Slave owner, murderer gets 10 years in jail

[Dreria]

Were there any documented cases of ISIS terrorist changing his ways and redeeming himself?

Have any returning isis members committed a terrorist act upon their return? If no it appears the problem can be managed.

I like how you guys welcome home the jihadists but arrest the guys that fought against them

[Senkaku]

Were there any documented cases of ISIS terrorist changing his ways and redeeming himself?

"I suddenly see the error in my ways coimcidentally after the caliphate lost the war. Please let me back into Europe. Please don't let me die in this god forsaken desert."

We’re the ones who helped shape the society these people ended up feeling so alienated from that they ran away to become terrorists. We bear some collective responsibility for what they’ve chosen to do with their lives and the geopolitical situation that gave them the opportunity to go so badly astray; that means we have a responsibility to them— not necessarily to forgive, but at least to try and extend compassion even to them as we decide what punishments they should face.

[CoraSpia]

Is it going to bring the dead Yazidi girl back if another person gets tortured to death? What’s wrong with you?

"Person".

Yes. One of the things that separates us from the terrorists is a respect for human rights and dignity.

[The V I C]

tbh send this woman back to iraq and she'll get what she fucking deserves

Is it going to bring the dead Yazidi girl back if another person gets tortured to death? What’s wrong with you?

Virtue signaling about needing to be better than the terrorists won't bring her back. Thats for sure. I will say we are better than these people even if we execute them. We didn't execute them for their ethnicity or being the wrong religion. We didn't do it will a dull rusty knife. I find it to be disrespectful to victims of ISIS to suggest that if anti ISIS forces make captured war criminals face the wall, it's somehow equivalent to ISIS raping and murdering people for their faith. It has the same energy as saying that antifa and fascists are both equally bad. ISIS are scum. The best they deserve is to be exiled to Antarctica or sent to a desert island, and that's at best.

[The Cazistan]

Or maybe because of different jurisdictions.

Enthusiastic but ultimately powerless accomplice probably doesn’t deserve quite as harsh a punishment as the husband who actually made the call, I’d guess? Wouldn’t be shocking if she was also being abused to some degree, which doesn’t let her off the hook for it, but… I feel like it’s not a crazy assumption that if someone’s fucked up enough to convert and become an IS bride and then an enthusiastic enforcer, there’s probably underlying psychological factors at play— which might be possible to rehabilitate to some extent, but not on their own?

This is a really good point

[Senkaku]

Is it going to bring the dead Yazidi girl back if another person gets tortured to death? What’s wrong with you?

"Person".

If you’re fine with torturing certain people to death, what exactly makes you so much better?

[CoraSpia]

Have any returning isis members committed a terrorist act upon their return? If no it appears the problem can be managed.

I like how you guys welcome home the jihadists but arrest the guys that fought against them

The jihadists often get arrested as well. The issue is that they don't generally publicise what they've personally done, the people who fought against them do as they're expecting to be seen as heroes.

[The V I C]

"Person".

If you’re fine with torturing certain people to death, what exactly makes you so much better?

I haven't seen reinkalistan suggesting torture. Just saying.

Also he's better because he didn't rape and murder thousands of people from a vulnerable minority. We can start there for how he's better than jihadists.

[Sky Reavers]

tbh send this woman back to iraq and she'll get what she fucking deserves

I remmber back in school, I read a Ukrainian fable called, "Pike" (A fish one, not a spear), where this pike was on trial for her crimes. And the fox, who was her prosecutor and who recieved fishes this pike caught, offered to execute pike by drowning her in the river.

For this slaver lady, being sent to Iraq is like for a fish being thrown into the water.

[Senkaku]

Is it going to bring the dead Yazidi girl back if another person gets tortured to death? What’s wrong with you?

Virtue signaling about needing to be better than the terrorists won't bring her back. Thats for sure. I will say we are better than these people even if we execute them. We didn't execute them for their ethnicity or being the wrong religion. We didn't do it will a dull rusty knife. I find it to be disrespectful to victims of ISIS to suggest that if anti ISIS forces make captured war criminals face the wall, it's somehow equivalent to ISIS raping and murdering people for their faith. It has the same energy as saying that antifa and fascists are both equally bad. ISIS are scum. The best they deserve is to be exiled to Antarctica or sent to a desert island, and that's at best.

