Youtuber wants Ethnostate in Colorado

[Thermodolia]

Wouldn’t take much except a redneck or two with a pickup truck and a few rifles between them to take over their “country”.

The same rednecks who are deathly scared of going into any major city? Those rednecks?

[New haven america]

Wouldn’t take much except a redneck or two with a pickup truck and a few rifles between them to take over their “country”.

The same rednecks who are deathly scared of going into any major city? Those rednecks?

Not Rednecks.

Rich kids "Summering" in Aspen.

[United Socialist Laborers]

Came here to say dont give free publicity to the idea if you dont like it but i guess the idea is dead anyways.

[Senkaku]

if we do a thread for what every YouTuber said they wanted like a year ago, we’re gonna need a bigger server…

[Kubra]

"Black Hammer" is not communist. They had a very silly video with their leader and a sledgehammer explaining such.
Anyways, as is well known, the commune thing is a grift for Gazi to fund his coke habit and has already been squandered as such. This particular cult is already in the process of disintegration.

[Xmara]

"Random dude nobody cares about posts a stupid rant on YouTube"

Fixed the title for you

[Countesia]

The main pic has like two white dudes in it.

I get it, you're not racist. Neither am I but I don't feel the need to join a black supremacy group to prove it.

[San Lumen]

Why are we giving credence to this nobody who endorsed a completely absurd idea that will never happen?

[Juristonia]

Dumb youtuber wants dumb thing.
More on this breaking news story about 20 times a day.
Stay tuned!

[Salus Maior]

Sounds pretty racist. And generally stupid.

Like a lot of far-left bullshit.

[Salus Maior]

So eager to dunk on the left that I post a months old article from some cryptocurrency news site about some now-defunct and then-irrelevant group of people.

At the very least, it's an interesting example of how nationalism and socialism aren't always in opposition to each other.

[Herador]

So eager to dunk on the left that I post a months old article from some cryptocurrency news site about some now-defunct and then-irrelevant group of people.

At the very least, it's an interesting example of how nationalism and socialism aren't always in opposition to each other.

I'd give that to you if it was at the very least not some meme-tier /pol/ insanity, but given that it is I feel like the only thing it proves is that the internet has made it easier to be a dumbass in public.

[Salus Maior]

At the very least, it's an interesting example of how nationalism and socialism aren't always in opposition to each other.

I'd give that to you if it was at the very least not some meme-tier /pol/ insanity, but given that it is I feel like the only thing it proves is that the internet has made it easier to be a dumbass in public.

The thing is, that socialism and nationalism often combine has plenty of historical precedent. Mussolini was an avowed socialist before becoming the head of Fascism, for example. The Soviet Union is another example under Stalin, and etc.etc.

[Herador]

I'd give that to you if it was at the very least not some meme-tier /pol/ insanity, but given that it is I feel like the only thing it proves is that the internet has made it easier to be a dumbass in public.

The thing is, that socialism and nationalism often combine has plenty of historical precedent. Mussolini was an avowed socialist before becoming the head of Fascism, for example. The Soviet Union is another example under Stalin, and etc.etc.

Yes, I'm aware of the... comparison, I guess. Word retrieval is going all fucky. But if we're looking to draw a meaningful example, this hardly seems like the place to plant that flag.

[Salus Maior]

The thing is, that socialism and nationalism often combine has plenty of historical precedent. Mussolini was an avowed socialist before becoming the head of Fascism, for example. The Soviet Union is another example under Stalin, and etc.etc.

Yes, I'm aware. But if we're looking to draw a meaningful example, this hardly seems like the place to plant that flag.

It shows that this impulse to combine socialism and nationalism hasn't gone away. It's still in peoples' minds even though this obviously didn't work.

[Alcala-Cordel]

I'd give that to you if it was at the very least not some meme-tier /pol/ insanity, but given that it is I feel like the only thing it proves is that the internet has made it easier to be a dumbass in public.

The thing is, that socialism and nationalism often combine has plenty of historical precedent. Mussolini was an avowed socialist before becoming the head of Fascism, for example. The Soviet Union is another example under Stalin, and etc.etc.

Both cases mentioned involve switches from socialism to nationalism, not a combination of the two. Do we really need to tear apart the "national SOCIALISTS" nonsense again?

[Salus Maior]

The thing is, that socialism and nationalism often combine has plenty of historical precedent. Mussolini was an avowed socialist before becoming the head of Fascism, for example. The Soviet Union is another example under Stalin, and etc.etc.

Both cases mentioned involve switches from socialism to nationalism, not a combination of the two. Do we really need to tear apart the "national SOCIALISTS" nonsense again?

I didn't even come close to referencing the Nazis. Which I know weren't Socialist.

And again, your black and white puritanical thinking is blinding you to real historical and political phenomena. Many socialist movements grew with nationalism in their ideology, Vietnam is another one, Cambodia, China, hell, almost every Communist movement that existed adopted or originated with some kind of relationship with nationalism.

And don't give me your "no true scotsman" claptrap. It's completely worthless to any honest study of socialist movements.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Both cases mentioned involve switches from socialism to nationalism, not a combination of the two. Do we really need to tear apart the "national SOCIALISTS" nonsense again?

