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Conservative UK MP stabbed to death

Postby Neu California » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:04 am

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The BBC wrote:Conservative MP Sir David Amess has died after being stabbed at his constituency surgery in Essex.

Police said a 25-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of murder after the attack at a church in Leigh-on-Sea.

They said they recovered a knife and were not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident.

Sir David, 69, had been an MP since 1983 and was married with five children.

Health Secretary Sajid Javid said he was "a great man, a great friend, and a great MP, killed while fulfilling his democratic role".

Chancellor Rishi Sunak said: "The worst aspect of violence is its inhumanity. It steals joy from the world and can take from us that which we love the most.

"Today it took a father, a husband, and a respected colleague. All my thoughts and prayers are with Sir David's loved ones."

Sir David, who represented Southend West, was holding a constituency surgery - where voters can meet their MP and discuss concerns - at Belfairs Methodist Church in Eastwood Road North.

Essex Police said they received reports of a stabbing shortly after 12:05 BST and found a man injured.

He was treated by emergency services but died at the scene.

Sir David is the second sitting MP to be killed in the last five years, following the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox in 2016.

She was killed outside a library in Birstall, West Yorkshire, where she was due to hold a constituency surgery.

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Who was Sir David Amess?
A Conservative backbencher for nearly forty years, Sir David entered Parliament in 1983 as the MP for Basildon.

He held the seat in 1992, but switched to nearby Southend West at the 1997 election.

Raised as a Roman Catholic, he was known politically as a social conservative and as a prominent campaigner against abortion and on animal welfare issues.

He was also known for his championing of Southend, including a long-running campaign to win city status for the town.

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Southend councillor John Lamb told the BBC that Sir David moved his surgeries to different locations around the constituency "to meet the people" and said the attack was "absolutely dreadful".

"We've lost a very good, hard working constituency MP who worked for everyone," he said.

Father Jeff Woolnough, parish priest at nearby St Peter's Catholic Church, told the BBC: "Sir David was a great, great man, a good Catholic and a friend to all...

"He's died doing that, that's the remarkable thing. He's died serving the people."

Speaker of the House of Commons Sir Lindsay Hoyle said: "This is an incident that will send shockwaves across the parliamentary community and the whole country."

He said he was shocked and deeply distressed by the killing of a "lovely man", and said in the coming days they would need to examine MPs' security.

Labour London Mayor Sadiq Khan said he was "deeply, deeply saddened" and described Sir David as "a great public servant".

Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey said it was "a truly terrible day for British politics but most importantly of all our prayers are with all the people who loved David".

Flags around Parliament are being flown at half-mast



WTF? Just why would you stab a man to death like this? The beeb's article doesn't offer a motive, so one can only speculate. While I am no conservative, I can say I emphasize with his family. My dad was stabbed to death during a botched robbery in 2015, and I can safely say that the pain never goes away, and I hope this mans killer receives the harshest sentence available under the law
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:06 am

Neu California wrote:WTF? Just why would you stab a man to death like this?

Is the concept of assassination new to you?

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Postby Antipatros » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:11 am

It's absolutely disgusting.

Considering that these attacks keep happening, it might be worthwhile for MPs to receive security services from the central government.

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Postby Luziyca » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:14 am

Well, that was most definitely a bit of Amess.

Condolences to his friends and family.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:15 am

Two MP's murdered in the space of about five years and i know of at least two more who had plots against them in that time frame, Jeremy Corbyn and Rosie Cooper.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:21 am

Antipatros wrote:Considering that these attacks keep happening, it might be worthwhile for MPs to receive security services from the central government.

They already do in many respects:

When they are in Parliament, MPs are well protected by a specialist armed police department called Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection. For most MPs there is not the same close protection when they are in their constituencies. Parliament offers MPs and their staff guidance on security, including tips on how to run a safe constituency surgery, suspicious post and home security. Parliament will pay for MPs to have some security measures installed - such as security alarms and shutters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58930593
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:28 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Considering that these attacks keep happening, it might be worthwhile for MPs to receive security services from the central government.

They already do in many respects:

When they are in Parliament, MPs are well protected by a specialist armed police department called Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection. For most MPs there is not the same close protection when they are in their constituencies. Parliament offers MPs and their staff guidance on security, including tips on how to run a safe constituency surgery, suspicious post and home security. Parliament will pay for MPs to have some security measures installed - such as security alarms and shutters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58930593

Ultimately there's always going to be some risk in doing constituency surgeries.

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Postby Antipatros » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:31 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Considering that these attacks keep happening, it might be worthwhile for MPs to receive security services from the central government.

They already do in many respects:

When they are in Parliament, MPs are well protected by a specialist armed police department called Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection. For most MPs there is not the same close protection when they are in their constituencies. Parliament offers MPs and their staff guidance on security, including tips on how to run a safe constituency surgery, suspicious post and home security. Parliament will pay for MPs to have some security measures installed - such as security alarms and shutters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58930593

I did see that. I guess I mean they should probably be getting security details while they're out doing events like this. That would probably be fairly expensive, but would be worthwhile in my opinion.

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Postby Kargintinia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:47 am

Condolences to his family

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:50 am

Antipatros wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:They already do in many respects:

When they are in Parliament, MPs are well protected by a specialist armed police department called Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection. For most MPs there is not the same close protection when they are in their constituencies. Parliament offers MPs and their staff guidance on security, including tips on how to run a safe constituency surgery, suspicious post and home security. Parliament will pay for MPs to have some security measures installed - such as security alarms and shutters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58930593

I did see that. I guess I mean they should probably be getting security details while they're out doing events like this. That would probably be fairly expensive, but would be worthwhile in my opinion.