I’m not “virtue signaling about needing to be better than the terrorists,” I genuinely think it’s wrong to kill and torture people— all people. If you’re morally flexible on the subjects of murder and torture, I don’t think this dialogue is going to go anywhere.

[The Islands of Versilia]

It is very difficult to justify to my human nature why these abominable human beings are given devil’s advocates when they commit such heinous crimes. I very much wish they could just be left at the mercy of their victims or rotting behind Syrian or Iraqi bars. Jihadis and jihadi wives should not be so protected, let alone given such leniency.

[CoraSpia]

Enthusiastic but ultimately powerless accomplice probably doesn’t deserve quite as harsh a punishment as the husband who actually made the call, I’d guess? Wouldn’t be shocking if she was also being abused to some degree, which doesn’t let her off the hook for it, but… I feel like it’s not a crazy assumption that if someone’s fucked up enough to convert and become an IS bride and then an enthusiastic enforcer, there’s probably underlying psychological factors at play— which might be possible to rehabilitate to some extent, but not on their own?

This is a really good point

This only makes sense if it can be proven that she was literally in fear for her life if she did not act in the way she did. Other isis returnees have said that wives were expected to be submissive, raise children, cook and clean etc. I've not seen much suggesting that they were expected to partake in terrorist activity, however I'm happy to be proven wrong if you have other information.

[Senkaku]

If you’re fine with torturing certain people to death, what exactly makes you so much better?

I haven't seen reinkalistan suggesting torture. Just saying.

Also he's better because he didn't rape and murder thousands of people from a vulnerable minority. We can start there for how he's better than jihadists.

He said “send her back to Iraq so she can get what she fucking deserves,” implying she’d face brutal mob justice of the sort that’s been dispensed by anti-IS Iraqi paramilitaries and mobs. I’m not begrudging the Iraqi people their anger or saying Reinkalistan is just as bad as someone who’a actually committed murder, those are words you’re putting in my mouth.

[The V I C]

"I suddenly see the error in my ways coimcidentally after the caliphate lost the war. Please let me back into Europe. Please don't let me die in this god forsaken desert."

We’re the ones who helped shape the society these people ended up feeling so alienated from that they ran away to become terrorists. We bear some collective responsibility for what they’ve chosen to do with their lives and the geopolitical situation that gave them the opportunity to go so badly astray; that means we have a responsibility to them— not necessarily to forgive, but at least to try and extend compassion even to them as we decide what punishments they should face.

Fuck compassion. They killed innocent men women and kids. I feel zero sympathy for war criminals who kill women and children. I say hand them over to the YPG and let them deal with them however they see fit.

[Roegerland]

Were there any documented cases of ISIS terrorist changing his ways and redeeming himself?

Have any returning isis members committed a terrorist act upon their return? If no it appears the problem can be managed.

Yes, the Manchester arena bomber was actually "rescued" from Libya by the Royal Navy, obviously he was just there to plant trees and give out free sweets to poor children...

[The V I C]

I haven't seen reinkalistan suggesting torture. Just saying.

Also he's better because he didn't rape and murder thousands of people from a vulnerable minority. We can start there for how he's better than jihadists.

He said “send her back to Iraq so she can get what she fucking deserves,” implying she’d face brutal mob justice of the sort that’s been dispensed by anti-IS Iraqi paramilitaries and mobs. I’m not begrudging the Iraqi people their anger or saying Reinkalistan is just as bad as someone who’a actually committed murder, those are words you’re putting in my mouth.

That's ironic because youre putting words in his. How do you know he's not suggesting she be hung or killed by firing squad? It has to be torture? Says who?

[Dreria]

We’re the ones who helped shape the society these people ended up feeling so alienated from that they ran away to become terrorists. We bear some collective responsibility for what they’ve chosen to do with their lives and the geopolitical situation that gave them the opportunity to go so badly astray; that means we have a responsibility to them— not necessarily to forgive, but at least to try and extend compassion even to them as we decide what punishments they should face.

