Australia, The Nanny State

[Ifreann]

Define "required to enforce it". Do they actually sit around with speed cameras going after people who are speeding to pass someone?

More or less. I've seen it on the Victorian TV show, Highway Patrol

Consider the possibility that how the police act on a TV show is not necessarily reflective of how they normally behave.

[Australian rePublic]

More or less. I've seen it on the Victorian TV show, Highway Patrol

Consider the possibility that how the police act on a TV show is not necessarily reflective of how they normally behave.

It still has real world consequences, and there are no guarantees that the footage will actually end up on TV (in fact, I would probably think that a routine traffic stop wouldn't be very likely)

[Resilient Acceleration]

What are the forces driving Australian nanny statism, though? At least in the neighbor up north of Indonesia, the driving force is quite clear—Islamic conservativism. Resulting in things like the censor board censoring Shizuka from the Doraemon series with pixels, as they think of some of her appearance in some episodes as a vulgar and un-Islamic showcase of women's body. (The TV censor board also tolerates rape in their workplace, but that's outside of this discussion's scope).

[Saiwania]

Easy fix; just obscure your license plate.

Its illegal in most places to cover up your license plate while driving, given that the entire point is for your car to be able to be identified for tax and other purposes. There are some slippery rascals who try using those license plate flippers but it can go badly if they're caught with it.

Wouldn't a car in Australia catch more attention having a blank plate as opposed to a fake number?

[Relden]

Easy fix; just obscure your license plate.

Its illegal in most places to cover up your license plate while driving, given that the entire point is for your car to be able to be identified for tax and other purposes.

That's the point of obscuring it; so they can't identify you exactly.

It's served me well many times.

[Australian rePublic]

More or less. I've seen it on the Victorian TV show, Highway Patrol

Easy fix; just obscure your license plate.

Which is not only highly illegal, but also useless when a cop pulls you over and asks to see your licence, rendering your number plate unnecessary to the procedure as the driver, rather than the vehicle, is one who recieves the fine

[Relden]

Which is not only highly illegal, but also useless when a cop pulls you over and asks to see your licence,

They can't pull you over if you don't stop, remember.

[Australian rePublic]

[quote="Relden";p="39066981"Easy fix; just obscure your license plate.

Which is not only highly illegal, but also useless when a cop pulls you over and asks to see your licence,

They can't pull you over if you don't stop, remember.[/quote]
Yes, well, there's no need to turn a return traffic stop into a criminal procedure. I'm not encouraging anybody to break the law

[Relden]

Yes, well, there's no need to turn a return traffic stop into a criminal procedure. I'm not encouraging anybody to break the law

I've been lit up several times by police, and have only stopped for them once (the time I ran a stop sign).

There's rarely any hope of them catching you if you gun it and exit the freeway, and they're unlikely to use the chopper on you unless you're seen driving especially dangerously or flee the scene of a traffic stop.

[Australian rePublic]

Yes, well, there's no need to turn a return traffic stop into a criminal procedure. I'm not encouraging anybody to break the law

I've been lit up several times by police, and have only stopped for them once (the time I ran a stop sign).

There's rarely any hope of them catching you if you gun it and exit the freeway, and they're unlikely to use the chopper on you unless you're seen driving especially dangerously or flee the scene of a traffic stop.

So then why flee from the police? Also, it's not just the police. Speed cameras will ping you for going 102 in a 100 zone. Also, as much as I think that the law is stupid, I'm not gonna go and actively or intentionally break the law, nor would I encourage others to do so

[Relden]

So then why flee from the police?

Because it's easy and avoids a citation.

Also, it's not just the police. Speed cameras will ping you for going 102 in a 100 zone

True, but they read your plate, of which mine would be changed or obscured.

[Australian rePublic]

So then why flee from the police?

Because it's easy and avoids a citation.

Also, it's not just the police. Speed cameras will ping you for going 102 in a 100 zone

True, but they read your plate, of which mine would be changed or obscured.

