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Is he guilty or is he not guilty?

Poll ended at Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:09 pm

Guilty of all charges
181
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Guilty of some charges
113
14%
Not guilty - self defense
452
55%
Not guilty - other reason
7
1%
Objection! Mistrial or something
13
2%
I don't know or care...
50
6%
 
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:53 pm

Taken from the police thread.
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Christian Confederation wrote:Kyle's trial starts tomorrow

Also, Kenosha prosecutors get angry, low key threaten key witness when he refused to change his statement.

Fast forward to last month. Rittenhouse prosecutors sent a subpoena to DeBruin. He later agreed to meet with ADAs T. Clair Binger(D) and Jim Kraus(D). DeBruin said at first, Binger was very polite and friendly. “We want to from a good partnership with you, since you’ll be helping prosecute many cases,” says Binger, a once-failed DA candidate. DeBruins said Binger’s attitude quickly changed to that of an adversarial role when DeBruin refused to change or add to his statement, that he signed over a year prior. “Who’s side are you on?” Binger sternly asked. Binger then asked DeBruin to identify people in the many photos he took. He didn’t know who they were at the time, but now knew some of them. Binger asked him to change and add to his statement the identities of some of the people, but he didn’t know who they were at the time, so he refused. He didn’t want to lie. “We have no use for you!” Binger said. “We won’t put you on the stand, so Richards (Kyle’s Lawyer) will be, and he’ll be harder on you than we would!” With this, the meeting ended.

DeBruin was a little nervous now. He wanted to help, but didn’t want to lie in the statement. He now feels like the Kenosha DA’s office is treating him like he did something wrong. Now subpoenaed by Rittenhouse defense team, DeBruin feels confortable, only with an attorney, because of the “uneasy'” feeling he got from the prosecutors. He has since retained local attorney Terry Rose.


Reading Gallo's post seems in line with a post from another site about this douchebag DA
Porridgeweasel October 31, 2021 At 14:07
The prosecutor in this trial is well known for using his position in the system to push a narrative at the expense of justice from what I’ve read and heard by people with either direct knowledge of his work or folks that are familiar with his previous tactics and efforts. He has done everything he can short of standing on a corner with a bullhorn yelling, “Kyle is a vicious murder that was looking to shoot people!” in regards to this trial.

He has used several media platforms to push lies and disinformation about Kyle’s past and intent the evening of the defensive gun use. Hell, I actually watched a commercial that was created by a group working to spread disinformation about the Rittenhouse case on my local TV channel that was part of this campaign of lies. I’m an hour away from Kenosha and would have no effect on this case in any way. It was disgusting and I wondered why this commercial was being aired in my community and to what purpose other than to create a false narrative of guilt and intent.

The lead attorney for Kyle (Robert Barnes) has made public statements on several occasions regarding the ethics of the prosecution and their media blitz of misinformation. He is considering personally suing the Kenosha prosecutor for his actions leading up to this case IF I recall correctly. He is also a critic of Lynn Wood who initially represented Kyle and essentially (according to Barnes) stole millions from the original public donations for Kyle’s defense. Lets not forget that Wood is or at least was for a while, the lead defense attorney for several of the J6 defendants. We know how that’s turned out. Wood was fired by most of those folks after he effectively skipped out on them as well.

The prosecution will gladly hang this kid’s character and send him to prison for life to cover for the lack of responsibility, support and accountability that the governor, mayor of Kenosha and BLM/Antifa rioters hold in this case.

This is another great example of the “system” trying to blame the little guy for their culpability and failure.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:55 pm

Clear cut self defense in all three cases, anything other than Rittenhouse walking would just make the justice system in this nation even more of a joke.
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Postby The Cazistan » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Clear cut self defense in all three cases, anything other than Rittenhouse walking would just make the justice system in this nation even more of a joke.

It already is a joke; hope for the best, prep for the worst.

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Postby Deacarsia » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:07 pm

I wish Kyle Rittenhouse the best of luck in his defense, and I shall keep both him and his family in my prayers.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:11 pm

In the moment, generally seemed like self-defense.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:17 pm

I hope he gets convicted for, at the bare minimum, for transporting a weapon across state lines, but knowing the court, I'm almost certain he's going to be found innocent on all charges and be given a ticker-tape parade.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:20 pm

Luziyca wrote:I hope he gets convicted for, at the bare minimum, for transporting a weapon across state lines, but knowing the court, I'm almost certain he's going to be found innocent on all charges and be given a ticker-tape parade.

So you want him to be convicted of a crime he didn't actually do?

He didn't transport a weapon across state lines, that's already been confirmed.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:27 pm

Luziyca wrote:I hope he gets convicted for, at the bare minimum, for transporting a weapon across state lines, but knowing the court, I'm almost certain he's going to be found innocent on all charges and be given a ticker-tape parade.

1) There's generally no crime in transporting a weapon across state lines.
2) He didn't ACTUALLY transport the weapon across state lines. The gun was purchased, stored, and used in Kenosha. This has been known for a year.