Fuck compassion. They killed innocent men women and kids. I feel zero sympathy for war criminals who kill women and children. I say hand them over to the YPG and let them deal with them however they see fit.

the YPG doesn't want more ISIS prisoners.

[Senkaku]

This is a really good point

This only makes sense if it can be proven that she was literally in fear for her life if she did not act in the way she did. Other isis returnees have said that wives were expected to be submissive, raise children, cook and clean etc. I've not seen much suggesting that they were expected to partake in terrorist activity, however I'm happy to be proven wrong if you have other information.

I’m saying even if she wasn’t in fear for her life and was enthusiastically participating, she should have been afraid for her life, and the fact she apparently wasn’t and was enthusiastically participating indicates some kind of severe psychological issue.

[CoraSpia]

Have any returning isis members committed a terrorist act upon their return? If no it appears the problem can be managed.

Yes, the Manchester arena bomber was actually "rescued" from Libya by the Royal Navy, obviously he was just there to plant trees and give out free sweets to poor children...

Libya isn't isis central. They've got their own homemade terrorist groups.

[Sky Reavers]

Yes, the Manchester arena bomber was actually "rescued" from Libya by the Royal Navy, obviously he was just there to plant trees and give out free sweets to poor children...

Did he commit crimes there? Before he bombed the arena?

[The V I C]

Virtue signaling about needing to be better than the terrorists won't bring her back. Thats for sure. I will say we are better than these people even if we execute them. We didn't execute them for their ethnicity or being the wrong religion. We didn't do it will a dull rusty knife. I find it to be disrespectful to victims of ISIS to suggest that if anti ISIS forces make captured war criminals face the wall, it's somehow equivalent to ISIS raping and murdering people for their faith. It has the same energy as saying that antifa and fascists are both equally bad. ISIS are scum. The best they deserve is to be exiled to Antarctica or sent to a desert island, and that's at best.

I’m not “virtue signaling about needing to be better than the terrorists,” I genuinely think it’s wrong to kill and torture people— all people. If you’re morally flexible on the subjects of murder and torture, I don’t think this dialogue is going to go anywhere.

I don't support torture if that's what you're implying. I will say I don't feel bad if a member of ISIS is sentenced to capital punishment.

[South Reinkalistan]

"Person".

If you’re fine with torturing certain people to death, what exactly makes you so much better?

I'm not fine with torturing certain people to death -- I am fine with the government of Iraq deciding what to do, at least, with "certain people". I.e., people like this woman who are less than human as far as I am concerned. After all, she committed the crime on Iraqi soil, did she not?

Let us face this on a fundamental basis: the current, deranged mentality regarding the innate value of all human lives. One human life is not necessarily as valuable as another. For sure, the death of any average, innocent person is a tragedy, but this woman was no average, innocent person. Her life is worth less than dirt.

[Cali4nia]

Yes, the Manchester arena bomber was actually "rescued" from Libya by the Royal Navy, obviously he was just there to plant trees and give out free sweets to poor children...

Did he commit crimes there? Before he bombed the arena?

Good point.

[Senkaku]

He said “send her back to Iraq so she can get what she fucking deserves,” implying she’d face brutal mob justice of the sort that’s been dispensed by anti-IS Iraqi paramilitaries and mobs. I’m not begrudging the Iraqi people their anger or saying Reinkalistan is just as bad as someone who’a actually committed murder, those are words you’re putting in my mouth.

That's ironic because youre putting words in his. How do you know he's not suggesting she be hung or killed by firing squad? It has to be torture? Says who?

You literally just said we should “let [the YPG] deal with them how they see fit,” and you’re suggesting I’m crazy for calling out the torture innuendo? You’re both saying you’d be fine with her being tortured to death. If you can’t wrap your mind around why that’s wrong and want to double down on denying you even said it, fine.

[-Astoria-]

Have any returning isis members committed a terrorist act upon their return? If no it appears the problem can be managed.

Yes, the Manchester arena bomber was actually "rescued" from Libya by the Royal Navy, obviously he was just there to plant trees and give out free sweets to poor children...

Emphasis on "returning Isis members".