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Lady Victory
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Postby Lady Victory » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:22 am

Soviet Progonya wrote:Cereal goes before milk, so I can heat it up in the microwave and then put in the cereal. That way, the flakes don't get soggy.

Also apparently people eat cereal with cold milk in some countries, which is pretty wild lmao.


What kind of monstrous, uncultured savage eats warm cereal????
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:22 am

Haganham wrote:The capital gains tax should be eliminated and gains should be taxed the same way a regular income.

"tax cut for the rich"
NOPE. The capital gains tax caps out at 15%. The top marginal rate is 40%. The Rich should be paying at least 25% more on their capital gains.

However there's an added benefit. Because capital gains are treated differently from dividends there's an incentive for stockholders to prioritize gains over dividends, and thus an incentive for companies to reinvest profits into growth rather then distributing it to shareholders. Encouraging companies to pursue profitability over growth should create for a more competitive and more stable economy.

Growth is what provides new jobs
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Wizlandia
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Postby Wizlandia » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:43 am

Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine are grossly overrated as political theorists/American founding fathers.

James Madison > Jefferson and Paine.

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Haganham
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Postby Haganham » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:44 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Haganham wrote:The capital gains tax should be eliminated and gains should be taxed the same way a regular income.

"tax cut for the rich"
NOPE. The capital gains tax caps out at 15%. The top marginal rate is 40%. The Rich should be paying at least 25% more on their capital gains.

However there's an added benefit. Because capital gains are treated differently from dividends there's an incentive for stockholders to prioritize gains over dividends, and thus an incentive for companies to reinvest profits into growth rather then distributing it to shareholders. Encouraging companies to pursue profitability over growth should create for a more competitive and more stable economy.

Growth is what provides new jobs

Economic growth creates new jobs, not the growth of already successful companies. That just consolidates existing ones while creating a less competitive hiring market, meaning worse jobs. This is why we have a simultaneous "labor shortage" while the largest employers don't even need to offer enough to live on.

Of course you know what's really great for workers? An economic depression every decade.
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Wizlandia
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Postby Wizlandia » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:54 am

Haganham wrote:The capital gains tax should be eliminated and gains should be taxed the same way a regular income.

"tax cut for the rich"
NOPE. The capital gains tax caps out at 15%. The top marginal rate is 40%. The Rich should be paying at least 25% more on their capital gains.

However there's an added benefit. Because capital gains are treated differently from dividends there's an incentive for stockholders to prioritize gains over dividends, and thus an incentive for companies to reinvest profits into growth rather then distributing it to shareholders. Encouraging companies to pursue profitability over growth should create for a more competitive and more stable economy.

Even hotter take: Tax on capital income should either be zero or near zero (bc of Chamley-Judd).

We should fully transition to a Progressive Consumption Tax. Something like the Bradford X-Tax can mimic current level of progressivity in the tax system, while taxing solely consumption.

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Restored England
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Postby Restored England » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:00 am

Actually, the main source of revenue should be luxury taxes under sumptuary laws imposed heavily on the rich. Austerity and sacrifice are too often imposed by sanctimonious elites upon the masses. I say that it’s high time that these prophets of cruelty and severity practice what they preach.
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:20 am

Lady Victory wrote:
Soviet Progonya wrote:Cereal goes before milk, so I can heat it up in the microwave and then put in the cereal. That way, the flakes don't get soggy.

Also apparently people eat cereal with cold milk in some countries, which is pretty wild lmao.


What kind of monstrous, uncultured savage eats warm cereal????

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Postby Free Ravensburg » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:21 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
What kind of monstrous, uncultured savage eats warm cereal????

Devil's advocate: can one not make the same argument with hot cold chocolate?

That’s just chocolate milk. My stomache would not handle it.
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Wizlandia
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Postby Wizlandia » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:25 am

Blue Florentine wrote:Joe Biden is a fucking turkey. One of my neighbors is legit scared about her upcoming student loan payments. She has been having a hard time getting a job (don't major in sociology!), can barely make ends meet for herself with her current one, and that damn turkey in the White House won't help her and millions of others like her with a simple flick of a pen. Fuck him!

Student debt forgiveness is just a handout to expensive private colleges and the people who attend them, whom tend to be well-off people in their twenties/early-thirties. It is not an investment (despite what lefties like Warren will say) and also creates moral hazards for the future. Also, don’t (solely) major in sociology.

That being said, I’m in support of some type of bankruptcy reform for student debt, and allowing “human capital”-equity type financing in college. Also open to the idea of State regulation of tuition fees.
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Kerwa
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Postby Kerwa » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:26 am

Lady Victory wrote:
Soviet Progonya wrote:Cereal goes before milk, so I can heat it up in the microwave and then put in the cereal. That way, the flakes don't get soggy.

