Striketober: Workers of the world unite!

[USS Monitor]

Desperate NYC taxi drivers go on hunger strike
The Medallion Crisis Is So Bad That Taxi Drivers Are on a Hunger Strike
A hunger strike? That's some next level shit there.

Dang yo. That is pretty out there. Like, I am not saying they can't. I am just a little confused.

[Ethel mermania]

Desperate NYC taxi drivers go on hunger strike
The Medallion Crisis Is So Bad That Taxi Drivers Are on a Hunger Strike
A hunger strike? That's some next level shit there.

Dang yo. That is pretty out there. Like, I am not saying they can't. I am just a little confused.

Uber is killing the yellows.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Desperate NYC taxi drivers go on hunger strike
The Medallion Crisis Is So Bad That Taxi Drivers Are on a Hunger Strike
A hunger strike? That's some next level shit there.

Whoa, you don't really see those too often anymore. That's gotta be really tough, hopefully it turns out well for them

[FNU]

Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?

They say in Harlan County
There are no neutrals there.
You'll either be a union man
Or a thug for J. H. Blair.

Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?

My dady was a miner,
And I'm a miner's son,
He'll be with you fellow workers
Until this battle's won.

Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?

Oh workers can you stand it?
Oh tell me how you can?
Will you be a lousy scab
Or will you be a man?

Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?

Come all you good workers,
Good news to you I'll tell
Of how the good old union
Has come in here to dwell.

Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?

[Ethel mermania]

Desperate NYC taxi drivers go on hunger strike
The Medallion Crisis Is So Bad That Taxi Drivers Are on a Hunger Strike
A hunger strike? That's some next level shit there.

Whoa, you don't really see those too often anymore. That's gotta be really tough, hopefully it turns out well for them

You are shutting down Uber and lyft?

[Alcala-Cordel]

Whoa, you don't really see those too often anymore. That's gotta be really tough, hopefully it turns out well for them

You are shutting down Uber and lyft?

Ideally there would be some kinda union taxi thing, but taxi drivers could really use decent wages and safe conditions at the bare minimum.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

You know what would be even more efficient than co-ordinating with your colleagues?

Co-ordinating with millions of fellow voters.

Raise the minimum wage, people. Regulate the workplace better. Everything the rich had to say has been discredited by this pandemic. All the rich fucks who talked shit about the poor for not saving money they didn't have found themselves SOL when they didn't save enough company money either.

[Kilobugya]

You know what would be even more efficient than co-ordinating with your colleagues?

Co-ordinating with millions of fellow voters.

It's not like the two are exclusive - quite the opposite.

[Kowani]

John Deere caves, will be providing already earned wages under the CIPP quota pay system, will continue to provide healthcare to striking workers, reversing a move to cut it off on October 27th

the strike is still ongoing, this was just JD trying to make people's lives miserable

[-Astoria-]

John Deere caves, will be providing already earned wages under the CIPP quota pay system, will continue to provide healthcare to striking workers, reversing a move to cut it off on October 27th

the strike is still ongoing, this was just JD trying to make people's lives miserable

As one does.

[Great Algerstonia]

You know what would be even more efficient than co-ordinating with your colleagues?

Co-ordinating with millions of fellow voters.

Raise the minimum wage, people. Regulate the workplace better. Everything the rich had to say has been discredited by this pandemic. All the rich fucks who talked shit about the poor for not saving money they didn't have found themselves SOL when they didn't save enough company money either.

The minimum wage should not be raised at all. The workers and the free market themselves will raise wages without government intervention as workers will inevitably demand more money and stop working until they are paid more.

[Neuer California]

You know what would be even more efficient than co-ordinating with your colleagues?

Co-ordinating with millions of fellow voters.

Raise the minimum wage, people. Regulate the workplace better. Everything the rich had to say has been discredited by this pandemic. All the rich fucks who talked shit about the poor for not saving money they didn't have found themselves SOL when they didn't save enough company money either.

The minimum wage should not be raised at all. The workers and the free market themselves will raise wages without government intervention as workers will inevitably demand more money and stop working until they are paid more.

Except in unskilled and minimally skilled positions. There the employers can just say "you're fired" and hire up the next group looking for employment as well as any industry where job seekers outnumber jobs considerably.

The joys of at will employment.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

You know what would be even more efficient than co-ordinating with your colleagues?

Co-ordinating with millions of fellow voters.

Raise the minimum wage, people. Regulate the workplace better. Everything the rich had to say has been discredited by this pandemic. All the rich fucks who talked shit about the poor for not saving money they didn't have found themselves SOL when they didn't save enough company money either.

