legal documents, forms, and issues like this for fun. You mean you actually went on Court Docs .Com or something, dug this out of publicly disclosed court filings/issues in your free time to produce this argument/analysis?

Now I’m close to truly seeing everything. 0_0

I am very impressed but you and I couldn’t be more different because I wouldn’t touch those things with a pole arm/reach stick the length of several meters unless I had to.

Just for the record I stole this image from twitter from someone who had done the appropriate research.

But I do find law interesting, and court docs.

How about doctor’s notes/records/logs? Conveyencing documents and papers? Bank papers and contracts?

[The Lone Alliance]

Well to get back on the topic, it appears Rittenhouse's college is being ordered to kick him out on behalf of the "Students for Socialism" group, even though it's likely Rittenhouse isn't even going to that school anymore.

Whiny entitled College Students are whiny entitled college students.

[Stellar Colonies]

Well to get back on the topic, it appears Rittenhouse's college is being ordered to kick him out on behalf of the "Students for Socialism" group, even though it's likely Rittenhouse isn't even going to that school anymore.

Whiny entitled College Students are whiny entitled college students.

They're certainly zealous.

[The Two Jerseys]

Well to get back on the topic, it appears Rittenhouse's college is being ordered to kick him out on behalf of the "Students for Socialism" group, even though it's likely Rittenhouse isn't even going to that school anymore.

Whiny entitled College Students are whiny entitled college students.

They're certainly zealous.

You'd think that college students would be smart enough to know what "libel" is...

[Fahran]

They're certainly zealous.

You'd think that college students would be smart enough to know what "libel" is...

Given a bunch of people with degrees have engaged and have been engaging in libel... no.

There are people with degrees who are anti-vaxxers too. Sadly, having a college degree does not make you wise, intelligent, discerning, or anything else automatically. You have to do that on your own.

[Ifreann]

They're certainly zealous.

You'd think that college students would be smart enough to know what "libel" is...

Is that libel?

[HISPIDA]

You'd think that college students would be smart enough to know what "libel" is...

Is that libel?

"I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel."

[Galloism]

You'd think that college students would be smart enough to know what "libel" is...

Is that libel?

Calling the victim of a violent attack who literally is on camera running from his attackers and trying to avoid violence a “blood-thirsty murderer” feels pretty defamatory to me.

[HISPIDA]

That's an awful lot of words to say that the BLM and similar movements got haughtily baited into voting for the democratic party with the usual line of empty promises to "fix" some broken half-truths, often spun into a web of their own favor.

Rather than actually voting for a candidate anybody actually wanted.

And now they mad. Would any of this had turned out any worse under any other candidate? Probably not. Better? Also probably not.

Burn it all down? This isn't Les Misrebeles... it probably won't go over very well with the locals unless you've got a legitimate leader/shot-caller.
-Also not depicted by Le Mis, is the 100 days of mass-beheadings and other forms of "creative executions" that immediately followed. And the massive influx of expats coming to America to escape the political prosocutions.

But they do think it's a modern-day Le Mis. That is the point.

i don't think either of you got the moral of les mis... it's literally in the last song.

"To love another person is to see the grace of God!"