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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:04 pm

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Because they’re all war criminals.


And in Powell's case, he already had a history of facilitating war crimes in Central America. Why do people think the Bushes kept picking him?

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:06 pm

Does the death of a Bush-era villain really warrant its own thread?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:08 pm

So tired of seeing all the liberal FB groups trying to rehabilitate this war criminal.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:So tired of seeing all the liberal FB groups trying to rehabilitate this war criminal.

I've even seen people try it with Cheney. "Back then, our war criminals cared about America" et cetera
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:So tired of seeing all the liberal FB groups trying to rehabilitate this war criminal.

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Senkaku wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So tired of seeing all the liberal FB groups trying to rehabilitate this war criminal.

the fishbook group rots from the head

Sickening.

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Postby Chan Island » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:49 pm

Controversial opinion here but...

Good. Colin Powell is directly responsible for the Iraq war, knowing full well it was a lie, and that lie cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. This feels unbecoming, speaking ill of the dead. Yet I just don't care how much he loved America, he helped squander America's first surplus in its history in a useless war with no obvious strategic purpose and continues to wreck havoc to this day.

Now only for that psychopath John Bolton to go before the US can heal from the disaster that was neo-conservatism.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:52 pm

Chan Island wrote:Controversial opinion here but...

Good. Colin Powell is directly responsible for the Iraq war, knowing full well it was a lie, and that lie cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. This feels unbecoming, speaking ill of the dead. Yet I just don't care how much he loved America, he helped squander America's first surplus in its history in a useless war with no obvious strategic purpose and continues to wreck havoc to this day.

Now only for that psychopath John Bolton to go before the US can heal from the disaster that was neo-conservatism.


People are too fickle in general. Bolton was loved/respected/whatever by the conservatives when he supported 45. He was of course hated/whatever by libs. It reversed when he spoke ill of 45 and now he is following orders again.

I will be surprised if he is ever charged with anything.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:56 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Chan Island wrote:Controversial opinion here but...

Good. Colin Powell is directly responsible for the Iraq war, knowing full well it was a lie, and that lie cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. This feels unbecoming, speaking ill of the dead. Yet I just don't care how much he loved America, he helped squander America's first surplus in its history in a useless war with no obvious strategic purpose and continues to wreck havoc to this day.

Now only for that psychopath John Bolton to go before the US can heal from the disaster that was neo-conservatism.


People are too fickle in general. Bolton was loved/respected/whatever by the conservatives when he supported 45. He was of course hated/whatever by libs. It reversed when he spoke ill of 45 and now he is following orders again.

I will be surprised if he is ever charged with anything.


More's the pity. I'm sure there are a great many Iraqis and Afghans who'd queue to testify in that trial.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:58 pm

I've nothing good to say of the man, so I'd rather take this moment to post in remembrance and thoughtfulness of all the people who are dead and suffering because of him.
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Postby Lady Victory » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:35 pm

Torrocca wrote:I've nothing good to say of the man, so I'd rather take this moment to post in remembrance and thoughtfulness of all the people who are dead and suffering because of him.


I'm curious: will you extend the same courtesy to all the people that died and suffered in the Cuban concentration camps designed to suppress homosexuality that your idol Che Guevara helped organize? Or perhaps all the people who died and are suffering in the Chinese concentration camps designed to erase Uyghur cultural identity through forced sterilization and the suppression of their language, religion, and way of life which deny even exist?

Please spare us your fake moralism. Tankies don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to talking about basic human empathy.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:01 pm

I have a lot to say about Powell, none of it good.

Guess the least I can do is wish him bad luck in the greatest unknown unknown of them all.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:13 pm

Not sorry. But I'm sure his family's sad so respect to them.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:59 pm

Lady Victory wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I've nothing good to say of the man, so I'd rather take this moment to post in remembrance and thoughtfulness of all the people who are dead and suffering because of him.


I'm curious: will you extend the same courtesy to all the people that died and suffered in the Cuban concentration camps designed to suppress homosexuality that your idol Che Guevara helped organize? Or perhaps all the people who died and are suffering in the Chinese concentration camps designed to erase Uyghur cultural identity through forced sterilization and the suppression of their language, religion, and way of life which deny even exist?