The minimum wage should not be raised at all. The workers and the free market themselves will raise wages without government intervention as workers will inevitably demand more money and stop working until they are paid more.

It's quite a world when you can't tell if this is a legitimate opinion or making fun of said opinion

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You know what would be even more efficient than co-ordinating with your colleagues?

Co-ordinating with millions of fellow voters.

Raise the minimum wage, people. Regulate the workplace better. Everything the rich had to say has been discredited by this pandemic. All the rich fucks who talked shit about the poor for not saving money they didn't have found themselves SOL when they didn't save enough company money either.

The minimum wage should not be raised at all. The workers and the free market themselves will raise wages without government intervention as workers will inevitably demand more money and stop working until they are paid more.

History says you're wrong. Relative to inflation and purchasing power, the minimum wage has been shrinking for the last half century.

Moreover, even now in the so-called "labor shortage", employers are not being nearly as generous as they claim. They're offering $15 now? So what? $15 was barely decent a decade ago, but not anymore.

Of course, it highlights the fact that there is no such thing as a labor shortage. If you go to buy a soda that costs $2 but you are only willing to pay $1 and the vendor refuses to sell to you at that price, there isn't a soda shortage.

Let's see if those fast food places can get fully staffed offering $25.

[Saiwania]

Let's see if those fast food places can get fully staffed offering $25.

The issue is that the lower wage workers are back to square one if their wage increase is eaten up by inflation. Raising the wages for people lower on the economic ladder inherently means raising everyone else's wages if they're higher up if the hierarchy is maintained. Prices increases historically cause less business and not more. Its a lose lose situation if a restaurant has to raise prices to cover raised payroll to keep employees but as a result, more people cook food at home instead of going out to eat.

The concept of a minimum wage is stupid to me if it doesn't work or is less effective than other approaches. I'd suggest abolishing it in favor of having every industry/workplace have to be unionized. Businesses may howl at how burdensome such an arrangement would be, but it makes good sense to me if the wage is dynamically determined by employer and employee unions hashing out a prevalent wage that should be paid any given year.

Under the current system the US has, the minimum wage is ignored/forgotten about by the US congress until its long overdue to raise it, or is left up to individual states. It gets raised federally, once a decade at best. And its inevitable that tons of people get exploited or underpaid but its not "one size fits all" in that different places cost more or less money to live there.

[Neuer California]

Let's see if those fast food places can get fully staffed offering $25.

The issue is that the lower wage workers are back to square one if their wage increase is eaten up by inflation. Raising the wages for people lower on the economic ladder inherently means raising everyone else's wages if they're higher up if the hierarchy is maintained.

The concept of a minimum wage is stupid to me if it doesn't work or is less effective than other approaches. I'd suggest abolishing it in favor of having every industry/workplace have to be unionized. Businesses may howl at how burdensome such an arrangement would be, but it makes good sense to me if the wage is dynamically determined by employer and employee unions hashing out a prevalent wage that should be paid any given year.

Under the current system the US has, the minimum wage is ignored/forgotten about by the US congress until its long overdue to raise it, or is left up to individual states. It gets raised federally, once a decade at best. And its inevitable that tons of people get exploited or underpaid but its not "one size fits all" in that different places cost more or less to live there.

Could find no evidence of raising the minimum wage increasing inflation (aside from the viewpoint being controversial and not being borne out after past minimum wage increases), and plenty of evidence that raising it creates a lot of benefits.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Let's see if those fast food places can get fully staffed offering $25.

The issue is that the lower wage workers are back to square one if their wage increase is eaten up by inflation. Raising the wages for people lower on the economic ladder inherently means raising everyone else's wages if they're higher up if the hierarchy is maintained.

Inflation doesn't quite cancel out the effects of higher wages. People talk about Denmark's wage increase causing some inflation, but the increase was nowhere near as significant as the USA's. I think the $20/hr figure worked out equivalently to $13 or something? (Ie. Not as high as it sounds, but higher than what an American would make.) I don't remember where I heard that, but does it sound familiar to anyone else?

Worst case scenario, inflation forces the economy to pay almost as much to someone working in notoriously stressful minimum wage jobs as it does to people working in comparatively cushy white collar office jobs.

What raising the minimum wage does is force the uber-wealthy who made their fortune exploiting the working poor offer a marginally bigger slice of their fortune to the working poor they exploited to get rich in the first place.

The concept of a minimum wage is stupid to me if it doesn't work or is less effective than other approaches. I'd suggest abolishing it in favor of having every industry/workplace have to be unionized.

