Lesbian Rejected as Foster Parent Sues Federal Government

[GuessTheAltAccount]

It proves there's households out there that can do a "father's" tasks without needing a man to be present in the household. I don't believe in "gender-neutral" but the way these opponents of gay adoption talk about gender roles it's pretty clear they're afraid of their own notions of gender roles being wrong.

There might also be some "primal" homophobia (ie. evolutionary instinct to look down on relationships that don't produce offspring) and/or a touch of bitterness over there being women they know for a fact they'll never get to bang, but most people don't discriminate to that extent over it.

Would the “primal” element make them in favour of it, if anything.

Regarding the point about a father figure, I believe in gender roles but one or more of the lesbians who adopt a child could have a brother to fulfil that male role.

Conservatives believe in the nuclear family, not the extend family. They speak of going where the jobs are, meaning the sister and the brother are going to have to establish different nuclear families in different towns when their skills take them wherever those skills are needed.

They obviously don't give a shit if he cheats on her (see; 2016 primaries) but they do give a shit if he isn't portraying whatever they consider the stereotypical image of a suburban father this week.

May as well reject it altogether. The Bible compares gays and the effeminate to adulterers and says they won't get into heaven. If they were wrong about that, what else could they be wrong about?

You're quoting the passage out of context.

The First Epistle to the Corinthians was meant specifically for the Church in Corinth and the issues it was facing at the time and was not meant to be a universal ruling on anything. The Corinthian Church was facing division from within partly due to pagan influences which still held sway in their community and Paul wrote 1 Corinthians to address their issues by offering possible solutions. The passage you quoted is specifically referring to homosexual acts, not homosexual attraction, and is likely an attack on the practice of pederasty (a common practice in Ancient Greece) rather than an attack on homosexuality in general.

If the Bible can't even be translated right, why should we trust anything else coming out of it? Who knows how much else is mistranslated? The verses invoked against embryonic stem cell research, perhaps?

Don't try to eat around the rot if you don't know how contaminated the rest of the apple is. Christianity is garbage. Throw it away.

[Gonswanza]

The bible, as it stands, was never meant to be taken at-face. That's akin to reading a deep multi-layered epic and saying "oh, well, sucks to suck. The guy just wanted to get home from a bad place and then he gets home but nobody remembers him."

Alas, it's also why it's commonly twisted around to suit any damaged set of ideals justified through a religious medium.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

The bible, as it stands, was never meant to be taken at-face. That's akin to reading a deep multi-layered epic and saying "oh, well, sucks to suck. The guy just wanted to get home from a bad place and then he gets home but nobody remembers him."

Alas, it's also why it's commonly twisted around to suit any damaged set of ideals justified through a religious medium.

It'd be a lot harder to "twist" a medium toward "damaged" ideals if that medium didn't prime its audience for irrationality through dubious translations and internal contradictions.

Just saying.

Progressive Christians might mean well, but they try to eat around the rot by trying to explain away Biblical homophobia, then Biblical passages often used against abortion, etc... instead of accepting that the Bible's pattern of being wrong at best, vile at worst, lead directly to its target audience's pattern of accepting the same from scum like Trump.

[The Two Jerseys]

So, was the federal govt right to deny this woman the ability to foster a child based on her sexuality?

The government did not deny; its subcontractor did.
The government is wrong to allow a subcontractor to apply arbitrary rules on top of the governmental requirements for the subcontracted services.

That's pretty much it. If the contract doesn't say "you can't discriminate against same-sex applicants", that's on the government.

[Lady Victory]

If the Bible can't even be translated right, why should we trust anything else coming out of it? Who knows how much else is mistranslated?

This has nothing to do with translation, this is about interpretation. You failed to take into account the context of the passage; ergo your interpretation of it is uninformed and thus unreliable.

The verses invoked against embryonic stem cell research, perhaps?

I never hear anyone talk about this so I have no idea to which verses you're referring to, but they are likely being taken out of context. Fundamentalists tend to favor a Literalist interpretation of the Bible that fails to account for additional factors. This is because they don't actually reflect on the meaning of passages and instead want to use faith as a pretext to push a social or political agenda.

Don't try to eat around the rot if you don't know how contaminated the rest of the apple is.

There is no "rot"; the apple isn't contaminated. You're just as full of it as Fundies.

Christianity is garbage. Throw it away.

Your argument is the only thing that's garbage here.

It'd be a lot harder to "twist" a medium toward "damaged" ideals if that medium didn't prime its audience for irrationality through dubious translations and internal contradictions.

Your inability to understand scripture doesn't make it contradictory or poorly translated, but thanks for reinforcing the stereotype of arrogant Atheists trying to lecture religious people on the nature of beliefs they don't even understand.

Progressive Christians might mean well, but they try to eat around the rot by trying to explain away Biblical homophobia, then Biblical passages often used against abortion, etc... instead of accepting that the Bible's pattern of being wrong at best, vile at worst, lead directly to its target audience's pattern of accepting the same from scum like Trump.

