Slave owner, murderer gets 10 years in jail

[The New California Republic]

Not sure if she can be rehabilitated. Such deeds are just too heinous. But at least she is won't be committing any crimes out there.

If the punishment doesn't have a rehabilitative value (which means a projected release date that's not so far in the future it's effectively a life sentence) then it shouldn't be on the books.

Prisons are universities of crime anyway, their rehabilitative function and its effectiveness is questionable.

[Senkaku]

Well as I am opposed to capital punishment, life imprisonment in a relatively humane place will do.

What is the rehabilitative function of life imprisonment?

If it’s determined that they can never be rehabilitated well enough to safely re-enter society I think it has some function, and it’s possible that’s the case here— but none of us can say with certainty, since we aren’t psychiatric professionals who’ve extensively evaluated this woman.

[Fartsniffage]

If the punishment doesn't have a rehabilitative value (which means a projected release date that's not so far in the future it's effectively a life sentence) then it shouldn't be on the books.

Prisons are universities of crime anyway, their rehabilitative function and its effectiveness is questionable.

Here, yes. Maybe not so in Germany if they follow something like the Nordic models of prison.

Don't know enough about it to have an opinion.

[CoraSpia]

If the punishment doesn't have a rehabilitative value (which means a projected release date that's not so far in the future it's effectively a life sentence) then it shouldn't be on the books.

Prisons are universities of crime anyway, their rehabilitative function and its effectiveness is questionable.

You know what I think about prisons but I've probably already threadjacked this enough.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Why only ten years for such a horrific crime? What was the reasoning behind such a short sentence, and what happened to the mother?

[Deep Dark Dust Dimensions]

Take a step back, and consider where you have actually read about Kurds committing crimes against prisoners in their care.
Now consider where your opponents in this thread could have read such materials.
Now ask yourself if you should accuse all and sunder of advocating torture and trolling.

Well, I suppose, it's possible to accuse at least half of folks, who posted here of advocating death. Quarter for advocating torture. Don't know about trolling though...

It is a perfectly acceptable position that trials should be held in the country where the crime has been committed. I remember in the late 1990-ies Singapore executed a Dutchman for smuggling narcotics. The Dutch tried to have the sentence overturned, of course, but he was legally tried, legally convicted, and the sentence carried out without unnecessary suffering. The presence of capital punishment can be an argument against extradition, but that is a separate discussion from the one about the justice of Death as punishment in this case.

1/4 of the repliers did not advocate torture. That is hyperbole, and you know it.

So the first accusation is really just a position, and the second accusation rarely applicable. It seems a few repliers have taken to the other extreme, accusing anyone who doesn´t agree with their views of moral inferiority and trying to have that censured by accusations of trolling. Although borth extremes take up a lot of the pages in this thread, they don´t constitute the majority of the repliers.

[Sky Reavers]

Prisons are universities of crime anyway, their rehabilitative function and its effectiveness is questionable.

It is also true. But it depends on how these prisons are managed and what happens in them. Recidivism rates are different in different countries.

[The New California Republic]

Prisons are universities of crime anyway, their rehabilitative function and its effectiveness is questionable.

Here, yes. Maybe not so in Germany if they follow something like the Nordic models of prison.

Don't know enough about it to have an opinion.

Don't think the German prisons are too much better tbh...

[Senkaku]

Well, I suppose, it's possible to accuse at least half of folks, who posted here of advocating death. Quarter for advocating torture. Don't know about trolling though...

It is a perfectly acceptable position that trials should be held in the country where the crime has been committed.

Yeah, can you imagine how much less engagement this thread would’ve gotten if people had just said that explicitly from the start if they thought it?

[Deep Dark Dust Dimensions]

Again, and this time through my main forum account:

Lol

where are the reports about systemic torture by the Kurds?

Do I need “reports about systemic torture by the Kurds” to fear she might not be executed in a humane manner upon return to Iraq?

No. That fear is part of your thoughts. Whether it is rational is a secondary consideration, but certainly you don´t need reports to hold that fear.

What you cannot do, in my opinion, is use that fear as an argument against the morality of other posters´ positions in this thread. They may not have that same fear, in the absence of documentation that justifies it, and therefore they can hold a position different from yours. That doesn´t make any of them trolls, advocates of torture, or morally inferior.

[Sky Reavers]

It is a perfectly acceptable position that trials should be held in the country where the crime has been committed. I remember in the late 1990-ies Singapore executed a Dutchman for smuggling narcotics. The Dutch tried to have the sentence overturned, of course, but he was legally tried, legally convicted, and the sentence carried out without unnecessary suffering. The presence of capital punishment can be an argument against extradition, but that is a separate discussion from the one about the justice of Death as punishment in this case.

1/4 of the repliers did not advocate torture. That is hyperbole, and you know it.

So the first accusation is really just a position, and the second accusation rarely applicable. It seems a few repliers have taken to the other extreme, accusing anyone who doesn´t agree with their views of moral inferiority and trying to have that censured by accusations of trolling. Although borth extremes take up a lot of the pages in this thread, they don´t constitute the majority of the repliers.

There is a term called "Vocal minority", some posts are more noticable than other and have larger emotional footprint. Which is why I overestimated the numbers when I said "1/4". Perhaps, all sides may end up wrong due to being too radical in their statements. I am no exception.

[Farnhamia]

Maybe, just maybe, she would "Fall from the stairs" while being escorted to her cell? Like... 20 times and guard would be unable to prevent this "utterly tragic freak accident"? Oh, and some intern just erased security camera records. By another unrelated accident of course.

10 years in prison for killing infants as part of a genocide? She should be stoned to death for that.

Hopefully someone kills her in the slammer.

All three quoted posters are *** warned for trolling *** (advocating extra-judicial killing).

Your personal feelings are irrelevant. We have rules here and one of them is that you can't go around advocating the death of people through illegal means, no matter how vile they are.

[Arvenia]

Here, yes. Maybe not so in Germany if they follow something like the Nordic models of prison.

Don't know enough about it to have an opinion.

Don't think the German prisons are too much better tbh...

What do you mean?

[Farnhamia]

Thread locked. Do not re-post. When the first page generates three actionable posts, down is the only direction the thread is going in.