Kyle Rittenhouse goes to trial

[Kathol Rift]

I'd be curious how the DA will capitalize on that, since it's no secret that Kyle went there with the knowledge that the situation could be dangerous. That's why he had a gun. What's the DA going to argue, that wearing body armor means you're looking for a fight more than carrying a rifle does?

Yes?

Now that I think about it, yeah, that's probably exactly what he'll argue. I keep overestimating the competency of the prosecution.

[The Second JELLIAN Republic]

Oh, I'm sure he's going for door #1. As he tried to make some nonsense hoopla about boogaloo boys, milita, etc.

Sure.

As an aside, the way people view dangerousness or nefariousness of these things seems completely backward.

People fear rifles more than handguns, even though rifles are used to kill a vanishingly small amount compared with handguns. And people wearing body armor is viewed as even more dangerous even though there's probably a number approaching zero that have been killed by body armor.

Anyway, sure the DA is going to try to capitalize on the body armor remark.

Would the argument saying body armor is nefarious be intent ?
Body armor means you could possibly expect to get shot at.

[Grinning Dragon]

Hey let's add more lies/omissions to the rittenhouse trial.

Becky Sullivan, National Public Radio (NPR) reporter and producer, who misreported information about a critical juncture of the shooting of Joseph Rosenbaum, in the Rittenhouse trial, had this take on the Gaige Grosskreutz testimony. From NPR:

By Becky Sullivan

| WBOI-FM

Updated November 8, 2021 at 3:27 PM ET

Gaige Grosskreutz, the only person who survived being shot by Kyle Rittenhouse last year at a chaotic demonstration in Kenosha, Wis., took the stand in a pivotal moment in Rittenhouse’s homicide trial. In three hours of dramatic testimony Monday, Grosskreutz, 27, acknowledged that he was armed with a pistol on the evening of Aug. 25, 2020, but said that his hands were raised when Rittenhouse raised his rifle at him and that he feared for his life.

Ms. Sullivan failed to mention Gaige Grosskreutz testified he was pointing his pistol at Kyle Rittenhouse when Kyle shot him.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/11/shocki ... -gun-kyle/

[Immortan Khan]

Hey let's add more lies/omissions to the rittenhouse trial.

Becky Sullivan, National Public Radio (NPR) reporter and producer, who misreported information about a critical juncture of the shooting of Joseph Rosenbaum, in the Rittenhouse trial, had this take on the Gaige Grosskreutz testimony. From NPR:

By Becky Sullivan

| WBOI-FM

Updated November 8, 2021 at 3:27 PM ET

Gaige Grosskreutz, the only person who survived being shot by Kyle Rittenhouse last year at a chaotic demonstration in Kenosha, Wis., took the stand in a pivotal moment in Rittenhouse’s homicide trial. In three hours of dramatic testimony Monday, Grosskreutz, 27, acknowledged that he was armed with a pistol on the evening of Aug. 25, 2020, but said that his hands were raised when Rittenhouse raised his rifle at him and that he feared for his life.

Ms. Sullivan failed to mention Gaige Grosskreutz testified he was pointing his pistol at Kyle Rittenhouse when Kyle shot him.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/11/shocki ... -gun-kyle/

More money from the lawsuits.

[Immortan Khan]

Based Granny is going to be a thing now, isn't it?

[Fartsniffage]

Hey let's add more lies/omissions to the rittenhouse trial.

Becky Sullivan, National Public Radio (NPR) reporter and producer, who misreported information about a critical juncture of the shooting of Joseph Rosenbaum, in the Rittenhouse trial, had this take on the Gaige Grosskreutz testimony. From NPR:

By Becky Sullivan

| WBOI-FM

Updated November 8, 2021 at 3:27 PM ET

Gaige Grosskreutz, the only person who survived being shot by Kyle Rittenhouse last year at a chaotic demonstration in Kenosha, Wis., took the stand in a pivotal moment in Rittenhouse’s homicide trial. In three hours of dramatic testimony Monday, Grosskreutz, 27, acknowledged that he was armed with a pistol on the evening of Aug. 25, 2020, but said that his hands were raised when Rittenhouse raised his rifle at him and that he feared for his life.

Ms. Sullivan failed to mention Gaige Grosskreutz testified he was pointing his pistol at Kyle Rittenhouse when Kyle shot him.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/11/shocki ... -gun-kyle/

Given that by the point he pulled his pistol Grosskreutz had seen Kyle kill 2 people, would you not argue that he was well within his rights to pull his weapon?

Especially given that he testified that he was there to stop Rittenhouse from being beaten with a skateboard and Rittenhouse had pointed his rifle at him?

Got to give both sides the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their state of mind when they tried to defend themselves.

[American Legionaries]

Hey let's add more lies/omissions to the rittenhouse trial.


https://www.ammoland.com/2021/11/shocki ... -gun-kyle/

Given that by the point he pulled his pistol Grosskreutz had seen Kyle kill 2 people, would you not argue that he was well within his rights to pull his weapon?

