Slave owner, murderer gets 10 years in jail

[Senkaku]

So you think that they should be tortured to death but that we should export the problem so we can keep our hands clean?

I honestly don't care what happens to her once she's back in Iraq. Fundamentally, what we've allowed to happen is this:

Deranged fuckwits like the woman in question are coming from the west, doing shit like this, and then coming back for a much more lenient sentence than they would've got at the hands of, say, the literal government they committed these crimes under. It's not fair to the people of Germany that in ten years this monster will be running around free again, and it's not fair to the Iraqis that we exported her to.

Send her back, and let her go through the Iraqi justice system instead.

Yeah, but that’s not what you said, is it? Omission, implication, and allusion are all important components in creating meaning, as I’m sure you’re well aware— and you made the intentional choice to vaguely allude to “what she deserves” instead of explicitly laying out your thoughts on which jurisdiction she should be subject to. Trying to backtrack now is just chickenshit, if you’re going to come here to do macho shitposts about how people deserve to be tortured then at least have the spine to commit to it fully when pressed instead of backing down and going “Um actually I just meant she should be tried in an Iraqi court!!”

[Dreria]

You literally just said we should “let [the YPG] deal with them how they see fit,” and you’re suggesting I’m crazy for calling out the torture innuendo? You’re both saying you’d be fine with her being tortured to death. If you can’t wrap your mind around why that’s wrong and want to double down on denying you even said it, fine.

This is the first time I have heard the YPG being accused of wholesale torture.
How they see fit would probably amount to a death sentence, not a drawn-out death.

You are being rather prejudiced about the Kurds here.

capital punishment is not allowed in the AANES.

[South Reinkalistan]

I honestly don't care what happens to her once she's back in Iraq. Fundamentally, what we've allowed to happen is this:

Deranged fuckwits like the woman in question are coming from the west, doing shit like this, and then coming back for a much more lenient sentence than they would've got at the hands of, say, the literal government they committed these crimes under. It's not fair to the people of Germany that in ten years this monster will be running around free again, and it's not fair to the Iraqis that we exported her to.

Send her back, and let her go through the Iraqi justice system instead.


I'm not really a fascist. If being heavy-handed about the facts delineated above is "fascist", then I guess I'm Hitler.

You know what the Iraqi government would do to her though. You'd be sending her back in the full knowledge of that, you can't pretend to be ignorant.

really not my problem. the imperialist mindset that we're allowed to take terrorists from these places and deal with them in our enlightened way (as opposed to those ebil brown people and their nasty arab governments) is incredibly poisonous and is starting to define the fallout regarding the war on terror.

[Roegerland]

Well he joined and fought for an Islamist terrorist group so.... Yeah?

They why the hell did they rescue an enemy soldier? Rescue, not imprison and ask if he knows something interesting about his terrorist pals.

Questions that need answering for sure.

[South Reinkalistan]

I honestly don't care what happens to her once she's back in Iraq. Fundamentally, what we've allowed to happen is this:

Deranged fuckwits like the woman in question are coming from the west, doing shit like this, and then coming back for a much more lenient sentence than they would've got at the hands of, say, the literal government they committed these crimes under. It's not fair to the people of Germany that in ten years this monster will be running around free again, and it's not fair to the Iraqis that we exported her to.

Send her back, and let her go through the Iraqi justice system instead.

Yeah, but that’s not what you said, is it? Omission, implication, and allusion are all important components in creating meaning, as I’m sure you’re well aware— and you made the intentional choice to vaguely allude to “what she deserves” instead of explicitly laying out your thoughts on which jurisdiction she should be subject to. Trying to backtrack now is just chickenshit, if you’re going to come here to do macho shitposts about how people deserve to be tortured then at least have the spine to commit to it fully when pressed instead of backing down and going “Um actually I just meant she should be tried in an Iraqi court!!”

all i can read from this is that you're trying to ascribe meaning to something vague and basically presume things about what i actually believe in

this is not really a good basis by which to get an argument through. ideally nobody gets tortured but she'd get something much closer to "justice" in iraq than she would in germany.