Your inability to grasp that Christianity exists beyond the ignorant perceptions of raving Fundamentalists is only proving that your understanding of the Bible, and Christianity in general, is not only severely limited but severely misinformed. I strongly urge you not to talk shit about things you don't understand to prevent from making a further fool of yourself as you try to score points through vain smugposting.

[Liebendeland]

This is so silly. The government (EDIT: My bad, not the government, the child services agency) decided the woman shouldn't be a parent because she simply shouldn't. The child deserves parents that can raise it correctly and without improper influence.

[Uiiop]

If one cannot be arsed to make themselves private rather than public then they should get what's coming to them and sued to dust.

[Necroghastia]

This is so silly. The government decided the woman shouldn't be a parent because she simply shouldn't. The child deserves parents that can raise it correctly and without improper influence.

...What?

[Vassenor]

This is so silly. The government decided the woman shouldn't be a parent because she simply shouldn't. The child deserves parents that can raise it correctly and without improper influence.

...What?

People still think that any family unit that doesn’t fit the traditional schema will damage the child somehow.

So leaving aside the fact you just called an actual living human being an “it”, Liebendeland, can you explain what makes this individual unsuited to be a parent?

[Countesia]

The government decided the woman shouldn't be a parent because she simply shouldn't.

The government didn't say that, the fostering agency said that.

The child deserves parents that can raise it correctly and without improper influence.

Same sex parents are fully able to give a child the same amount of love and nurturing a hetero couple could. Fuck, its not like the child had a good run to start with if they've ended up in foster care.

[Kannap]

This is so silly. The government decided the woman shouldn't be a parent because she simply shouldn't. The child deserves parents that can raise it correctly and without improper influence.

The government takes the stance that the woman should be a parent and that LGBT parents have equal protections for adopting children that heterosexual parents have. The case is that the child services agency is religious and refused her. She's suing the federal government because they're providing a contract to the child services agency (and shouldn't be since it's discriminating)

[Liebendeland]

This is so silly. The government decided the woman shouldn't be a parent because she simply shouldn't. The child deserves parents that can raise it correctly and without improper influence.

The government takes the stance that the woman should be a parent and that LGBT parents have equal protections for adopting children that heterosexual parents have. The case is that the child services agency is religious and refused her. She's suing the federal government because they're providing a contract to the child services agency (and shouldn't be since it's discriminating)

Either way, it isn't discriminating, it's protecting the child.

[Countesia]

The government takes the stance that the woman should be a parent and that LGBT parents have equal protections for adopting children that heterosexual parents have. The case is that the child services agency is religious and refused her. She's suing the federal government because they're providing a contract to the child services agency (and shouldn't be since it's discriminating)

Either way, it isn't discriminating, it's protecting the child.

From what?

[Vassenor]

The government takes the stance that the woman should be a parent and that LGBT parents have equal protections for adopting children that heterosexual parents have. The case is that the child services agency is religious and refused her. She's suing the federal government because they're providing a contract to the child services agency (and shouldn't be since it's discriminating)

Either way, it isn't discriminating, it's protecting the child.

So you’re not going to explain how this woman is unsuitable to be a parent then?

[Liebendeland]

Either way, it isn't discriminating, it's protecting the child.

From what?

Just saying, they always try to spread it wherever they go.

[Countesia]

From what?

Just saying, they always try to spread it wherever they go.

...Spreading what?

[Uiiop]

From what?

Just saying, they always try to spread it wherever they go.

[citation needed]
You may project anyone expressing themselves in any non normie way solely to convert other but that just isn't true.

[Vassenor]

From what?

Just saying, they always try to spread it wherever they go.

So you’re just engaging in garden variety homophobia but are desperately trying not to admit it.

[Liebendeland]

Just saying, they always try to spread it wherever they go.

So you’re just engaging in garden variety homophobia but are desperately trying not to admit it.

I'm not homophobic, but sure?

[Necroghastia]

So you’re just engaging in garden variety homophobia but are desperately trying not to admit it.

I'm not homophobic, but sure?

So what is the child needing to be "protected" from?

[Vassenor]

So you’re just engaging in garden variety homophobia but are desperately trying not to admit it.

I'm not homophobic, but sure?

So this woman is unsuitable to be a parent for reasons you won’t specify, and is apparently going to spread something you won’t specify to the child, but you’re totally not being homophobic because reasons.

[Uiiop]

I'm not homophobic, but sure?

So this woman is unsuitable to be a parent for reasons you won’t specify, and is apparently going to spread something you won’t specify to the child, but you’re totally not being homophobic because reasons.

One wonders why they don't notice they're actually talking to mostly queer people RN.

[The King Isle]

What the fuck is going on here?

[Mestovakia]

What the fuck is going on here?

Someone essentially being "I'm not homophobic, but..."

[Liebendeland]

I'm not homophobic, but sure?

So this woman is unsuitable to be a parent for reasons you won’t specify, and is apparently going to spread something you won’t specify to the child, but you’re totally not being homophobic because reasons.

You know exactly what I mean. They influence their kids to be gay. I'm gay myself but I don't think LGBTQ+ people should be able to be able to adopt. Just my opinion.