Do attacks on Liberal Icons Herald Doom of Democracy?

[The Black Forrest]

And yes he was a great man. The way he demolished a Republican attempt to defund public TV in typical Mr. Rogers fashion.

really want to see mri results for the type of guy who thinks the only thing about mr rogers worth noting is that one time he epicly pwned the repub magats

You won’t find one. Not many people know of that event now.

His show was wonderful. It was simple. You had a place where you weren’t judged. You are ok. For a young kid; it helped…..

[Nilokeras]

Pretty much every real person who has a statue is a shit heel though. (Even if you win the rat race you are still a rat). Maybe we just shouldn’t have statues of real people and have ones of the Greek pantheon instead, or alternatively semi-mythical historical figures.

so the solution is that we should tear down all the statues of shitheels and replace them with people who were not. simple.

[Hwiteard]

so the solution is that we should tear down all the statues of shitheels and replace them with people who were not. simple.

Such as...?

[Hukhalia]

so the solution is that we should tear down all the statues of shitheels and replace them with people who were not. simple.

Such as...?

lenin

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

Honestly I hate the BLM movement and before you call me a racist nazi no I don’t believe I white supremacy nor do I believe someone should be judged by their skin color however the way BLM does it, trashing icons in the name of “racial equality” is absolutely disgusting. However take my opinion with a grain of salt as apparently I’m a facist for voting for Trump.

[Ispravlennaja Tsekovija]

so the solution is that we should tear down all the statues of shitheels and replace them with people who were not. simple.

Such as...?

vladimir lenin, mao zedong, fidel castro, thomas sankara, sukarno, enver hoxha, should i keep going?

[Hwiteard]

Such as...?

lenin

So, a utopian mass murderer by proxy.

[Hukhalia]

lenin

So, a utopian mass murderer by proxy.

the central intelligence agency appreciates your support

[Senkaku]

lenin

So, a utopian mass murderer by proxy.

Is mass murder by proxy better or worse than child rape in person? Why don’t we just have some heroic animals and generic inspirational figures; like no one’s mad about Balto or Lady Liberty

[Ispravlennaja Tsekovija]

So, a utopian mass murderer by proxy.

Is mass murder by proxy better or worse than child rape in person? Why don’t we just have some heroic animals and generic inspirational figures; like no one’s mad about Balto or Lady Liberty

actually i do have a bone to pick with the statue of liberty. namely, it's french

[Nilokeras]

so the solution is that we should tear down all the statues of shitheels and replace them with people who were not. simple.

Such as...?

Like if we're going for Americans who actually deserve statues and represent important civic virtues, why not John Brown, Norman Borlaug, Harriet Tubman or Mother Jones? There are literally so many other people who did so much more good with their lives than centuries old waffling slave owners. The fact that we idolize people like Jefferson or even murderous evil people like Jackson over them is entirely down to cargo cultists like the OP.

[Hwiteard]

So, a utopian mass murderer by proxy.

Is mass murder by proxy better or worse than child rape in person?

Put them together and they make each other worse.

[Senkaku]

Is mass murder by proxy better or worse than child rape in person?

Put them together and they make each other worse.

What

[The V I C]

Honestly I hate the BLM movement and before you call me a racist nazi no I don’t believe I white supremacy nor do I believe someone should be judged by their skin color however the way BLM does it, trashing icons in the name of “racial equality” is absolutely disgusting. However take my opinion with a grain of salt as apparently I’m a facist for voting for Trump.

You claim you're not a racist or a fascist and yet voted for a guy whose campaign was like the new George Wallace. As an Arab person, it's hard for me to take your claim of truly not being racist seriously when you voted for a man who claimed thousands of people like me cheered in New Jersey on 9/11. Color me skeptical, but I don't think I owe it to you to try to understand why you voted for a guy who portrayed me, my family, my friends and people like us as public enemies. You have a right to your opinions of course, whatever they may be, but we have a right to decide we don't want statues of racists and hate mongers remaining up in our communities anymore. They didn't deserve the respect in the past or present.

[Hwiteard]

Put them together and they make each other worse.

What

Both are bad, but for different reasons. Sometimes, there are people who do both, like Lavrentiy Beria.

mao zedong, fidel castro, thomas sankara, sukarno, enver hoxha, should i keep going?

Butchers, all.

[Uan aa Boa]

Do attacks on Liberal Icons Herald Doom of Democracy?

No, of course they don't. It's perfectly natural and healthy for the interpretation of history to be continually contested and revisited. No historical figure is flawless or beyond reproach, and putting them either literally or metaphorically on pedestals and declaring them immune from criticism seems to me to be in itself profoundly illiberal.

In the last couple of years we've reached a point where "He owned slaves but was a good guy" no longer cuts it and fewer people are willing to look beyond the simple fact that Jefferson and other celebrated figures owned slaves or were tangled up in slavery and colonialism. I've often wondered how, assuming he was being sincere when he wrote that it was self-evident that all men are created equal, Jefferson managed to compartmentalise his worldview. He ended the international slave trade into America, but he didn't free his own slaves. An important figure but clearly not a saint, and there seems little point in pretending otherwise.

