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Roma Occidentalis
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Roma Occidentalis » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:46 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Keemstar wrote:Hot take,

Mormons are ideal Christians big family, young, high birth rate, extremely loyal, traditional family, ready to spread their message at a young age,

Mainstream sects could learn a lot from the Mormons I'm not even Mormon


They deny the Trinity and believe that Joseph Smith contributed more to humanity than Jesus Christ. They are not Christians.


I would describe them as Christian heretics, but I don't consider them to be exactly pagans. As a pagan myself, I wouldn't associate my faith with them.

It should be noted that the Trinity was a relatively late invention of the era of Constantine. There is no basis to assume that it was standard Christian dogma prior to the Council of Nicaea.
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Prima Scriptura
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Prima Scriptura » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:53 pm

Roma Occidentalis wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:
They deny the Trinity and believe that Joseph Smith contributed more to humanity than Jesus Christ. They are not Christians.


I would describe them as Christian heretics, but I don't consider them to be exactly pagans. As a pagan myself, I wouldn't associate my faith with them.

It should be noted that the Trinity was a relatively late invention of the era of Constantine. There is no basis to assume that it was standard Christian dogma prior to the Council of Nicaea.



I would say that a true Christian must affirm the Nicene creed. Anything else is heterodox.
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Free Algerstonia
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Free Algerstonia » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:19 pm

hot take: the ghost of kyiv was no fighter jet, it was an intervention coming from a higher power in the heavens to support ukraine and soon earth will be a warzone between hell and heaven
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Malaiya Union
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Right-wing Utopia

Postby Malaiya Union » Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:10 pm

How this pandemic developed, especially around its antivax movements, has exposed what I think would be a truly horrifying worst-case pandemic scenario: a disease as infectious as COVID that kills slowly. Something like an aerial HIV - life expectancy for an untreated HIV is around 11 years. Or of very low lethality rate, but universally causes significant life-long disability akin to long covid, especially if they develop slowly.

We don't know if there is a disease, or more concerningly a future bioweapon, that has a 100% chance of lethality in a period of 10 years - enough to destroy entire societies. Or hell, do things like damage the brain, greatly reducing intelligence or even crippling cognitive functions. In such scenario there is a good chance that civilization will simply collapse with no one being unable to do anything in the critical moments.
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A scenario where the Chinese people took over Malaya and displaced its original inhabitants. Under the technocratic authoritarianism of Lee Kuan Yew and his "Kongsi government", the quasi-apartheid state had grown into a global industrial behemoth equal to Korea and Japan. Yet the specter of Maoism among poorer Chinese and extreme Islamism among Malays is ever-present...

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Page
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Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:14 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Roma Occidentalis wrote:
I would describe them as Christian heretics, but I don't consider them to be exactly pagans. As a pagan myself, I wouldn't associate my faith with them.

It should be noted that the Trinity was a relatively late invention of the era of Constantine. There is no basis to assume that it was standard Christian dogma prior to the Council of Nicaea.



I would say that a true Christian must affirm the Nicene creed. Anything else is heterodox.


So in the 300 years between Jesus and the Nicene Creed, there were no Christians?
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Stellar Colonies
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Mar 21, 2022 11:50 pm

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El Lazaro
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New York Times Democracy

Postby El Lazaro » Mon Mar 21, 2022 11:58 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Roma Occidentalis wrote:
I would describe them as Christian heretics, but I don't consider them to be exactly pagans. As a pagan myself, I wouldn't associate my faith with them.

It should be noted that the Trinity was a relatively late invention of the era of Constantine. There is no basis to assume that it was standard Christian dogma prior to the Council of Nicaea.



I would say that a true Christian must affirm the Nicene creed. Anything else is heterodox.

