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Is he guilty or is he not guilty?

Poll ended at Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:09 pm

Guilty of all charges
181
22%
Guilty of some charges
113
14%
Not guilty - self defense
452
55%
Not guilty - other reason
7
1%
Objection! Mistrial or something
13
2%
I don't know or care...
50
6%
 
Total votes : 816

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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:07 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Fahran wrote:I mean... yes, one can assert that we shouldn't attend BLM rallies, even when we support BLM, because they tend to devolve into riots at higher rates than other political demonstrations, but I don't think you actually want to make that argument.


That can be said of any rally or political demonstration. You will always have people who only want to break, burn and steal.

Point made is nobody expected the kid to grab his gun and sing “Here I am to save the day!”

Yeah, well, he didn't do that.

And pursuant to his interview today, where he said he supports black lives matter and suggested that the prosecutor might have even been more unethical and sleazy if he were black, people are now saying that a black lives matter supporter shouldn't have attended a black lives matter protest if he didn't want to get attacked.
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Postby Fahran » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:14 pm

Galloism wrote:Yeah, well, he didn't do that.

And pursuant to his interview today, where he said he supports black lives matter and suggested that the prosecutor might have even been more unethical and sleazy if he were black, people are now saying that a black lives matter supporter shouldn't have attended a black lives matter protest if he didn't want to get attacked.

Tfw you make the argument the police want to make by accident. :^)

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:15 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That can be said of any rally or political demonstration. You will always have people who only want to break, burn and steal.

Point made is nobody expected the kid to grab his gun and sing “Here I am to save the day!”

Yeah, well, he didn't do that.

And pursuant to his interview today, where he said he supports black lives matter and suggested that the prosecutor might have even been more unethical and sleazy if he were black, people are now saying that a black lives matter supporter shouldn't have attended a black lives matter protest if he didn't want to get attacked.


Of course he does. I am sure his coaches have taught him well.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:16 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yeah, well, he didn't do that.

And pursuant to his interview today, where he said he supports black lives matter and suggested that the prosecutor might have even been more unethical and sleazy if he were black, people are now saying that a black lives matter supporter shouldn't have attended a black lives matter protest if he didn't want to get attacked.


Of course he does. I am sure his coaches have taught him well.

To be fair, someone who keeps bandaging up protestors and treating their minor wounds (as testified to by the prosecution witnesses) is probably not hostile to the ideas behind the protest.
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Postby Menassa » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:17 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Of course he does. I am sure his coaches have taught him well.

To be fair, someone who keeps bandaging up protestors and treating their minor wounds (as testified to by the prosecution witnesses) is probably not hostile to the ideas behind the protest.

But what about that shirt your honor? Can I not talk about the shirt he wore? :p
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:19 pm

Galloism wrote:To be fair, someone who keeps bandaging up protestors and treating their minor wounds (as testified to by the prosecution witnesses) is probably not hostile to the ideas behind the protest.

And even if we accept the idea that this is a charade for the cameras - which I don’t, see my earlier remarks - “I disagree with what you say but will protect your ability to say it” is in itself a pretty admirable sentiment considering what political discourse looks like in the United States these days.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:20 pm

Menassa wrote:
Galloism wrote:To be fair, someone who keeps bandaging up protestors and treating their minor wounds (as testified to by the prosecution witnesses) is probably not hostile to the ideas behind the protest.

But what about that shirt your honor? Can I not talk about the shirt he wore? :p

His hideous fashion sense is a crime, but does not legally qualify as provocation under Wisconsin law.
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Postby Fahran » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:21 pm

Galloism wrote:
Menassa wrote:But what about that shirt your honor? Can I not talk about the shirt he wore? :p

His hideous fashion sense is a crime, but does not legally qualify as provocation under Wisconsin law.

I'd have agreed with the death penalty if this had been the crime in question.

This is a joke. I should not have to clarify that, but, apparently, y'all advocate death too much.

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:23 pm

Fahran wrote:
Galloism wrote:His hideous fashion sense is a crime, but does not legally qualify as provocation under Wisconsin law.

I'd have agreed with the death penalty if this had been the crime in question.

This is a joke. I should not have to clarify that, but, apparently, y'all advocate death too much.


I would long since have been put to death if it were a crime.... Hopefully with Thanksgiving near the riots in Portland do not get worse.
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Postby Fahran » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:24 pm

Neutraligon wrote:I would long since have been put to death if it were a crime.... Hopefully with Thanksgiving near the riots in Portland do not get worse.

I hope not. I pray you and yours stay safe, Neut. And everyone else besides.

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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:34 pm

Fahran wrote:
Galloism wrote:His hideous fashion sense is a crime, but does not legally qualify as provocation under Wisconsin law.

