Racing Discussion II. It's light's out and away we go!

[Rick Perry]

Did y'all see that NASCAR race yesterday? Holy cow. It's like baby Daytona. NASCAR did something amazing here.

[Rick Perry]

Also saw that Bahrain race (F3 *cringe*) whatever day that was. Better then I expected.

[Rick Perry]

Charles La-car-t?
Charles eclair?
Charles Le-air?
Daniel Rich-ard-o

[Vassenor]

Le-clerk is generally the proper French pronunciation.

[Rick Perry]

Le-clerk is generally the proper French pronunciation.

It's quite fun to figure out peoples last names.

[Rick Perry]

I think this le-kert dude is points leader.

[The Two Jerseys]

Mick Schumacher got his bell rung after crashing in Q2.

[Rick Perry]

Mick Schumacher got his bell rung after crashing in Q2.

Well. Haas did decent in lest race qualifying.

[Vassenor]

Mick Schumacher got his bell rung after crashing in Q2.

Well. Haas did decent in lest race qualifying.

P8 and P14 is still decent even if Mick stacked it afterwards.

He is going to have to miss the race tomorrow though.

[Rick Perry]

Well. Haas did decent in lest race qualifying.

P8 and P14 is still decent even if Mick stacked it afterwards.

He is going to have to miss the race tomorrow though.

It must be tough for the teams like haas. They do their best but unfortunately 2 million dollars doesn't go far when it comes to F1

[Rick Perry]

How was the race? (F1)

[Rick Perry]

The battle for the win was sick

[Rick Perry]

NASCAR race at COTA was pretty good

[Rick Perry]

I watched the Richmond race last night. I also watched the highlights of the MOTO GP race. Unfortunately I can't watch F1 this year because of reasons I can't explain.
#LowerClassLife

[Rick Perry]

Me personally not a big fan of the Playoffs. I think NASCAR Should do what IMSA or Formula1 is doing and have a unique points race with out the whole elimination process

They flipped out when Mark Martin won a championship by simply finishing consistently in the top 10 but not racking up a lot of wins combined with the fact that the championships were often decided by the last few races which they were worried depressed viewership as if the people watching the Firecracker 600 were going "oooo, I'm gonna see someone score some championship points" instead of, you know...wanting to see a race.

As you pointed out, every other series has stuck with the points, even though F1 generally has their championship tied up with two to three races to go. With the constantly shifting categories in IMSA championships can sometimes be decided halfway through the season. Yet, the races are still exciting. Don't know why that wasn't good enough for NASCAR. Whatever else they have going on, they have some of the closest racing going. Races can be won by any of a dozen drivers and they often come down to the last lap with cars side by side. Just lean into what you're good at, NASCAR, and quit trying to act like ball sports. You don't have 'playoffs' because everyone is competing on the same field at the same time...dumb...

Preaching to the choir, I know. Sorry.

Reading older comments

You know. I dislike the "Win and In" playoffs for NASCAR, mostly because like you said Mark finished in the top 10 the whole season and one the thing. Theoretically If I raced in NASCAR and one season we had the "Win and In" playoffs and then we had "The Chase" playoffs. And I finished each one of those in the top 5 and was the most consistent driver in the field I'm only going to win one championship.
Heck I wouldn't complain if they took away the playoffs. Just do what F1 does.


Also I want to build a race track in Ukraine so bad. I have always wanted to build a race track.

[Rick Perry]

Bristol dirt is tomorrow!

[Cannot think of a name]

They flipped out when Mark Martin won a championship by simply finishing consistently in the top 10 but not racking up a lot of wins combined with the fact that the championships were often decided by the last few races which they were worried depressed viewership as if the people watching the Firecracker 600 were going "oooo, I'm gonna see someone score some championship points" instead of, you know...wanting to see a race.

As you pointed out, every other series has stuck with the points, even though F1 generally has their championship tied up with two to three races to go. With the constantly shifting categories in IMSA championships can sometimes be decided halfway through the season. Yet, the races are still exciting. Don't know why that wasn't good enough for NASCAR. Whatever else they have going on, they have some of the closest racing going. Races can be won by any of a dozen drivers and they often come down to the last lap with cars side by side. Just lean into what you're good at, NASCAR, and quit trying to act like ball sports. You don't have 'playoffs' because everyone is competing on the same field at the same time...dumb...

Preaching to the choir, I know. Sorry.

Reading older comments

You know. I dislike the "Win and In" playoffs for NASCAR, mostly because like you said Mark finished in the top 10 the whole season and one the thing. Theoretically If I raced in NASCAR and one season we had the "Win and In" playoffs and then we had "The Chase" playoffs. And I finished each one of those in the top 5 and was the most consistent driver in the field I'm only going to win one championship.
Heck I wouldn't complain if they took away the playoffs. Just do what F1 does.


Also I want to build a race track in Ukraine so bad. I have always wanted to build a race track.

I have a soft spot for consistency, I was almost always in the top five but rarely on the podium. I started calling myself 'the best of the also-rans'.


Would have been nice to find out my kart was bent earlier than say...two years after I stopped racing, but hey.