Especially given that he testified that he was there to stop Rittenhouse from being beaten with a skateboard and Rittenhouse had pointed his rifle at him?

Got to give both sides the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their state of mind when they tried to defend themselves.

Grosskreutz having reason to arm himself doesn't disqualify Rittenhouse's reason to fire in defense. It's perfectly possible for two armed individuals to be reasonably afraid of one another.

[Fartsniffage]

Given that by the point he pulled his pistol Grosskreutz had seen Kyle kill 2 people, would you not argue that he was well within his rights to pull his weapon?

Especially given that he testified that he was there to stop Rittenhouse from being beaten with a skateboard and Rittenhouse had pointed his rifle at him?

Got to give both sides the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their state of mind when they tried to defend themselves.

Grosskreutz having reason to arm himself doesn't disqualify Rittenhouse's reason to fire in defense. It's perfectly possible for two armed individuals to be reasonably afraid of one another.

Did I say otherwise?

[Wolkenburg]

According to Grosskreutz, he only accidentally pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. It seems to me that he was influenced by movies. (In movies X points gun at Y, and then Y pulls gun on X and neither shoots. Which is unrealistic, because shooting a gun requires a small movement of the finger, and a half of a second. So there is no real M.A.D. You probably wouldn't be able to see someone about to pull the trigger, and if you did, you wouldn't have time. If someone points a gun at you, then you have self defense. I think the only exception to that is if maybe you are committing a crime.

Grosskreutz either should have shot Rittenhouse or kept his gun holstered. If he had shot Grosskreutz he probably would have also been able to claim self defense. Those two are very similar.

Speaking of which, why are they are German?

[Grinning Dragon]

Hey let's add more lies/omissions to the rittenhouse trial.


https://www.ammoland.com/2021/11/shocki ... -gun-kyle/

Given that by the point he pulled his pistol Grosskreutz had seen Kyle kill 2 people, would you not argue that he was well within his rights to pull his weapon?

Especially given that he testified that he was there to stop Rittenhouse from being beaten with a skateboard and Rittenhouse had pointed his rifle at him?

Got to give both sides the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their state of mind when they tried to defend themselves.

gaige never witnessed kyle shooting rosenbaum, gaige only asked "who did you shoot?"
Going back to the post in which you responded. I was pointing out that this particular news person, purposely left out key details in why kyle shot gaige.

[Immortan Khan]

Grambo is hilarious. She has strong IDGAF energy.

[American Legionaries]

According to Grosskreutz, he only accidentally pointed his gun at Rittenhouse. It seems to me that he was influenced by movies. (In movies X points gun at Y, and then Y pulls gun on X and neither shoots. Which is unrealistic, because shooting a gun requires a small movement of the finger, and a half of a second. So there is no real M.A.D. You probably wouldn't be able to see someone about to pull the trigger, and if you did, you wouldn't have time. If someone points a gun at you, then you have self defense. I think the only exception to that is if maybe you are committing a crime.

Grosskreutz either should have shot Rittenhouse or kept his gun holstered. If he had shot Grosskreutz he probably would have also been able to claim self defense. Those two are very similar.

Speaking of which, why are they are German?

Wisconsin

[Kerwa]

Given that by the point he pulled his pistol Grosskreutz had seen Kyle kill 2 people, would you not argue that he was well within his rights to pull his weapon?

Especially given that he testified that he was there to stop Rittenhouse from being beaten with a skateboard and Rittenhouse had pointed his rifle at him?

Got to give both sides the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their state of mind when they tried to defend themselves.

Presumably that’s why he wasn’t charged with brandishing. But didn’t he point the pistol at Rittenhouse? Why would you point a pistol at someone you were trying to save?

Regardless, it’s really about Rittenhouse’s state of mind, not Grosskreutz’s.

[Grinning Dragon]

Grambo is hilarious. She has strong IDGAF energy.

Yeah, she was pretty funny.
Loved the part where the DA was trying to make the AR15 this super duper universe killing weapon, and she's like naw, a gun is a gun.

Oh yeah, getting heated. Knives come out against the photo journalist (debuir?) accused of having a bias against the DA and is for the defendant.
Guess the guy was originally called to be a witness for the state and the guydidn't like the fact that DA binger wanted him to add things to his police statement.

[Immortan Khan]

So now we have a witness outright claiming misconduct from the prosecution team.

[Salus Maior]

So now we have a witness outright claiming misconduct from the prosecution team.

Please tell me its prosecution's witness.

[Dresderstan]

So now we have a witness outright claiming misconduct from the prosecution team.

Please tell me its prosecution's witness.

If it is, I have to ask when does the judge throw out the DA's "case" and tell them to piss off.

[Immortan Khan]

So now we have a witness outright claiming misconduct from the prosecution team.

Please tell me its prosecution's witness.

For the Ziminski case yes. Not sure about Rittenhouse's case. Either way the prosecution is just attacking this guy at this point. They aren't even focusing on the Rittenhouse case, just entirely about their conduct.

[Risottia]

SO, I did some research, im confused, I didn't see anything else except for the fact he killed a few people, so Im confused as to why you would want him to be found innocent, or if you could tell me if there's another side that would great.