Please spare us your fake moralism. Tankies don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to talking about basic human empathy.


"I saw Che Guevara at a grocery store in Cuba years back.

I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, 'Oh, like you’re doing now?'

I was taken aback, and all I could say was 'Huh?' but he kept kept cutting me off and going 'huh? huh? huh?' and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him murder someone as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like 'Sir, you need to pay for those first.' At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and murdered her."

In other words? Spare me these lies. There's no evidence for this accusation against Che you pulled from nowhere (and in fact plenty to the contrary; simply follow the links and those within the descriptions of those videos if you don't believe me). And, for the record? I've made my most current views on Xinjiang clear in other threads, which you're more than welcome to seek out among my other posts if you actually care one bit; judging by the last bit of your quote here, I doubt you actually do, though, and were just seeking some quick, cheap, and utterly meaningless points by trying to do a dig at me. I'm not gonna bother entertaining it or whatever else you've said or probably will say down the road beyond this, especially given its ultimate irrelevancy in regards to this mass-murderer.

Anything else?
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Postby Imperium of Dragonia » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:00 pm

Another war criminal bites the dust.
And another one gone, and another one gone.

Torrocca wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
I'm curious: will you extend the same courtesy to all the people that died and suffered in the Cuban concentration camps designed to suppress homosexuality that your idol Che Guevara helped organize? Or perhaps all the people who died and are suffering in the Chinese concentration camps designed to erase Uyghur cultural identity through forced sterilization and the suppression of their language, religion, and way of life which deny even exist?

Please spare us your fake moralism. Tankies don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to talking about basic human empathy.


"I saw Che Guevara at a grocery store in Cuba years back.

I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, 'Oh, like you’re doing now?'

I was taken aback, and all I could say was 'Huh?' but he kept kept cutting me off and going 'huh? huh? huh?' and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him murder someone as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like 'Sir, you need to pay for those first.' At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and murdered her."

In other words? Spare me these lies. There's no evidence for this accusation against Che you pulled from nowhere (and in fact plenty to the contrary; simply follow the links and those within the descriptions of those videos if you don't believe me). And, for the record? I've made my most current views on Xinjiang clear in other threads, which you're more than welcome to seek out among my other posts if you actually care one bit; judging by the last bit of your quote here, I doubt you actually do, though, and were just seeking some quick, cheap, and utterly meaningless points by trying to do a dig at me. I'm not gonna bother entertaining it or whatever else you've said or probably will say down the road beyond this, especially given its ultimate irrelevancy in regards to this mass-murderer.

Anything else?

Imagine thinking Che is an innocent man. Such backwards and socially antagonistic thinking.
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Postby Caulkland » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:05 pm

I read about this earlier. Very sad. At least he lived a long and very fulfilling life.

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:05 pm

Imperium of Dragonia wrote:Another war criminal bites the dust.
And another one gone, and another one gone.

Torrocca wrote:
"I saw Che Guevara at a grocery store in Cuba years back.

I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, 'Oh, like you’re doing now?'

I was taken aback, and all I could say was 'Huh?' but he kept kept cutting me off and going 'huh? huh? huh?' and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him murder someone as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like 'Sir, you need to pay for those first.' At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and murdered her."

In other words? Spare me these lies. There's no evidence for this accusation against Che you pulled from nowhere (and in fact plenty to the contrary; simply follow the links and those within the descriptions of those videos if you don't believe me). And, for the record? I've made my most current views on Xinjiang clear in other threads, which you're more than welcome to seek out among my other posts if you actually care one bit; judging by the last bit of your quote here, I doubt you actually do, though, and were just seeking some quick, cheap, and utterly meaningless points by trying to do a dig at me. I'm not gonna bother entertaining it or whatever else you've said or probably will say down the road beyond this, especially given its ultimate irrelevancy in regards to this mass-murderer.

Anything else?

Imagine thinking Che is an innocent man. Such backwards and socially antagonistic thinking.