I did help design a track and my brother actually built it. Despite the fact that him and my dad were perpetually bordering on choking each other out, it's still a fond memory for him because he tweaked it to challenge himself (he, unlike me, practically lived on the podium. If he had been able to get on with my dad or found another sponsor he could have at least made a go at professional racing. Even when he went to the nationals there were few who could even keep up with him)

I mean, he's a professional musician with his own music store now, he didn't end up with a boring life. But he could have also been a race car driver. Maybe. Always maybe.

[Rick Perry]

Reading older comments

You know. I dislike the "Win and In" playoffs for NASCAR, mostly because like you said Mark finished in the top 10 the whole season and one the thing. Theoretically If I raced in NASCAR and one season we had the "Win and In" playoffs and then we had "The Chase" playoffs. And I finished each one of those in the top 5 and was the most consistent driver in the field I'm only going to win one championship.
Heck I wouldn't complain if they took away the playoffs. Just do what F1 does.


Also I want to build a race track in Ukraine so bad. I have always wanted to build a race track.

I have a soft spot for consistency, I was almost always in the top five but rarely on the podium. I started calling myself 'the best of the also-rans'.

Consistency is key. However you may need more then consistency to beat Lewis but who knows.

[Cannot think of a name]

I have a soft spot for consistency, I was almost always in the top five but rarely on the podium. I started calling myself 'the best of the also-rans'.

Consistency is key. However you may need more then consistency to beat Lewis but who knows.

Well, I was no Lewis. I wasn't even Jeff Gordon...I know because he started with me at the same track. Kind of easy to see you're not headed for the big leagues when you have the front row seat to a future four time champion.

[Rick Perry]

Consistency is key. However you may need more then consistency to beat Lewis but who knows.

Well, I was no Lewis. I wasn't even Jeff Gordon...I know because he started with me at the same track. Kind of easy to see you're not headed for the big leagues when you have the front row seat to a future four time champion.

I kinda wanted to do F1 but realised that I'm 10 years past that.

[Vassenor]

Well, I was no Lewis. I wasn't even Jeff Gordon...I know because he started with me at the same track. Kind of easy to see you're not headed for the big leagues when you have the front row seat to a future four time champion.

I kinda wanted to do F1 but realised that I'm 10 years past that.

And almost certainly not anywhere near rich enough.

[Rick Perry]

I kinda wanted to do F1 but realised that I'm 10 years past that.

And almost certainly not anywhere near rich enough.

Yeah. I'll stick with NASCAR

[Rick Perry]

I'll try Mazda Road to indy. That be cool.

[Cannot think of a name]

And almost certainly not anywhere near rich enough.

Yeah. I'll stick with NASCAR

The advantage to NASCAR and IRL is there is a pretty clear feeder path that can be done at the grassroots level, but it's still not for the poors. (another thing that derailed my racing, as an adult I was the poors)

Running modifieds still requires the car, racing engines, tires, repairs, a truck to pull it to events, a crew to keep it on the track (I was the crew on a car for exactly one day, he blew his engine and was out the rest of the season because he didn't have a replacement).

The spec series are a little better because they're arrive and drive, but they're not cheap. Even karting, which is the cheapest form there is, really, is still putting out a few thousand dollars getting your rig together. Most clubs have season long tires so that's nice.

You can race Formula 4 in the US now, supposed to help create a ladder to F1 for Americans since we've had only Phil Hill and Mario Andretti.

As a kid, with kid like dreams where scale is meaningless, I wanted the triple crown (Le Mans, Monaco, Indy 500), but the series I wanted was GTP. You can get to sports car via club racing (SCCA/NASA) where you're either buying a $30,000 spec Miata or something like that.

Money is such a huge barrier to racing at any level, more so than most other sports.

At one point I had heard (but not seen myself) that there was a program where you could trade wrench time for seat time in the Skip Barber series. There's also now apparently an iRacing Skip Barber series.

[Rick Perry]

Yeah. I'll stick with NASCAR

The advantage to NASCAR and IRL is there is a pretty clear feeder path that can be done at the grassroots level, but it's still not for the poors. (another thing that derailed my racing, as an adult I was the poors)

Running modifieds still requires the car, racing engines, tires, repairs, a truck to pull it to events, a crew to keep it on the track (I was the crew on a car for exactly one day, he blew his engine and was out the rest of the season because he didn't have a replacement).

The spec series are a little better because they're arrive and drive, but they're not cheap. Even karting, which is the cheapest form there is, really, is still putting out a few thousand dollars getting your rig together. Most clubs have season long tires so that's nice.

You can race Formula 4 in the US now, supposed to help create a ladder to F1 for Americans since we've had only Phil Hill and Mario Andretti.

As a kid, with kid like dreams where scale is meaningless, I wanted the triple crown (Le Mans, Monaco, Indy 500), but the series I wanted was GTP. You can get to sports car via club racing (SCCA/NASA) where you're either buying a $30,000 spec Miata or something like that.

Money is such a huge barrier to racing at any level, more so than most other sports.

At one point I had heard (but not seen myself) that there was a program where you could trade wrench time for seat time in the Skip Barber series. There's also now apparently an iRacing Skip Barber series.

IRacing, there we go. That seems a little more realistic money wise.