I'd have agreed with the death penalty if this had been the crime in question.

This is a joke. I should not have to clarify that, but, apparently, y'all advocate death too much.

I mean, it's a little hard to take death penalty opponents seriously when they buy products from the land of travelling execution vans that is China. It shouldn't be society's only way to prove they consider the defendant's actions heinous; it should be reserved for crimes that, on a crime-by-crime basis, can be proven to be something that can be deterred more than by life in prison; but thinking of the Beer Hall Putsch it definitely sounds like something that has a legitimate use.

I do agree that sometimes in people's most enraged moments they advocate executions that they quickly regret advocating, but that's what we have society and civilization for, not blanket bans on entire categories of punishment.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:50 pm

Kubra wrote:
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Made it better for Rittenhouse.
Not really, seeing as he ended up alone, shooting, and then in court.
First rule of riots: move as a group. Isolation is how bad things happen. That's a little more useful a tip than a gun.


He lived. His attackers were neutralized. Better than the alternatives.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:53 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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He defended himself from attack. Better than letting the scumbags beat or kill him.


Well? The first guy sounds like he had bad mental problems.

The other two?

Question: If you heard gun fire and saw the aftermath and don’t know what led to it; would you run or engage?

Neither. I would move to cover and observe, defending myself as need be.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:57 pm

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He defended himself from attack. Better than letting the scumbags beat or kill him.

He'd probably have been fine.


He insured that he was fine.
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Postby Holy Yeshua » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:16 pm

I’m seeing some right-wing wingers dropping their support for Rittenhouse after he expressed support for the Black Lives Matter movement.
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Postby Antipatros » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:31 pm

Holy Yeshua wrote:I’m seeing some right-wing wingers dropping their support for Rittenhouse after he expressed support for the Black Lives Matter movement.

You know the stereotypical "blue hair feminist SJW" that everyone liked to make fun of in like 2015? These guys are the right wing equivalent of that.

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Postby Kubra » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:38 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Kubra wrote: Not really, seeing as he ended up alone, shooting, and then in court.
First rule of riots: move as a group. Isolation is how bad things happen. That's a little more useful a tip than a gun.


He lived. His attackers were neutralized. Better than the alternatives.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:07 am

Holy Yeshua wrote:I’m seeing some right-wing wingers dropping their support for Rittenhouse after he expressed support for the Black Lives Matter movement.


They did not drop it when they learned Rosenbaum was not a BLM supporter ?
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Postby Polomon Islands » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:28 am

Holy Yeshua wrote:I’m seeing some right-wing wingers dropping their support for Rittenhouse after he expressed support for the Black Lives Matter movement.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm not ascribing blame at all, just speculating that Rittenhouse probably would have been fine without a gun.


But Rosenbaum wasn't a cop, so it's not particularly likely that any of the other people present would have just stood by and let him beat some little dweeb kid to death. Or at all. If a violent confrontation had broken out then most likely a load of people would have intervened to protect Rittenhouse and subdue Rosenbaum. Probably no one gets shot, everyone goes home alive.

Yet nobody came to Rittenhouse’s aid when he was originally attacked by Rosenbaum

No one rushed to help the guy with the gun? Huh.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:56 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Fahran wrote:I'd have agreed with the death penalty if this had been the crime in question.

This is a joke. I should not have to clarify that, but, apparently, y'all advocate death too much.


I would long since have been put to death if it were a crime.... Hopefully with Thanksgiving near the riots in Portland do not get worse.


What’s happening in Portland, my gods? They’ve been in an almost constant state of rioting for a year.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:06 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
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I would long since have been put to death if it were a crime.... Hopefully with Thanksgiving near the riots in Portland do not get worse.


What’s happening in Portland, my gods? They’ve been in an almost constant state of rioting for a year.

There was a riot the day the verdict was announced. Honestly it has been pretty quiet for a while until that happened.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:10 am

Neutraligon wrote:
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What’s happening in Portland, my gods? They’ve been in an almost constant state of rioting for a year.

There was a riot the day the verdict was announced. Honestly it has been pretty quiet for a while until that happened.


I hope it calms down again. Protesting I get, rioting not so much.
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Postby Sahin K » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:18 am

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Kid yeet'd 3 criminals and walked. Bliss.

Cope, seethe and riot BLM commies.

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Postby Fahran » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:34 am

Ifreann wrote:No one rushed to help the guy with the gun? Huh.

We're pondering a lot of ifs when the situation turned out as safely for Rittenhouse as it probably could have given he was assaulted by a man who had threatened to kill multiple people that night. PTSD is better than taking a serious beating from a larger ex-felon and a riled up mob - which likely would still lead to PTSD.
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