[Dollystana]

14 pages of basically nothing. God, what has this world become. THEY'RE LITERAL STATUES FOR SHREK'S SAKE

[The Military State of the Galapagos]

Honestly I hate the BLM movement and before you call me a racist nazi no I don’t believe I white supremacy nor do I believe someone should be judged by their skin color however the way BLM does it, trashing icons in the name of “racial equality” is absolutely disgusting. However take my opinion with a grain of salt as apparently I’m a facist for voting for Trump.

You claim you're not a racist or a fascist and yet voted for a guy whose campaign was like the new George Wallace. As an Arab person, it's hard for me to take your claim of truly not being racist seriously when you voted for a man who claimed thousands of people like me cheered in New Jersey on 9/11. Color me skeptical, but I don't think I owe it to you to try to understand why you voted for a guy who portrayed me, my family, my friends and people like us as public enemies. You have a right to your opinions of course, whatever they may be, but we have a right to decide we don't want statues of racists and hate mongers remaining up in our communities anymore. They didn't deserve the respect in the past or present.

And I have no argument for that. Trump is not a great person, heck he is pretty awful in some aspects but at least he was not a puppet to the media or China. However you can’t just tear down a American hero because he did some things in the past, besides things have changed since then and it isn’t fair to judge him by today’s standards.

[Mercatus]

Thomas Jefferson raped Sally Hemmings, a 14 year old girl.

That's not why he is celebrated. Should we disband your church and spit on Catholicism due to pedo priests?

Not to mention it’s deep history with fascism.

[Necroghastia]

You claim you're not a racist or a fascist and yet voted for a guy whose campaign was like the new George Wallace. As an Arab person, it's hard for me to take your claim of truly not being racist seriously when you voted for a man who claimed thousands of people like me cheered in New Jersey on 9/11. Color me skeptical, but I don't think I owe it to you to try to understand why you voted for a guy who portrayed me, my family, my friends and people like us as public enemies. You have a right to your opinions of course, whatever they may be, but we have a right to decide we don't want statues of racists and hate mongers remaining up in our communities anymore. They didn't deserve the respect in the past or present.

And I have no argument for that. Trump is not a great person, heck he is pretty awful in some aspects but at least he was not a puppet to the media or China.

lmao get real he's putty in the hands of anyone who strokes his ego

However you can’t just tear down a American hero because he did some things in the past, besides things have changed since then and it isn’t fair to judge him by today’s standards.

"you can't just tear down an American hero because he owned and raped slaves, something that contradicts the very ideas he's celebrated for! there was No One Whatsoever against slavery and rape in his day after all"

[Sundiata]

That's not why he is celebrated. Should we disband your church and spit on Catholicism due to pedo priests?

Not to mention it’s deep history with fascism.

Yeah, feel free to hold the church accountable. Let's do the same of historical figures, especially rapists like Thomas Jefferson.

[Vassenor]

You claim you're not a racist or a fascist and yet voted for a guy whose campaign was like the new George Wallace. As an Arab person, it's hard for me to take your claim of truly not being racist seriously when you voted for a man who claimed thousands of people like me cheered in New Jersey on 9/11. Color me skeptical, but I don't think I owe it to you to try to understand why you voted for a guy who portrayed me, my family, my friends and people like us as public enemies. You have a right to your opinions of course, whatever they may be, but we have a right to decide we don't want statues of racists and hate mongers remaining up in our communities anymore. They didn't deserve the respect in the past or present.

And I have no argument for that. Trump is not a great person, heck he is pretty awful in some aspects but at least he was not a puppet to the media or China. However you can’t just tear down a American hero because he did some things in the past, besides things have changed since then and it isn’t fair to judge him by today’s standards.

Trump spent a good chunk of his time in office simping for Xi and wishing he could be just like him. He was absolutely a puppet for China.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And I have no argument for that. Trump is not a great person, heck he is pretty awful in some aspects but at least he was not a puppet to the media or China. However you can’t just tear down a American hero because he did some things in the past, besides things have changed since then and it isn’t fair to judge him by today’s standards.

Trump spent a good chunk of his time in office simping for Xi and wishing he could be just like him. He was absolutely a puppet for China.

Less puppet, more extremely useful idiot.

[MaxCorp]

You're probably the most unreasonable person I've met, to the point where you don't even look at the post I quoted. Maybe shut up and read before you make an epic roast on nobody.

No I looked at the post. Its clear to me that you think anything that doesn't drown out jefferson's flaws with "the good things he did" is unreasonable.

Yeah sure you did. I'm sure you also missed the person I quoted. Putting equal arguments for both sides, that's what they said. Unlike you, they're actually equally supporting both sides. It's something called centrism, sure it sounds dumb, but that's because everyone these days are extremists on both sides of the compass. Now continue arguing. I'm off. Don't expect me to reply to your epic response, you think it's because I gave up, no it's because I don't read half of the person's above comment and get triggered.

[Uan aa Boa]

However you can’t just tear down a American hero because he did some things in the past, besides things have changed since then and it isn’t fair to judge him by today’s standards.

So in a single sentence Jefferson is a hero, but it's impossible for us to morally evaluate him? Which of these contradictory claims do you want to go with? His hero status is also based on the fact that "he did some things in the past."