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Is he guilty or is he not guilty?

Poll ended at Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:09 pm

Guilty of all charges
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Guilty of some charges
113
14%
Not guilty - self defense
452
55%
Not guilty - other reason
7
1%
Objection! Mistrial or something
13
2%
I don't know or care...
50
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Total votes : 816

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Postby Hispida » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:39 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Fahran wrote:I'd have agreed with the death penalty if this had been the crime in question.

This is a joke. I should not have to clarify that, but, apparently, y'all advocate death too much.


I would long since have been put to death if it were a crime.... Hopefully with Thanksgiving near the riots in Portland do not get worse.

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Postby South Perosia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:39 am

Sahin K wrote:Y E S

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Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.

Amen
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Postby Hispida » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:40 am

Sahin K wrote:Y E S

Kid yeet'd 3 criminals and walked. Bliss.

Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.

South Perosia wrote:
Sahin K wrote:Y E S

Kid yeet'd 3 criminals and walked. Bliss.

Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.

Amen

you're both aware he supports BLM, right?
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Postby Haganham » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:47 am

Hispida wrote:
Sahin K wrote:Y E S

Kid yeet'd 3 criminals and walked. Bliss.

Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.

South Perosia wrote:Amen

you're both aware he supports BLM, right?

So what? He wasn't rioting
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Postby Hispida » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:47 am

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Hispida wrote:
you're both aware he supports BLM, right?

So what? He wasn't rioting

he was giving out medical attention to protestors and rioters, though
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Postby Haganham » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:51 am

Hispida wrote:
Haganham wrote:So what? He wasn't rioting

he was giving out medical attention to protestors and rioters, though

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:00 am

Fahran wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No one rushed to help the guy with the gun? Huh.

We're pondering a lot of ifs when the situation turned out as safely for Rittenhouse as it probably could have given he was assaulted by a man who had threatened to kill multiple people that night. PTSD is better than taking a serious beating from a larger ex-felon and a riled up mob - which likely would still lead to PTSD.

Why do we imagine that a mob would have been beating Rittenhouse, had he not had a gun?

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Postby Galloism » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fahran wrote:We're pondering a lot of ifs when the situation turned out as safely for Rittenhouse as it probably could have given he was assaulted by a man who had threatened to kill multiple people that night. PTSD is better than taking a serious beating from a larger ex-felon and a riled up mob - which likely would still lead to PTSD.

Why do we imagine that a mob would have been beating Rittenhouse, had he not had a gun?

Historical data.
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Postby Quebec-Libre » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:13 am

Ifreann wrote:Why do we imagine that a mob would have been beating Rittenhouse, had he not had a gun?

Galloism wrote:Historical data.

This.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:24 am

Galloism wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why do we imagine that a mob would have been beating Rittenhouse, had he not had a gun?

Historical data.


Have there been many instances of people other than the police harming medics at the BLM protests?

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Postby Galloism » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:25 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:Historical data.


Have there been many instances of people other than the police harming medics at the BLM protests?

There's been a history of people who were uninvolved or not perceived to being involved on the "proper side" being beaten at protests, yes.

Hell, the other medic, Gaige Grosskreutz, was illegally carrying a concealed handgun for the exact same reason.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:31 am

Hispida wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
I would long since have been put to death if it were a crime.... Hopefully with Thanksgiving near the riots in Portland do not get worse.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:35 am

How impartial is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L33XDGdYaGA

Regarding the trial? Is this how it went down?
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Postby Galloism » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:41 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:How impartial is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L33XDGdYaGA

Regarding the trial? Is this how it went down?

This is just an interview with Rittenhouse. It barely discusses the trial at all.

I do agree with him that there was prosecutorial misconduct, and do think he's innocent under the law given the facts of what happened. He still made some really bad decisions, but that's not illegal.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:07 am

Sahin K wrote:Y E S

Kid yeet'd 3 criminals and walked. Bliss.

Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.


Child rapists aren't really representatives of the entire "BLM movement" generally. To whatever degree you can even act like BLM is a unified group/movement and not just a commonly adopte slogan by disparate racial advocacy groups.