Well, as much as I think it's stupid, I'm not actively going to go and break the law, nor would I encourage others to do so.

[Ifreann]

Yes, well, there's no need to turn a return traffic stop into a criminal procedure. I'm not encouraging anybody to break the law

I've been lit up several times by police, and have only stopped for them once (the time I ran a stop sign).

There's rarely any hope of them catching you if you gun it and exit the freeway, and they're unlikely to use the chopper on you unless you're seen driving especially dangerously or flee the scene of a traffic stop.

Or are driving while black.

[Saiwania]

Because it's easy and avoids a citation.

The point being asked is, what if a cop was good enough at their job to not stop chasing you and you were apprehended? It'd be bad. Its even worse in the US because the cops there can resort to shooting at suspects past a certain point of their patience being tried.

[Relden]

The point being asked is, what if a cop was good enough at their job to not stop chasing you and you were apprehended? It'd be bad. Its even worse in the US because the cops there can resort to shooting at suspects past a certain point of their patience being tried.

It doesn't matter how good a cop is. Their cars can only go so fast, and mine will outrun them every time.

[CoraSpia]

Australia is amazing!
It teaches British people that yes, there is worse.

[Infected Mushroom]

Australia is amazing!
It teaches British people that yes, there is worse.

The worse is compulsory voting.

[CoraSpia]

Australia is amazing!
It teaches British people that yes, there is worse.

The worse is compulsory voting.

That's not actually the worst thing Australia does.

[Rio Cana]

Of course, Australians in some parts are told not to go over 100 kph. since this can happen.

Warning kind of graphic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK5XNocpzjo

[Ifreann]

Of course, Australians in some parts are told not to go over 100 kph. since this can happen.

Every country has animals that can end up on the roads.

[The H Corporation]

Of course, Australians in some parts are told not to go over 100 kph. since this can happen.

Every country has animals that can end up on the roads.

It is really sad. But very accurate

[Major-Tom]

Australia sometimes errs towards "too paternalistic," sure. However, a lot of the examples you cited seem more like odd inconveniences that likely won't impact your day to day life. If you'd cited COVID protocols in places like Vic and NSW, maybe there would be some room for substantive discussion.

But the examples posted? IDK, just seems like the kind of nonsense that gets passed in most developed countries (and that is often unenforced).

[Cetacea]

Nothing about the raids on the ABC, the arrest of Friendlyjordie's producer (which may/may not have been Bruz's orders) and the new law that allows Police to hack into our devices and social media account and pretend to be us?

I feel like these incidents would give you a better case on why Australia is a Nanny state

This is abuse of power, which is very different from nanny state. We need better systems in place to protect us from such abuse of power, but that's a different discussion in and of itself

A step towards a Nanny state is a step closer to abuse Of power, unfortunately they sit on the same continuum, especially in Australia which started as a Squatters State where corporate aristocracy was able to be exploit the labour of convicts and Sugar slaves.

The same mentality prevails with the Oz government sold out to Mining interest and a desire to be little America, allowed to play in the big boys club.

[Neanderthaland]

Indeed. We should never change laws.

Now if you'll excuse me, I owe Pharaoh a year of service. Those pyramids won't build themselves.

I never we shouldn't change laws. Just that we should stop introducing stupid ones

I think basically everyone is opposed to "stupid laws." The problem is that people can't agree on what's stupid.

And just because you think that a law is dumb, doesn't mean that it actually is, or that others will agree with you. In fact: pretty much by definition, there have to be a fair number of people who don't agree with you for a law to have been passed. You know, unless you live in a dictatorship, or something.

Now if you find a way around that, by all means I'd be interested to hear it. But until then, laws we don't like or agree with will occasionally be passed. And, "just because what you wanna do is legal now, doesn't necessarily mean it will be in the future."

[Australian rePublic]

Of course, Australians in some parts are told not to go over 100 kph. since this can happen.

Warning kind of graphic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK5XNocpzjo

The road between Canberra and the Snowy Mountains is lined by dead kangaroos in snow season, in order to serve as a warning