[Cali4nia]

This is the first time I have heard the YPG being accused of wholesale torture.
How they see fit would probably amount to a death sentence, not a drawn-out death.

You are being rather prejudiced about the Kurds here.

They’re suggesting a woman be turned over to a militia to “deal with them how they see fit,” and you’re here to smirk at me about how you’re sure that the noble Kurds would never ever abuse a prisoner? They’re trying to say they want her tortured without getting smacked for trolling lmao it’s not that complicated

You are acting rather triggered. Let´s try and cool this thing down.

You don´t know that many Kurds. You therefore cannot KNOW what they would do to a prisoner. Suspect, surmise, postulate, propose, yes. But knowing: no.

It is reasonable that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, Kurds don´t commit wholesale war crimes / crimes against humanity. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

So unless you have information to share about the Kurds, I will not assume that Kurds torture their prisoners.

As for knowing what other replies imply: can you really read the minds of their authors, or are less extreme interpretations possible / even likely? Not everybody advocating for trial in the region is a troll. Not everybody disgusted by the lenient sentence is a borderline troll.

Fair enough?

(edited for spelling mistakes.)

[CoraSpia]

You know what the Iraqi government would do to her though. You'd be sending her back in the full knowledge of that, you can't pretend to be ignorant.

really not my problem. the imperialist mindset that we're allowed to take terrorists from these places and deal with them in our enlightened way (as opposed to those ebil brown people and their nasty arab governments) is incredibly poisonous and is starting to define the fallout regarding the war on terror.

We're allowed to take our own citizens, some would even say we have a duty to.

[-Astoria-]

Not true. He was born in Manchester. His parents ran from Gaddafi.

Yes true. He was born in Manchester but both he, his brother, and his father joined and fought for Islamist terrorists in Libya and he was returned to the UK by the Royal Navy. I wasn't even talking about his birth place...

Abedi's father was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, a Salafi jihadist organisation proscribed by the United Nations, and father and son fought for the group in Libya in 2011 as part of the movement to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. Abedi's parents, both born in Tripoli, remained in Libya in 2011, while 17-year-old Abedi returned to live in the United Kingdom. He took a gap year in 2014, where he returned with his brother Hashem to Libya to live with his parents. Abedi was injured in Ajdabiya that year while fighting for an Islamist group. The brothers were rescued from Tripoli by the Royal Navy survey ship HMS Enterprise in August 2014 as part of a group of 110 British citizens as the Libyan civil war erupted, taken to Malta and flown back to the UK.

[Sky Reavers]

Either way, if she deserves death, it should be a quick and clean death. Just, but not cruel.

[South Reinkalistan]

really not my problem. the imperialist mindset that we're allowed to take terrorists from these places and deal with them in our enlightened way (as opposed to those ebil brown people and their nasty arab governments) is incredibly poisonous and is starting to define the fallout regarding the war on terror.

We're allowed to take our own citizens, some would even say we have a duty to.

so basically our "own citizens" are allowed to go abroad, commit crimes against humanity, and then get tried by our justice systems instead?

fucking barbaric

[Senkaku]

You don´t know that many Kurds.

I will bet you $10 that I know more Kurds than you lol

[The New California Republic]

Not everybody disgusted by the lenient sentence is a borderline troll.

Sure, not everybody, but a fair few, given the number of reports concerning this thread...

[CoraSpia]

We're allowed to take our own citizens, some would even say we have a duty to.

so basically our "own citizens" are allowed to go abroad, commit crimes against humanity, and then get tried by our justice systems instead?

fucking barbaric

Yes, because they're our citizens, as in our problem. We bear the expense of dealing with them.

[Roegerland]

Yes true. He was born in Manchester but both he, his brother, and his father joined and fought for Islamist terrorists in Libya and he was returned to the UK by the Royal Navy. I wasn't even talking about his birth place...