I wouldn’t go that far, but Mormonism is based entirely on stuff Joseph Smith made up rather than earlier prophets. We consider Christianity a new religion for adding one big prophet to Judaism and Islam another new religion to adding another big prophet (with a bit of revisionism) to Christianity. Christians are more Jewish than Mormons are Christian, so I’d only (maybe) call Mormons Christian if I called Muslims Christian, which would be pretty silly.
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Postby Page » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:12 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:

I would say that a true Christian must affirm the Nicene creed. Anything else is heterodox.

I wouldn’t go that far, but Mormonism is based entirely on stuff Joseph Smith made up rather than earlier prophets. We consider Christianity a new religion for adding one big prophet to Judaism and Islam another new religion to adding another big prophet (with a bit of revisionism) to Christianity. Christians are more Jewish than Mormons are Christian, so I’d only (maybe) call Mormons Christian if I called Muslims Christian, which would be pretty silly.


The most essential aspect of Christianity is belief in the titular Christ, and that that Christ is Jesus of Nazareth, which Mormons do believe. They believe Jesus was divine and died for everyone's sins and in doing so provided salvation.

I totally disagree with the assertion that Christianity is more Jewish than Mormonism is Christian. The Christian religion rejects some of the most important aspects of Judaism such as circumcision, and Christians largely hold that the laws of the Torah have been nullified. The "Great Commission" also implies that Jews are no longer a special chosen people following the death and resurrection of Jesus. It was very, very early in Christianity in which the majority of Christians broke away from the original apocalyptic Jewish sect of the apostles.
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Postby Page » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:49 pm

Absolutely no one has ever been "technically dead" or "dead for 2 minutes" or whatever. Death by definition is permanent and irrevocable. If your heart flatlined or you stopped breathing for a short time, you were never at any point dead, you were just having a very dangerous medical crisis. Only when your brain has been so starved off oxygen that absolutely nothing can ever make it function again are you dead.
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I don't believe in kink-shaming unless your kink is submitting to the state.

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Farnhamia
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Founded: Jun 20, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Farnhamia » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:34 pm

Page wrote:Absolutely no one has ever been "technically dead" or "dead for 2 minutes" or whatever. Death by definition is permanent and irrevocable. If your heart flatlined or you stopped breathing for a short time, you were never at any point dead, you were just having a very dangerous medical crisis. Only when your brain has been so starved off oxygen that absolutely nothing can ever make it function again are you dead.

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Holy Tedalonia
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:36 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Page wrote:Absolutely no one has ever been "technically dead" or "dead for 2 minutes" or whatever. Death by definition is permanent and irrevocable. If your heart flatlined or you stopped breathing for a short time, you were never at any point dead, you were just having a very dangerous medical crisis. Only when your brain has been so starved off oxygen that absolutely nothing can ever make it function again are you dead.

You never lived through the 14th century BCE in Scotland.

Or appreciated a good Monty Python skit for that matter.
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Postby Perikuresu » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:20 pm

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Malaiya Union
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Right-wing Utopia

Postby Malaiya Union » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:57 pm

The majority of top billionaires' wealth are largely nothing but the imagination of shareholders.
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A scenario where the Chinese people took over Malaya and displaced its original inhabitants. Under the technocratic authoritarianism of Lee Kuan Yew and his "Kongsi government", the quasi-apartheid state had grown into a global industrial behemoth equal to Korea and Japan. Yet the specter of Maoism among poorer Chinese and extreme Islamism among Malays is ever-present...

Glory to Ukraine | Hello! In this thought experiment, I aim to commit as much heresy against my IRL country and countrymen as possible. My solution is a Southeast Asia where the Chinese owns everything, destroy the environment, and ships all the natural wealth to Singapore. Indonesia is dissolved, PKI rules Java, and Islam is clamped down.

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Untecna
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Untecna » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:51 am

Malaiya Union wrote:The majority of top billionaires' wealth are largely nothing but the imagination of shareholders.