A: If forcing a wage increase through a direct minimum wage isn't acceptable, why is forced unionization acceptable? At least a minimum wage is one step less permissive by not going against freedom of association. (Not that I think the average worker is that likely to prefer poverty to co-ordinating with someone they don't like, but you never know...)

B: Collective bargaining somewhat increases leverage, but it's not absolute. Different walks of life have different levels of leverage. A union of engineers is going to have a lot more leverage than, let's say, a union of fast food workers. And at the end of the day, there is nothing stopping an employer from threatening to bring in a bunch of more easily underpaid foreign labourers if the current crop of workers don't sign off on a bad deal.

Under the current system the US has, the minimum wage is ignored/forgotten about by the US congress until its long overdue to raise it, or is left up to individual states. It gets raised federally, once a decade at best. And its inevitable that tons of people get exploited or underpaid but its not "one size fits all" in that different places cost more or less money to live there.

As I believe I've mentioned to you before, the options are as follows.

A: Dollar amounts so stingy they make a Winnipegger middle class and a Torontonian poor.

B: Dollar amounts so generous they make a Winnipegger rich and a Torontonian middle class.

Both options have comparable incentive for a Torontonian to move to Winnipeg to save money. Difference is, they do that without threatening as many people with poverty.

[Ethel mermania]

You are shutting down Uber and lyft?

Ideally there would be some kinda union taxi thing, but taxi drivers could really use decent wages and safe conditions at the bare minimum.

There is an association.

These are the owners who are getting crushed, not the folks who just drive. The drivers are just losing some fares, and can go contract with Uber. Its the people who bought 500,000 dollar Medallions who can't make the payments that are killing themselves.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Ideally there would be some kinda union taxi thing, but taxi drivers could really use decent wages and safe conditions at the bare minimum.

There is an association.

These are the owners who are getting crushed, not the folks who just drive. The drivers are just losing some fares, and can go contract with Uber. Its the people who bought 500,000 dollar Medallions who can't make the payments that are killing themselves.

Why the hell couldn't New Yorkers have just taken public transit in the first place? You don't see people in Copenhagen taking cabs everywhere.

[Kerwa]

There is an association.

These are the owners who are getting crushed, not the folks who just drive. The drivers are just losing some fares, and can go contract with Uber. Its the people who bought 500,000 dollar Medallions who can't make the payments that are killing themselves.

I actually know someone whose family borrowed money to buy a couple of medallions. They’re complete dicks tho’ so no sympathy in that case.

It always seemed a bit daft to sink that much money into something that was inevitably going to be replaced by robocabs.

[Genivaria]

Can't imagine why noone wants to work at places like this.

[Saiwania]

B: Collective bargaining somewhat increases leverage, but it's not absolute. Different walks of life have different levels of leverage. A union of engineers is going to have a lot more leverage than, let's say, a union of fast food workers. And at the end of the day, there is nothing stopping an employer from threatening to bring in a bunch of more easily underpaid foreign labourers if the current crop of workers don't sign off on a bad deal.

If one type of union is weaker than another type of union, it just means that one line of work is worth more than another. I don't mind different unions having unequal results, so long as all workers have the most protections/pay their leverage can manage to get. Some jobs with higher turnover is inherently work people only do for a year or two until they've saved up enough to move onto something else.

There should be no citizenship loophole in my mind. Anyone who works should automatically become part of the union citizen or not. I view it as a problem that people from overseas can just go to the US to work and be paid less than citizens and send US money overseas and convert it to their foreign currency that enables them to be exponentially richer than people working in their country of origin without the benefit of forex trading.

Its capital flight and I'd like an end brought to it. I don't want the US dollar enriching the economies of other nations more than is necessary.

[Risottia]

But what do you all think?

Here in Italy most strikes right now are actually conducted by fascists (and by fascists I mean the real deal: violent squads who destroy union offices) who reject vaccination and the so-called "Green Pass", a certification of either vaccination or negative Covid test in the last 48 hours that's now needed to work.

[Pasong Tirad]

Can't imagine why noone wants to work at places like this.

(Image)

Assuming that's 8 hours a day and 40 days a week (which, as I understand it, is never a guarantee with those kinds of jobs), then I earn more than that person and I'm considered lower-middle-income in the Philippines.

[Risottia]

There is an association.

These are the owners who are getting crushed, not the folks who just drive. The drivers are just losing some fares, and can go contract with Uber. Its the people who bought 500,000 dollar Medallions who can't make the payments that are killing themselves.

Why the hell couldn't New Yorkers have just taken public transit in the first place? You don't see people in Copenhagen taking cabs everywhere.

That's because, unlike NY, Copenhagen has a metro system designed, realised and operated by Italians.