Abedi's father was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, a Salafi jihadist organisation proscribed by the United Nations, and father and son fought for the group in Libya in 2011 as part of the movement to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. Abedi's parents, both born in Tripoli, remained in Libya in 2011, while 17-year-old Abedi returned to live in the United Kingdom. He took a gap year in 2014, where he returned with his brother Hashem to Libya to live with his parents. Abedi was injured in Ajdabiya that year while fighting for an Islamist group. The brothers were rescued from Tripoli by the Royal Navy survey ship HMS Enterprise in August 2014 as part of a group of 110 British citizens as the Libyan civil war erupted, taken to Malta and flown back to the UK.

Ah, thank you.

[Dreria]

You know what the Iraqi government would do to her though. You'd be sending her back in the full knowledge of that, you can't pretend to be ignorant.

really not my problem. the imperialist mindset that we're allowed to take terrorists from these places and deal with them in our enlightened way (as opposed to those ebil brown people and their nasty arab governments) is incredibly poisonous and is starting to define the fallout regarding the war on terror.

The “nasty Arab governments” are usually very glad have these people taken off their hands actually

[Senkaku]

Yeah, but that’s not what you said, is it? Omission, implication, and allusion are all important components in creating meaning, as I’m sure you’re well aware— and you made the intentional choice to vaguely allude to “what she deserves” instead of explicitly laying out your thoughts on which jurisdiction she should be subject to. Trying to backtrack now is just chickenshit, if you’re going to come here to do macho shitposts about how people deserve to be tortured then at least have the spine to commit to it fully when pressed instead of backing down and going “Um actually I just meant she should be tried in an Iraqi court!!”

all i can read from this is that you're trying to ascribe meaning to something vague and basically presume things about what i actually believe in

this is not really a good basis by which to get an argument through. ideally nobody gets tortured but she'd get something much closer to "justice" in iraq than she would in germany.

“It’s other people’s fault for not understanding and ascribing the correct meaning when I communicate badly”

[The Islands of Versilia]

really not my problem. the imperialist mindset that we're allowed to take terrorists from these places and deal with them in our enlightened way (as opposed to those ebil brown people and their nasty arab governments) is incredibly poisonous and is starting to define the fallout regarding the war on terror.

The “nasty Arab governments” are usually very glad have these people taken off their hands actually

A single bullet doesn’t cost much, so I don’t know what their complaints are about.

[Cali4nia]

Not everybody disgusted by the lenient sentence is a borderline troll.

Sure, not everybody, but a fair few, given the number of reports concerning this thread...

One of those reports was about me, so maybe some reports were unwarranted?

[Esternial]

Wonder what she's looking for so thoroughly in that binder, some inkling of basic human decency?

[Sky Reavers]

So, jurors, what is the consensus? How should she have been punished?

[The New California Republic]

Sure, not everybody, but a fair few, given the number of reports concerning this thread...

One of those reports was about me, so maybe some reports were unwarranted?

That's for the Mods to decide. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[South Reinkalistan]

so basically our "own citizens" are allowed to go abroad, commit crimes against humanity, and then get tried by our justice systems instead?

fucking barbaric

Yes, because they're our citizens, as in our problem. We bear the expense of dealing with them.

"The expense" here appears to be offering some woman a very lenient sentence for something committed on foreign soil.

really not my problem. the imperialist mindset that we're allowed to take terrorists from these places and deal with them in our enlightened way (as opposed to those ebil brown people and their nasty arab governments) is incredibly poisonous and is starting to define the fallout regarding the war on terror.

The “nasty Arab governments” are usually very glad have these people taken off their hands actually

ok and? it's still something she committed on iraqi soil lol

[-Astoria-]

The “nasty Arab governments” are usually very glad have these people taken off their hands actually

A single bullet doesn’t cost much, so I don’t know what their complaints are about.

If I remember correctly, rope has become a more popular option there — at least, if Iraq is any indication.

[CoraSpia]

Sure, not everybody, but a fair few, given the number of reports concerning this thread...

One of those reports was about me, so maybe some reports were unwarranted?

Are you accidentally posting with a puppet? It makes it easier to debate with people if they use their main accounts.

[Sky Reavers]

If I remember correctly, rope has become a more popular option there — at least, if Iraq is any indication.

Meanwhile, in Saudi Arabia, they chop the head off.