Whatever Che's faults were, he did far more for the betterment of humanity in his short few years by fighting for the rights, liberties, and dignities of countless people in the Global South than any false accusations demonizing him could possibly overcome. I don't care how "backwards" and "socially antagonistic" my thinking supposedly is. I know where the truth lies in my heart.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:08 pm

Che Guevara and who does or doesn't idolize him isn't the thread topic. The late Colin Powell and his passing is, so let's stay on topic please.
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Reploid Productions wrote:Che Guevara and who does or doesn't idolize him isn't the thread topic. The late Colin Powell and his passing is, so let's stay on topic please.


Right, sorry.
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Torrocca wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:
I'm curious: will you extend the same courtesy to all the people that died and suffered in the Cuban concentration camps designed to suppress homosexuality that your idol Che Guevara helped organize? Or perhaps all the people who died and are suffering in the Chinese concentration camps designed to erase Uyghur cultural identity through forced sterilization and the suppression of their language, religion, and way of life which deny even exist?

Please spare us your fake moralism. Tankies don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to talking about basic human empathy.


"I saw Che Guevara at a grocery store in Cuba years back.

I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, 'Oh, like you’re doing now?'

I was taken aback, and all I could say was 'Huh?' but he kept kept cutting me off and going 'huh? huh? huh?' and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him murder someone as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like 'Sir, you need to pay for those first.' At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and murdered her."

In other words? Spare me these lies. There's no evidence for this accusation against Che you pulled from nowhere (and in fact plenty to the contrary; simply follow the links and those within the descriptions of those videos if you don't believe me). And, for the record? I've made my most current views on Xinjiang clear in other threads, which you're more than welcome to seek out among my other posts if you actually care one bit; judging by the last bit of your quote here, I doubt you actually do, though, and were just seeking some quick, cheap, and utterly meaningless points by trying to do a dig at me. I'm not gonna bother entertaining it or whatever else you've said or probably will say down the road beyond this, especially given its ultimate irrelevancy in regards to this mass-murderer.

Anything else?


*cough**cough*

Reploid Productions wrote:Che Guevara and who does or doesn't idolize him isn't the thread topic. The late Colin Powell and his passing is, so let's stay on topic please.


Fine.
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Lady Victory wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I've nothing good to say of the man, so I'd rather take this moment to post in remembrance and thoughtfulness of all the people who are dead and suffering because of him.


I'm curious: will you extend the same courtesy to all the people that died and suffered in the Cuban concentration camps designed to suppress homosexuality that your idol Che Guevara helped organize? Or perhaps all the people who died and are suffering in the Chinese concentration camps designed to erase Uyghur cultural identity through forced sterilization and the suppression of their language, religion, and way of life which deny even exist?

Please spare us your fake moralism. Tankies don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to talking about basic human empathy.


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Thats not the way his mind worked. He came up as a honest and smart military man, not as a politician. He got eaten alive by the process.

Yet Mattis never had an issue seeing through their bullshit. As far as I am concerned powell lied and helped push a war that americans overwhelmingly did not want. If I were religious he would have to answer for it in the same place saddam is answering for his choices.
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Ethel mermania wrote:Thats not the way his mind worked. He came up as a honest and smart military man, not as a politician. He got eaten alive by the process.

Yet Mattis never had an issue seeing through their bullshit. As far as I am concerned powell lied and helped push a war that americans overwhelmingly did not want. If I were religious he would have to answer for it in the same place saddam is answering for his choices.

Like over half the population supported the war before it started and nearly seventy percent did when the invasion was underway. The highest anti-war sentiment got before the invasion iirc was around fortyish percent give or take a few points.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:36 pm

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Thats not the way his mind worked. He came up as a honest and smart military man, not as a politician. He got eaten alive by the process.

Yet Mattis never had an issue seeing through their bullshit. As far as I am concerned powell lied and helped push a war that americans overwhelmingly did not want. If I were religious he would have to answer for it in the same place saddam is answering for his choices.


Exactly. It's thanks to Powell (amongst the many others of that nest of monsters) that numerous innocents to the tune of millions are dead or suffering. All sorts of people from all sorts of walks of life who had hopes, dreams, and some kind of view of the future, either just snuffed out or left in ruin. Even kids being born today can't escape those evils. There are babies in Fallujah being born with the most horrific birth defects - if they even survive birth - thanks to what the USA did there, using things such as depleted uranium ammunition.
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