I didn't even come close to referencing the Nazis. Which I know weren't Socialist.

And again, your black and white puritanical thinking is blinding you to real historical and political phenomena. Many socialist movements grew with nationalism in their ideology, Vietnam is another one, Cambodia, China, hell, almost every Communist movement that existed adopted or originated with some kind of relationship with nationalism.

And don't give me your "no true scotsman" claptrap. It's completely worthless to any honest study of socialist movements.

Notice how I never said nationalism and socialism have never been combined, rather that Mussolini and Stalin were bad examples.

In order for No True Scotsman to apply the subject has to be a Scotsman. Stalin would the equivalent of a Martian with a kilt and bagpipes in this scenario, and Mussolini would be a Martian without either.

[Salus Maior]

In order for No True Scotsman to apply the subject has to be a Scotsman. Stalin was the equivalent of a Martian with a kilt and bagpipes in this scenario.

In your opinion, which is influenced by your near-religious beliefs in what Marxism is meant to be. Plenty of academics recognize that he was a believing Marxist.

[Czechostan]

Both cases mentioned involve switches from socialism to nationalism, not a combination of the two. Do we really need to tear apart the "national SOCIALISTS" nonsense again?

I didn't even come close to referencing the Nazis. Which I know weren't Socialist.

And again, your black and white puritanical thinking is blinding you to real historical and political phenomena. Many socialist movements grew with nationalism in their ideology, Vietnam is another one, Cambodia, China, hell, almost every Communist movement that existed adopted or originated with some kind of relationship with nationalism.

And don't give me your "no true scotsman" claptrap. It's completely worthless to any honest study of socialist movements.

The two tend to go hand-in-hand when you're fighting against the colonial capitalists who dicked your nation. As for industrialized socialists, they generally adapt the position that nationalism divides the working-class, while the industrialized nationalists are less worried about rich folk than "the Jews" or whatever cabal they think is hampering the nation, though they do tend to be more economically paternalistic.

[Alcala-Cordel]

In order for No True Scotsman to apply the subject has to be a Scotsman. Stalin was the equivalent of a Martian with a kilt and bagpipes in this scenario.

In your opinion, which is influenced by your near-religious beliefs in what Marxism is meant to be.

Religious? No, I've just read the books. You can spray paint a statue of Marx and burn a copy of the Communist Manifesto for all I care, he was just a person and that is just an old book. You might wanna try reading it beforehand, though.

Plenty of academics recognize that he was a believing Marxist.

Okay, you can start to support this argument by naming some academics. Then I'll name some academics and political theorists who don't, and we'll have gone nowhere. I think you know this talking point is meaningless just as well as I do, let's move on.

[Salus Maior]

I didn't even come close to referencing the Nazis. Which I know weren't Socialist.

And again, your black and white puritanical thinking is blinding you to real historical and political phenomena. Many socialist movements grew with nationalism in their ideology, Vietnam is another one, Cambodia, China, hell, almost every Communist movement that existed adopted or originated with some kind of relationship with nationalism.

And don't give me your "no true scotsman" claptrap. It's completely worthless to any honest study of socialist movements.

The two tend to go hand-in-hand when you're fighting against the colonial capitalists who dicked your nation. As for industrialized socialists, they generally adapt the position that nationalism divides the working-class, while the industrialized nationalists are less worried about rich folk than "the Jews" or whatever cabal they think is hampering the nation, though they do tend to be more economically paternalistic.

In this case, Socialism is being used as justification to establish an ethnostate by means of segregating supposedly "colonized" peoples from the rest of society to a place where they have exclusive political power. Kind of a combination of national self-determination, a weird sort of non-Jewish Zionism, with social justice justifications.

Fascinating stuff, really.

[Nilokeras]

I didn't even come close to referencing the Nazis. Which I know weren't Socialist.

And again, your black and white puritanical thinking is blinding you to real historical and political phenomena. Many socialist movements grew with nationalism in their ideology, Vietnam is another one, Cambodia, China, hell, almost every Communist movement that existed adopted or originated with some kind of relationship with nationalism.

And don't give me your "no true scotsman" claptrap. It's completely worthless to any honest study of socialist movements.

It's worth remembering that socialism is not synonymous with Marxism. There were lots of people, Mussolini included, who thought that national liberation of countries like Italy and socialist revolution were not mutually incompatible. Of course the problem with this notion was that keeping the nation as a locus of identity was that when WWI came along people had a choice: reject the war as an imperialist concoction and join with their comrades across the borders in rejecting it, or fight with their nation and the forces of reaction to which the idea of nationhood belongs. People like Mussolini chose the nation, and became fascists. One could see a similar surrender to their loyalty to nationality in the Chinese and Vietnamese revolutions too - it's why they have markets and capitalism.

[Luziyca]

I'm fairly sure I saw a thread almost like this back in 2016 or thereabouts. Maybe 2014.

[Relden]

Hilarious title to this thread. I can tell exactly what people will be doing:

"Wh- WHAT? An ETHNOSTATE in Colorado?! This cannot be allowed."

*clicks on thread*

"THIS IS J- Oh. It's advocated by a communist for people of color. Hm. Well, actually...".