This case is rife with misinformation. If you don't know what happened, how do you know how the trial should go?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:10 pm

Galloism wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I hope he gets convicted for, at the bare minimum, for transporting a weapon across state lines, but knowing the court, I'm almost certain he's going to be found innocent on all charges and be given a ticker-tape parade.

1) There's generally no crime in transporting a weapon across state lines.
2) He didn't ACTUALLY transport the weapon across state lines. The gun was purchased, stored, and used in Kenosha. This has been known for a year.

This case is rife with misinformation. If you don't know what happened, how do you know how the trial should go?

I'd lay the blame for misinformation to outright lies about kyle at the feet of the news media.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:20 pm

Deblar wrote:As much as I would like to see a repeat of the Chauvin trial where he's guilty on all charges, that probably won't happen here. Lightning rarely strikes the same place twice. I do think he'll get convicted on at least one charge though.


It's not a matter of "lightning striking twice." The cases are fundamentally different.

Chauvin's actions were very well-documented with video and witness testimony, and the sequence of events moved slowly enough that it was very easy to follow. Chauvin had plenty of time to think about what he was doing. Bystanders had time to see what was going on and take in the whole situation. It was just much less chaotic, much less confusing, much less ambiguous. Chauvin was in control of the situation, and he just went ahead and killed Floyd anyway.

Chauvin's conviction was not random. It wasn't luck. It was the strength of the evidence and testimony from the prosecution.

The Rittenhouse case is more confusing. You have a lot more different things going on, things moving a lot faster, a kid who wasn't in control of the situation and may have genuinely feared for his life. It's just not so cut and dry.

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Deblar wrote:As much as I would like to see a repeat of the Chauvin trial where he's guilty on all charges, that probably won't happen here. Lightning rarely strikes the same place twice. I do think he'll get convicted on at least one charge though.

The Chauvin Trial was a mockery of Justice.


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Postby Central Ameritan Monarchy » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:24 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Deblar wrote:As much as I would like to see a repeat of the Chauvin trial where he's guilty on all charges, that probably won't happen here. Lightning rarely strikes the same place twice. I do think he'll get convicted on at least one charge though.


It's not a matter of "lightning striking twice." The cases are fundamentally different.

Chauvin's actions were very well-documented with video and witness testimony, and the sequence of events moved slowly enough that it was very easy to follow. Chauvin had plenty of time to think about what he was doing. Bystanders had time to see what was going on and take in the whole situation. It was just much less chaotic, much less confusing, much less ambiguous. Chauvin was in control of the situation, and he just went ahead and killed Floyd anyway.

Chauvin's conviction was not random. It wasn't luck. It was the strength of the evidence and testimony from the prosecution.

The Rittenhouse case is more confusing. You have a lot more different things going on, things moving a lot faster, a kid who wasn't in control of the situation and may have genuinely feared for his life. It's just not so cut and dry.

Flarbinia wrote:The Chauvin Trial was a mockery of Justice.


No, it was not.


Outright killed him? Sure he did but what about the other police officers?
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:37 pm

USS Monitor wrote:The Rittenhouse case is more confusing. You have a lot more different things going on, things moving a lot faster, a kid who wasn't in control of the situation and may have genuinely feared for his life. It's just not so cut and dry.
No it's actually not that confusing when you look at the evidence, it's just that the media has made a strong effort to make it as confusing as possible because the evidence goes against the media's confirmation bias.

The media attempted to build a narrative towards this situation that would most suit their own interests to peddle fear and political conflict, and even though the evidence goes against them they have no choice but to double down on the lies because they cannot admit that they're wrong.

And then they wonder why trust in the media is at an all time low.


And the only reason they want Kyle convicted is because they believe an acquittal will lead to a chilling effect on riots. And that's bad for business.
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Postby Ithalian Empire » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:41 pm

Luziyca wrote:I hope he gets convicted for, at the bare minimum, for transporting a weapon across state lines, but knowing the court, I'm almost certain he's going to be found innocent on all charges and be given a ticker-tape parade.

Yeah, you see, you can legally transport a weapon into Wisconsin from Illinois, and vice versa. Ive done it many times in the past lmao. The entire prosecution for this case is a shame. Its legal to burn and loot other peoples property but its not okay for you to defend yourself when you believe your life to be in mortal peril?
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:47 pm

Ithalian Empire wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I hope he gets convicted for, at the bare minimum, for transporting a weapon across state lines, but knowing the court, I'm almost certain he's going to be found innocent on all charges and be given a ticker-tape parade.

Yeah, you see, you can legally transport a weapon into Wisconsin from Illinois, and vice versa. Ive done it many times in the past lmao. The entire prosecution for this case is a shame. Its legal to burn and loot other peoples property but its not okay for you to defend yourself when you believe your life to be in mortal peril?


It's not though...
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Postby Ithalian Empire » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:08 pm

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Ithalian Empire wrote:Yeah, you see, you can legally transport a weapon into Wisconsin from Illinois, and vice versa. Ive done it many times in the past lmao. The entire prosecution for this case is a shame. Its legal to burn and loot other peoples property but its not okay for you to defend yourself when you believe your life to be in mortal peril?


It's not though...