Elon Musk and his fanboys in a nutshell
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Free Ravensburg » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:55 am

Not even a hot take, but just want to get it off my wings:

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Left-Leaning College State

Postby United Valik » Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:36 am

Free Ravensburg wrote:Not even a hot take, but just want to get it off my wings:

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Prima Scriptura
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Prima Scriptura » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:51 am

Paleoconservativism is effectively locking yourself in the basement and never coming out.
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Postby United Valik » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:54 am

Prima Scriptura wrote:Paleoconservativism is effectively locking yourself in the basement and never coming out.


I'm no conservative of any stripe but what is your particular beef with paleo-cons? Their foreign and trade policy often makes some sense, more so than neo-cons at least.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:58 am

United Valik wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:Paleoconservativism is effectively locking yourself in the basement and never coming out.


I'm no conservative of any stripe but what is your particular beef with paleo-cons? Their foreign and trade policy often makes some sense, more so than neo-cons at least.


I disagree that they foreign policy make more sense. Reason why I criticize Paleoconservatism so much is because I believe it is a horrible foreign policy and does nothing to defend institutions that protect and uphold western civilization, and democracy. Isolationism Isn’t healthy if it’s practiced by an individual or by a country. We can’t be ignorant of world affairs and we cannot sit in a bubble.
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United Valik
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby United Valik » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:35 pm

Prima Scriptura wrote:
United Valik wrote:
I'm no conservative of any stripe but what is your particular beef with paleo-cons? Their foreign and trade policy often makes some sense, more so than neo-cons at least.


I disagree that they foreign policy make more sense. Reason why I criticize Paleoconservatism so much is because I believe it is a horrible foreign policy and does nothing to defend institutions that protect and uphold western civilization, and democracy. Isolationism Isn’t healthy if it’s practiced by an individual or by a country. We can’t be ignorant of world affairs and we cannot sit in a bubble.


We've tried interventionism in the past century and the results have been catastrophic. It's very regrettable that we got sucked into the Great War, because ever since, we've been trapped in a cycle of wars, proxy wars, coups, and sanctions. Not to mention serious blowback.
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Postby Port Caverton » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:08 pm

United Valik wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:Paleoconservativism is effectively locking yourself in the basement and never coming out.


I'm no conservative of any stripe but what is your particular beef with paleo-cons? Their foreign and trade policy often makes some sense, more so than neo-cons at least.

While taking jobs back from chinese kids is great, racism and letting people die at the other side of the world because "ItS nOt OuR pRoBlEm" is bad
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Postby United Valik » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:10 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
United Valik wrote:
I'm no conservative of any stripe but what is your particular beef with paleo-cons? Their foreign and trade policy often makes some sense, more so than neo-cons at least.

While taking jobs back from chinese kids is great, racism and letting people die at the other side of the world because "ItS nOt OuR pRoBlEm" is bad


What's racist about refusing to start fifty nation-building regime change wars again?
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Untecna
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Postby Untecna » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:11 pm

United Valik wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:Paleoconservativism is effectively locking yourself in the basement and never coming out.


I'm no conservative of any stripe but what is your particular beef with paleo-cons? Their foreign and trade policy often makes some sense, more so than neo-cons at least.

Because they are conservatives. Conservatism literally helps no one, not even the conservatives themselves.
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Postby Port Caverton » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:12 pm

United Valik wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:While taking jobs back from chinese kids is great, racism and letting people die at the other side of the world because "ItS nOt OuR pRoBlEm" is bad


What's racist about refusing to start fifty nation-building regime change wars again?

It's more their immigration policy that is racist. Also many paleocons are massive anti-semites.

Not to mention, they would let ukraine get colonized just because it's a country across the atlantic ocean. They're bad people.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:17 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
United Valik wrote:
What's racist about refusing to start fifty nation-building regime change wars again?

It's more their immigration policy that is racist. Also many paleocons are massive anti-semites.

Not to mention, they would let ukraine get colonized just because it's a country across the atlantic ocean. They're bad people.

I dont see you marching off to fight for Ukraine.
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