Basically, in broad strokes (and I'm talking purely from the *prosecution* witnesses standpoint):

1) Rosenbaum threatened to murder Rittenhouse. Hid ahead of him as he was coming down the street. Approached him from behind, chased him down as he fled yelling "friendly friendly friendly", attempted to assault him with (what was likely ultimately harmless) a plastic bag. Then as he was chasing, another person, Joshua Ziminski, fired a shot from behind. As Rittenhouse turned to look at the shot, Rosenbaum yelled "fuck you" and attempted to seize control of Rittenhouse's weapon. Per the medical examiner, his hand was either on the weapon when shot or very very close.

2) After this, Rittenhouse runs towards police as people shout various forms of incitement to attack (and at least one incitement to kill) him. He tells one person - Grosskreutz - he is going to the police. Another person punches him in the back of the head as he runs towards police. Another person (Huber) hits him in the back with the skateboard.

3) He falls (whether he tripped or fell from the impact is unclear), but he is immediately drop kicked in the face by Drop Kick Man (that's officially what he's being called in court, since we don't know his name) wearing heavy work boots. Rittenhouse fired twice at him, and missed.

4) Huber strikes him a second time with the skateboard, and tries to seize his weapon. He shoots Huber once in the chest.

5) As Huber is getting shot, Grosskreutz runs up gun in hand, and puts his hands up when Huber gets shot. Rittenhouse holds his fire. Grosskreutz then drops his hands, rushes forward, and points his gun at Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse was a hair faster, and shot most of his bicep off with one shot.

6) Then Rittenhouse gets up, and starts moving towards police again.

And all of this is according to the *prosecution* witnesses.

What really puzzles me is how the prosecutor brought those charges without them being rejected without even getting to a trial. I mean, seriously? Basically the DA is arguing that there was a lynching mob out to get the defendant.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Moving past Grosskreutz, the evidence fairy has dropped off drone footage to the prosecutor’s office of the incident just this past Friday. The prosecution witness claimed (without evidence) that it showed Rittenhouse pointing his gun at Ziminskis before being charged by Rosenbaum. Asked how he could see that, he said he could “pinch out on his iPhone”.

I blew it up on a 4K tv. I can’t see a damn thing before the chase begins. Neither could Andrew Branca on his 4K monitor. But maybe I don’t have the high resolution version. It’s been sent to the crime lab for processing. So we will see how that turns out.

I smell a perjury charge brewing next to that hot mug of bullshit.

The witness was a federal agent, yeah?

This is why local police don't like cooperating with feds, they put clown-shoes onto any investigation they make.

Next we'll call a dog up as a witness like in the OJ trials.

[Risottia]

Already started last night, 4 people shot, 1 is already dead.

This?

Lol, I cannot read that site as the owners disallows EU/EEA citizens from reading it. They must be afraid of my eurosissy gayrays turning them into non-gun-toting commies.

[Universil-Unoyz Wintarros]

This?

Lol, I cannot read that site as the owners disallows EU/EEA citizens from reading it. They must be afraid of my eurosissy gayrays turning them into non-gun-toting commies.

More likely has to do with your privacy laws or something. I cant share anything link based with my euro friends without having problems.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

This?

Lol, I cannot read that site as the owners disallows EU/EEA citizens from reading it. They must be afraid of my eurosissy gayrays turning them into non-gun-toting commies.

Yeah, that's the one

“Officers were on scene within one minute and could see muzzle flashes from multiple different locations,” Interim Police Chief Eric Larsen said. “Evidence of over 70 round being fired was discovered.

“Due to the size of the crowd, the chaotic scene and attempts to breach the crime scene, our officers had to request mutual aid from several law enforcement agencies to assist in maintaining control.”

The killing marked the 11th homicide in the city this year and the 16th in Kenosha County. The City of Kenosha typically has about five homicides each year.

'bit of a shitshow with imperial stormtrooper aiming.

[Risottia]

Lol, I cannot read that site as the owners disallows EU/EEA citizens from reading it. They must be afraid of my eurosissy gayrays turning them into non-gun-toting commies.

Yeah, that's the one

“Officers were on scene within one minute and could see muzzle flashes from multiple different locations,” Interim Police Chief Eric Larsen said. “Evidence of over 70 round being fired was discovered.

“Due to the size of the crowd, the chaotic scene and attempts to breach the crime scene, our officers had to request mutual aid from several law enforcement agencies to assist in maintaining control.”

The killing marked the 11th homicide in the city this year and the 16th in Kenosha County. The City of Kenosha typically has about five homicides each year.

Seriously.
"Hey! We have a murder trial that's not going the way I want! Let's commit murder!"

[Risottia]

Lol, I cannot read that site as the owners disallows EU/EEA citizens from reading it. They must be afraid of my eurosissy gayrays turning them into non-gun-toting commies.

More likely has to do with your privacy laws or something. I cant share anything link based with my euro friends without having problems.

They must be non-EU/EEA or behind a non-EU/EEA proxy, like the Tor.