Also apparently people eat cereal with cold milk in some countries, which is pretty wild lmao.


What kind of monstrous, uncultured savage eats warm cereal????


Scottish people.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:27 am

Haganham wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Growth is what provides new jobs

Economic growth creates new jobs, not the growth of already successful companies. That just consolidates existing ones while creating a less competitive hiring market, meaning worse jobs. This is why we have a simultaneous "labor shortage" while the largest employers don't even need to offer enough to live on.

Of course you know what's really great for workers? An economic depression every decade.

Yes, nothing like throwing 10's of millions of people out of work for their own good

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Free Ravensburg
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Postby Free Ravensburg » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:27 am

Kerwa wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
What kind of monstrous, uncultured savage eats warm cereal????


Scottish people.

Oat meal is considered a hot cereal. So me.
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Postby Liebendeland » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:09 am

Soviet Progonya wrote:Cereal goes before milk, so I can heat it up in the microwave and then put in the cereal. That way, the flakes don't get soggy.

Also apparently people eat cereal with cold milk in some countries, which is pretty wild lmao.


Wait, what? You guys... put warm milk in cereal? That has to be a war crime...
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Postby The Kingdom of the Three Isles » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:40 pm

Nolo gap wrote:
Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:The bible does not recognize other religions.

"the bible" (which was written entirely by humans, for entirely human reasons), IS NOT THEIR PROBLEM.

goodness and the desire to be feared, are absolute binary opposites (and it don't get any more simple then that)

gods, should they choose to exist, owe nothing, to anything humans tell each other, to pretend they know about them.

(would they, or it, be that much of a god if they did?)

Of course, you can have your opinion…
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Postby Menassa » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:27 pm

Anyone with a working larynx can make the Kh sound in Chanukah. Everyone who refuses to is both lazy and microagressing me.
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Postby Mayhem Era France » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:19 am

Haggis was invented by the Scots to so disgust the English that they would leave Scotland alone. Not to be outdone, the English countered with kidney pie.
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Postby Hemakral » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:24 am

Wage-based work as a source of meaning is a creation of the capitalist system to increase productivity and compliance. The only work worth doing is that which the individual chooses; everything else is just slavery with extra steps.
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Postby Restored England » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:46 am

Islam must be banned in all Western countries and Muslims given 90 days to become apostate or leave, never to return. Naturally, no Muslim immigration shall be permitted, either.
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Postby Free Ravensburg » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:47 am

Restored England wrote:Islam must be banned in all Western countries and Muslims given 90 days to become apostate or leave, never to return. Naturally, no Muslim immigration shall be permitted, either.

The fug. No.
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Postby Menassa » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:51 am

Restored England wrote:Islam must be banned in all Western countries and Muslims given 90 days to become apostate or leave, never to return. Naturally, no Muslim immigration shall be permitted, either.

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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:59 am

Restored England wrote:Islam must be banned in all Western countries and Muslims given 90 days to become apostate or leave, never to return. Naturally, no Muslim immigration shall be permitted, either.


That's not a hot take... That's just straight up racism.
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Postby Restored England » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:59 am

Menassa wrote:
Restored England wrote:Islam must be banned in all Western countries and Muslims given 90 days to become apostate or leave, never to return. Naturally, no Muslim immigration shall be permitted, either.

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Oh, I would abolish Christianity, too, but it’s thankfully in decline already. I would leave the Jews be because they don’t proselytize. They keep their version of Jehovah to themselves. It’s Islam that is too aggressive in spreading its mythology and slave morality to the masses.
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Postby Restored England » Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:01 am

Just-An-Illusion wrote:
Restored England wrote:Islam must be banned in all Western countries and Muslims given 90 days to become apostate or leave, never to return. Naturally, no Muslim immigration shall be permitted, either.


That's not a hot take... That's just straight up racism.


Since when is Islam a race? I don’t care about their race, just their aggressive proselytizing, their mythology, and their slave morality. Apostates of all races should be welcomed with open arms. In fact, we should actively encourage more atheists to emigrate to the West and abolish any restrictions remaining against them.
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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:02 am

Here's another hot take:

Abolishing religion is fascism.
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Postby Just-An-Illusion » Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:03 am

Restored England wrote:
Just-An-Illusion wrote:
That's not a hot take... That's just straight up racism.


Since when is Islam a race? I don’t care about their race, just their aggressive proselytizing, their mythology, and their slave morality. Apostates of all races should be welcomed with open arms.


You literally said that Muslims shouldn't be allowed to immigrate.
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