I dunno about that, as these incidents are extremely rare, and if anything creating a distance between politicians and the public via heavies between you and them may damage democracy.
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Postby The H Corporation » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:04 am

Ifreann wrote:
Neu California wrote:WTF? Just why would you stab a man to death like this?

Is the concept of assassination new to you?

You cannot imagine how many times I have heard of political assassination where I live
Kargintinia wrote:Condolences to his family

It is quite a tragedy, indeed. Hope their families can recover from this unfortunate event
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:08 am

Neu California wrote:WTF? Just why would you stab a man to death like this? The beeb's article doesn't offer a motive, so one can only speculate.


Terrorism, a hunter strongly in favour of foxhunting, a man believing in LGBTQetc or womens rights, someone strongly disappointed by Brexit etc. etc.
No doubt the motive will be revealed.
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Postby Galimencia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:07 pm

It's high time that all the MPs get security both inside and outside the House of Commons. Apparently the world now is a dirtier place than ever and the government must ensure to protect those people whom we had voted for. Killing a people's representative does more damage to democracy than giving these representatives security.

Condolences to his family and loved ones. RIP Sir David Amess.
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Postby Antipatros » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:21 pm

https://twitter.com/OliverDowden/status/1449048010273476619

Oliver Dowden wrote:In light of today’s tragic events we have decided it is appropriate to suspend all of our campaigning activities across the UK until further notice.


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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:59 pm

Galimencia wrote:Killing a people's representative does more damage to democracy than giving these representatives security.

While everyone will be rather shaken by this happening, it should be said that these types of attacks are extremely rare. Creating a barrier of security between politicians and the public will have the effect of distancing them from the public in terms of their approachability. A key factor in public faith in democracy is the public's perception that their elected representative can be approached. Unfortunately in order to be approachable there needs to be a balancing of acceptable risk, and considering there are many thousands of surgeries run by MPs without incident whatsoever, it might be premature to go down a heavy-handed route of providing bodyguards and the like to MPs.

To put actual numbers to it, there are 650 MPs. Each one will have a surgery about once a week, so that's 33,800 total surgeries by all MPs per year, and for each 5 year block between elections that's 169,000 surgeries. The vast overwhelming majority of those will take place without any incident whatsoever.

Six MPs have been killed since WW2, in that time millions of surgeries will have been carried out, as well as their other duties with the public. Of those six, four deaths were linked to IRA attacks, with the other two being Jo Cox and Sir David Amess.

So while those deaths and this recent death are tragic, we should think long and hard before we damage democracy by putting up barriers between MPs and the public.
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Postby Kerwa » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:15 pm

Very sad.

The New California Republic wrote:While everyone will be rather shaken by this happening, it should be said that these types of attacks are extremely rare. Creating a barrier of security between politicians and the public will have the effect of distancing them from the public in terms of their approachability. A key factor in public faith in democracy is the public's perception that their elected representative can be approached. Unfortunately in order to be approachable there needs to be a balancing of acceptable risk, and considering there are many thousands of surgeries run by MPs without incident whatsoever, it might be premature to go down a heavy-handed route of providing bodyguards and the like to MPs.


This. The approachability of British MPs is one of the really good things about the country and shouldn’t be changed because of an outlier event.

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Postby Antipatros » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:30 pm

This discussion about security for MPs reminds me a bit of how we used to drive our Presidents around in open-topped Lincolns here in America. That sure is a bygone era.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:36 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Galimencia wrote:Killing a people's representative does more damage to democracy than giving these representatives security.

While everyone will be rather shaken by this happening, it should be said that these types of attacks are extremely rare. Creating a barrier of security between politicians and the public will have the effect of distancing them from the public in terms of their approachability. A key factor in public faith in democracy is the public's perception that their elected representative can be approached. Unfortunately in order to be approachable there needs to be a balancing of acceptable risk, and considering there are many thousands of surgeries run by MPs without incident whatsoever, it might be premature to go down a heavy-handed route of providing bodyguards and the like to MPs.

To put actual numbers to it, there are 650 MPs. Each one will have a surgery about once a week, so that's 33,800 total surgeries by all MPs per year, and for each 5 year block between elections that's 169,000 surgeries. The vast overwhelming majority of those will take place without any incident whatsoever.

Six MPs have been killed since WW2, in that time millions of surgeries will have been carried out, as well as their other duties with the public. Of those six, four deaths were linked to IRA attacks, with the other two being Jo Cox and Sir David Amess.

So while those deaths and this recent death are tragic, we should think long and hard before we damage democracy by putting up barriers between MPs and the public.

I think there have been instances of violent attacks at constituency surgeries that did not lead to the death of the MP in question. Lib Dem MP Nigel Jones was attacked in 2000 by a constituent wielding a 3ft long samurai sword. He survived, but an aide and local councillor who was present, Andrew Pennington, died defending him.

But on the whole you are right, violent attacks at constituency surgeries are not especially common.

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Postby Antipatros » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:43 pm

David Amess: Fatal stabbing of Tory MP declared as a terrorist incident by police

Preliminary at this point, but this attack appears to have been motivated by Islamist extremism. It should be stressed that the investigation is at an early stage -- there could be other stuff at play as well.

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Saw it on the news yesterday morning. Jesus christ.



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This is vindication of what the far right has been saying all along. Close off all immigration to the UK if the people are from undeveloped economies.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:10 pm

Saiwania wrote:


This is vindication of what the far right has been saying all along. Close off all immigration to the UK if the people are from undeveloped economies.


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