Kyle Rittenhouse goes to trial

[Diarcesia]

Donald Trump did so much damage to law and order in the US.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... c-n1241581

Considering some Democrats made the same mistake in the opposite direction, I think someone needs to teach US politicians to shut up about ongoing court cases. Commenting afterwards isn't so bad though.

Politicized judiciaries is one thing the US is very bad at.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Donald Trump did so much damage to law and order in the US.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... c-n1241581

Considering some Democrats made the same mistake in the opposite direction, I think someone needs to teach US politicians to shut up about ongoing court cases. Commenting afterwards isn't so bad though.

Absolutely. Would be great to see a POTUS who doesn’t suffer from chronic diarrhea of the mouth about ongoing court cases.

[The Lone Alliance]

Rosenbaum is on video setting fires, throwing rocks and calling protesters "the n-word". While one can attribute that to his mental condition, rioter does seem to fit.

Fair enough, I suppose, but I think it's important to not forget his mental health situation. It seems a decisive element in the situation that took place.

Most Rioters in general are under some sort of influence that lowers their inhibitions, if it's not rage, despair or just booze, it's why sports riots often involve drinking before hand, but that still doesn't change that it's rioting.

Being Bi-polar doesn't meant you're too mentally incompetent to be unaware of your actions. Rosenbaum knew enough of what he was doing that night, he was simply an angry man who wanted to destroy things and fight people, the only thing his condition did was lower his inhibitions enough to realize that was a stupid idea. Quit trying to rationalize away Rosenbaum's behavior.

Rosenbaum was not a victim, he made his choice.

[Big Jim P]

Sure, but let’s also not enable right-wing stigmatization of the mentally ill as undesirables whose liquidation should be celebrated if they ever become disruptive or frightening or dangerous.

If someone threatens to kill me and grabs at my firearm I am shooting them. End of story.

It is not my job to determine why they are now a threat to my person. The fact is they have become a threat to my person and I have a right to defend myself from that threat.

I am under no obligation to cede my right to self defense because my assailant might not be purely sane.

Exactly.

[The Black Forrest]

If someone threatens to kill me and grabs at my firearm I am shooting them. End of story.

It is not my job to determine why they are now a threat to my person. The fact is they have become a threat to my person and I have a right to defend myself from that threat.

I am under no obligation to cede my right to self defense because my assailant might not be purely sane.

Exactly.

“I love the smell of ITGs in the morning. ... It smells like victory."

[Salus Maior]

Donald Trump did so much damage to law and order in the US.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... c-n1241581

Considering some Democrats made the same mistake in the opposite direction, I think someone needs to teach US politicians to shut up about ongoing court cases. Commenting afterwards isn't so bad though.

Ah, an idealist.

[Galloism]

Oklahoma senator proposes "Kyle's Law" to compensate victims of malicious prosecution.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Oklahoma senator proposes "Kyle's Law" to compensate victims of malicious prosecution.

Well something good came out of this whole sordid affair at least.

[Fahran]

Y E S

Kid yeet'd 3 criminals and walked. Bliss.

Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.

Child rapists aren't really representatives of the entire "BLM movement" generally. To whatever degree you can even act like BLM is a unified group/movement and not just a commonly adopte slogan by disparate racial advocacy groups.

Rittenhouse, by the way, says it has nothing to do with "BLM commies."

White guys who shout the n-word at rallies are, hopefully, not representative of BLM demonstrators either. Since Rosenbaum happened to be both a serial rapist and a guy who shouted the n-word at a demonstration in favor of civil rights.

[Fahran]

Correct. My understanding is that they weren't really there for ideological reasons much, but rather were just shitbags that saw chaos and wanted some.

Grosskreutz and Huber were politically involved based on what I've read. Grosskreutz, in particular, was a member of at least one socialist political organization and may have been acting in a role similar to other protestors affiliated with such organizations who have rioted pretty often in the past six years.

[Infected Mushroom]

How impartial is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L33XDGdYaGA

Regarding the trial? Is this how it went down?

This is just an interview with Rittenhouse. It barely discusses the trial at all.

I do agree with him that there was prosecutorial misconduct, and do think he's innocent under the law given the facts of what happened. He still made some really bad decisions, but that's not illegal.

Mostly I’m just surprised at how intelligent, grounded, and analytical he sounds. It really goes against what I assume the typical present-at-riots, AR-15 wielding small town American kid would act like. It’s quite surprising.

[Fahran]

Sure, but let’s also not enable right-wing stigmatization of the mentally ill as undesirables whose liquidation should be celebrated if they ever become disruptive or frightening or dangerous.

You do not have to allow yourself to be murdered by someone because they're mentally ill. Most especially because a mental illness isn't always the easiest thing to detect in these situations. I don't think anyone here has tried to stigmatize the mentally ill and, in fact, the reason Rosenbaum's mental illness was brought up at all was to indict our medical system for not properly addressing his health needs and putting him in a position that quite probably led to his death.