Is it not okay for me to burn and loot when I get angry when the police do something I don't like? Or is it not okay to use deadly force to protect my life and those of my family when I feel like they are in mortal peril? Please clarify.
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:09 pm

Ithalian Empire wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
It's not though...

Is it not okay for me to burn and loot when I get angry when the police do something I don't like? Or is it not okay to use deadly force to protect my life and those of my family when I feel like they are in mortal peril? Please clarify.


I thought my bolding specified what I was referring to but the former. No one's arguing the riots were legal.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:25 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:The Rittenhouse case is more confusing. You have a lot more different things going on, things moving a lot faster, a kid who wasn't in control of the situation and may have genuinely feared for his life. It's just not so cut and dry.
No it's actually not that confusing when you look at the evidence, it's just that the media has made a strong effort to make it as confusing as possible because the evidence goes against the media's confirmation bias.

The media attempted to build a narrative towards this situation that would most suit their own interests to peddle fear and political conflict, and even though the evidence goes against them they have no choice but to double down on the lies because they cannot admit that they're wrong.

And then they wonder why trust in the media is at an all time low.


And the only reason they want Kyle convicted is because they believe an acquittal will lead to a chilling effect on riots. And that's bad for business.

Surely acquitting someone who is seen as a symbol of "white people can get away with anything" would only feed riots ?
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Clear cut self defense in all three cases, anything other than Rittenhouse walking would just make the justice system in this nation even more of a joke.

Bullshit. He provoked the situation. What the fuck was he doing in the middle of a riot with an MP15? The Second Amendment is not a excuse for stupidity. There is also the little fact that he was hanging out with the Proud Boys, a labelled domestic terror organization. Tucker Carlson defending him is just the icing on the cake. Was it intentional murder? No. It is definitely negligent homicide though.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:56 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Clear cut self defense in all three cases, anything other than Rittenhouse walking would just make the justice system in this nation even more of a joke.

Bullshit. He provoked the situation. What the fuck was he doing in the middle of a riot with an MP15? The Second Amendment is not a excuse for stupidity. There is also the little fact that he was hanging out with the Proud Boys, a labelled domestic terror organization. Tucker Carlson defending him is just the icing on the cake. Was it intentional murder? No. It is definitely negligent homicide though.


No but you see he said he was there to defend property (which is more important than human lives) and thus can do no wrong and cannot possibly be lying.
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Postby Kanadorika » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:01 am

Vassenor wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Bullshit. He provoked the situation. What the fuck was he doing in the middle of a riot with an MP15? The Second Amendment is not a excuse for stupidity. There is also the little fact that he was hanging out with the Proud Boys, a labelled domestic terror organization. Tucker Carlson defending him is just the icing on the cake. Was it intentional murder? No. It is definitely negligent homicide though.


No but you see he said he was there to defend property (which is more important than human lives) and thus can do no wrong and cannot possibly be lying.

Whether he was defending property or not is irrelevant. All the defense has to prove is that Rittenhouse feared for his life when he pulled the trigger in self defense. It's that simple, and is why he will likely walk a free man. Property has nothing to do with this.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:03 am

Also I guess we can abandon the “good guy with a gun” narrative since y’all are saying that if you try to stop someone with a gun from shooting more people and that person shoots you dead they were 100% justified.
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Vassenor wrote:Also I guess we can abandon the “good guy with a gun” narrative since y’all are saying that if you try to stop someone with a gun from shooting more people and that person shoots you dead they were 100% justified.

Grown men chasing an armed kid into a corner dont sound like good people to me. All this proves is that firearms are equalizers. Even a 17 year old kid can put down an attempted assault with the squeeze of a trigger.
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Postby Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:19 am

Just remember guys, he was only defending himself while two states over with a firearm he wasn't allowed to operate, and waved his gun at a group of people protesting that Police brutality in any capacity is bad. Just defending himself!
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Postby Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:22 am

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USS Monitor wrote:
It's not a matter of "lightning striking twice." The cases are fundamentally different.

Chauvin's actions were very well-documented with video and witness testimony, and the sequence of events moved slowly enough that it was very easy to follow. Chauvin had plenty of time to think about what he was doing. Bystanders had time to see what was going on and take in the whole situation. It was just much less chaotic, much less confusing, much less ambiguous. Chauvin was in control of the situation, and he just went ahead and killed Floyd anyway.

Chauvin's conviction was not random. It wasn't luck. It was the strength of the evidence and testimony from the prosecution.

The Rittenhouse case is more confusing. You have a lot more different things going on, things moving a lot faster, a kid who wasn't in control of the situation and may have genuinely feared for his life. It's just not so cut and dry.



No, it was not.


Outright killed him? Sure he did but what about the other police officers?
Also I would be more sympathetic if protests didn't become corrupt and destroy our cities!!

Maybe, get this right, radical new idea, that if police weren't arbitrarily killing people, then these protests wouldn't have happened. Crazy, I know
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:23 am

Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:Just remember guys, he was only defending himself while two states over with a firearm he wasn't allowed to operate, and waved his gun at a group of people protesting that Police brutality in any capacity is bad. Just defending himself!


Also one of them threw a bottle in a bag at him which could totally have been a Molotov cocktail despite not being on fire. Totally justified. :roll:
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