Rittenhouse, by the way, says it has nothing to do with "BLM commies."
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:09 am

Galactic Transylvania wrote:
Sahin K wrote:Y E S

Kid yeet'd 3 criminals and walked. Bliss.

Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.


Child rapists aren't really representatives of the entire "BLM movement" generally. To whatever degree you can even act like BLM is a unified group/movement and not just a commonly adopte slogan by disparate racial advocacy groups.

Rittenhouse, by the way, says it has nothing to do with "BLM commies."


Rosembaum wasn't a protester, iirc neither was Huber or Grosskreutz.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:11 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Galactic Transylvania wrote:
Child rapists aren't really representatives of the entire "BLM movement" generally. To whatever degree you can even act like BLM is a unified group/movement and not just a commonly adopte slogan by disparate racial advocacy groups.

Rittenhouse, by the way, says it has nothing to do with "BLM commies."


Rosembaum wasn't a protester, iirc neither was Huber or Grosskreutz.


Correct. My understanding is that they weren't really there for ideological reasons much, but rather were just shitbags that saw chaos and wanted some.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:14 am

Galactic Transylvania wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Rosembaum wasn't a protester, iirc neither was Huber or Grosskreutz.


Correct. My understanding is that they weren't really there for ideological reasons much, but rather were just shitbags that saw chaos and wanted some.


More or less.

For the record, Rittenhouse also apparently supports the BLM movement. He said as much on Tucker's show.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:15 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Galactic Transylvania wrote:
Correct. My understanding is that they weren't really there for ideological reasons much, but rather were just shitbags that saw chaos and wanted some.


More or less.

For the record, Rittenhouse also apparently supports the BLM movement. He said as much on Tucker's show.


Yup! I believe I noted that.

And I honestly believe he was being genuine. There was really no other motivation for dropping that one honestly.

He had more to gain by just... not, honestly.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fahran wrote:We're pondering a lot of ifs when the situation turned out as safely for Rittenhouse as it probably could have given he was assaulted by a man who had threatened to kill multiple people that night. PTSD is better than taking a serious beating from a larger ex-felon and a riled up mob - which likely would still lead to PTSD.

Why do we imagine that a mob would have been beating Rittenhouse, had he not had a gun?


to be fair, they beat him despite the gun.

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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:24 am

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Ifreann wrote:Why do we imagine that a mob would have been beating Rittenhouse, had he not had a gun?


to be fair, they beat him despite the gun.


And suffered the consequences.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:26 am

Big Jim P wrote:
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to be fair, they beat him despite the gun.


And suffered the consequences.


Generally speaking assaulting someone who is visibly armed is not really in your self interest.

For all the talk about "why was Kyle even there?" and "where was his common sense approaching the crowd like that?" I have yet to hear someone ask the question "Why were these people engaging in a riot and assaulting a guy who was strapped?"
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Postby Venad » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:26 am

Galactic Transylvania wrote:
Sahin K wrote:Y E S

Kid yeet'd 3 criminals and walked. Bliss.

Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.


Child rapists aren't really representatives of the entire "BLM movement" generally. To whatever degree you can even act like BLM is a unified group/movement and not just a commonly adopte slogan by disparate racial advocacy groups.

Rittenhouse, by the way, says it has nothing to do with "BLM commies."

I made the mistake of looking at the comments of that article. Don’t look at them if you value your brain cells.

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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:32 am

Galactic Transylvania wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
And suffered the consequences.


Generally speaking assaulting someone who is visibly armed is not really in your self interest.

For all the talk about "why was Kyle even there?" and "where was his common sense approaching the crowd like that?" I have yet to hear someone ask the question "Why were these people engaging in a riot and assaulting a guy who was strapped?"


Well, the rioters aren't noted for being that bright.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:33 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Galactic Transylvania wrote:
Generally speaking assaulting someone who is visibly armed is not really in your self interest.

For all the talk about "why was Kyle even there?" and "where was his common sense approaching the crowd like that?" I have yet to hear someone ask the question "Why were these people engaging in a riot and assaulting a guy who was strapped?"


Well, the rioters aren't noted for being that bright.


Naturally, otherwise they wouldn't be rioters :P
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