As it happens, yeah, we should criticize the medical system for that.

[Stellar Colonies]

This is just an interview with Rittenhouse. It barely discusses the trial at all.

I do agree with him that there was prosecutorial misconduct, and do think he's innocent under the law given the facts of what happened. He still made some really bad decisions, but that's not illegal.

Mostly I’m just surprised at how intelligent, grounded, and analytical he sounds. It really goes against what I assume the typical present-at-riots, AR-15 wielding small town American kid would act like. It’s quite surprising.

As with stereotypes in general, it’s often not true.

[Fahran]

Donald Trump did so much damage to law and order in the US.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... c-n1241581

Considering some Democrats made the same mistake in the opposite direction, I think someone needs to teach US politicians to shut up about ongoing court cases. Commenting afterwards isn't so bad though.

Some of the comments have been pretty unhinged.

[Arlenton]

This is just an interview with Rittenhouse. It barely discusses the trial at all.

I do agree with him that there was prosecutorial misconduct, and do think he's innocent under the law given the facts of what happened. He still made some really bad decisions, but that's not illegal.

Mostly I’m just surprised at how intelligent, grounded, and analytical he sounds. It really goes against what I assume the typical present-at-riots, AR-15 wielding small town American kid would act like. It’s quite surprising.

14k is small?

[Fahran]

14k is small?

Relatively, yes. And I say that having grown up in a place that had perhaps 600 to 1,200 people living in it. Or, um, nearby?

[Haganham]

Donald Trump did so much damage to law and order in the US.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... c-n1241581

In preparing Homeland Security officials for questions about Rittenhouse from the media, the document suggests that they note that he "took his rifle to the scene of the rioting to help defend small business owners."

Another set of talking points distributed to Homeland Security officials said the media were incorrectly labeling the group Patriot Prayer as racists after clashes erupted between the group and protesters in Portland, Oregon.

The Rittenhouse talking points also say, "Kyle was seen being chased and attacked by rioters before allegedly shooting three of them, killing two."

"Subsequent video has emerged reportedly showing that there were 'multiple gunmen' involved, which would lend more credence to the self-defense claims."

So Trum bad because the white house didn't help the media gaslight DHS officals?

Oklahoma senator proposes "Kyle's Law" to compensate victims of malicious prosecution.

"that the prosecution had legally and finally been terminated in favor of the claimant"
Well that's easy to evade, jsut drop the charges once you've dragged the trial out for a year.

Mostly I’m just surprised at how intelligent, grounded, and analytical he sounds. It really goes against what I assume the typical present-at-riots, AR-15 wielding small town American kid would act like. It’s quite surprising.

14k is small?

It's small for a town

[Arlenton]

14k is small?

It's small for a town

Haha I've always looked at places like that and thought they were medium sized.

[Fahran]

Haha I've always looked at places like that and thought they were medium sized.

Apparently, having as many small towns as we do brings the average population of an American local jurisdiction down to 6,200. Make of that what you will.

[Autumn Wind]

14k is small?

Relatively, yes. And I say that having grown up in a place that had perhaps 600 to 1,200 people living in it. Or, um, nearby?

Antioch is a Chicago collar county suburb, well within the metro area. Calling it a “small town” while technically accurate, is misleading.

[Arlenton]

Coming from Northern Illinois, anything within that perimeter of the Chicago metro cannot be small town. I've seen friends of friends come out from towns half the size of Antioch and twice the distance from Chicago to out where I was at and they were seen as "city people".

[Imperium of Dragonia]

Oklahoma senator proposes "Kyle's Law" to compensate victims of malicious prosecution.

Bet you the people who will protest this proposal are all the ones who engaged with defamation of Kyle and people posing as "free speech advocates" when really they are just political mouth pieces.
I hope such a proposal does pass, then the media will have to be very careful with their wording, lest they risk lawsuits.

[The Black Forrest]

Oklahoma senator proposes "Kyle's Law" to compensate victims of malicious prosecution.

I am shocked that a waked trumpist would do such a thing.

[The Black Forrest]

Oklahoma senator proposes "Kyle's Law" to compensate victims of malicious prosecution.

Bet you the people who will protest this proposal are all the ones who engaged with defamation of Kyle and people posing as "free speech advocates" when really they are just political mouth pieces.
I hope such a proposal does pass, then the media will have to be very careful with their wording, lest they risk lawsuits.

Does that mean all the abuse black people received can now seek justice?

[Albrenia]

Oklahoma senator proposes "Kyle's Law" to compensate victims of malicious prosecution.

I am shocked that a waked trumpist would do such a thing.

Hilariously, they'd probably end up getting caught by their own laws if it actually came into effect. Not being able to smear people during a trial sounds like a good idea though, as Trial By Media is an abomination and shouldn't be allowed.