Cyprus, the other one-state and two-state solution dilemma.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Was it a war crime when PRC deported the Japanese from Manchuria then?

I don't know what you're talking about, but it is a real crime that the Turkish government at that time deported people of Greek origin living in Turkey and whose home was Turkey. Don't forget the 1964 ''$20 20 kilogram''racist crime. It is racism practiced by the Turkish government. racists cannot unite Cyprus, pro-European social democrats will achieve this.

[Redeemed Britannia]

Was it a war crime when PRC deported the Japanese from Manchuria then?

I mean strictly speaking it wasn't a war crime, but that's because the winning side had agreed that they were going to do it both as a punitive measure and as a way to ensure further Sino-Japanese Wars wouldn't be possible half a century later (like other acts of ethnic cleansing that the Allies committed during the war). Mind you, there's a question to be made about what right literal colonists have in a decolonised country, because the majority, though not necessarily all, Turks living in Occupied Cyprus are literally colonists who don't have any sort of tie to the land and who quite literally are living in the house of the country's actual indigenous Greek population.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Was it a war crime when PRC deported the Japanese from Manchuria then?

I mean strictly speaking it wasn't a war crime, but that's because the winning side had agreed that they were going to do it both as a punitive measure and as a way to ensure further Sino-Japanese Wars wouldn't be possible half a century later (like other acts of ethnic cleansing that the Allies committed during the war). Mind you, there's a question to be made about what right literal colonists have in a decolonised country, because the majority, though not necessarily all, Turks living in Occupied Cyprus are literally colonists who don't have any sort of tie to the land and who quite literally are living in the house of the country's actual indigenous Greek population.

This discourse is a lie, the truth is that the Turks settled there in 1573. 448 years ago.

[FNU]

This discourse is a lie, the truth is that the Turks settled there in 1573. 448 years ago.

Well if you want to get that technical about the matter, then you could mention that Cyprus was settled by Mycenaean Greeks in the 2nd millennium BC, or their colonization by the Assyrians and Egyptians (ignoring earlier and later periods of Roman and Eastern Roman rule on the island, alongside French and Venetian). So, if we're going by dates of settlement, the Greeks have more a right then the Turks.

[Redeemed Britannia]

I mean strictly speaking it wasn't a war crime, but that's because the winning side had agreed that they were going to do it both as a punitive measure and as a way to ensure further Sino-Japanese Wars wouldn't be possible half a century later (like other acts of ethnic cleansing that the Allies committed during the war). Mind you, there's a question to be made about what right literal colonists have in a decolonised country, because the majority, though not necessarily all, Turks living in Occupied Cyprus are literally colonists who don't have any sort of tie to the land and who quite literally are living in the house of the country's actual indigenous Greek population.

This discourse is a lie, the truth is that the Turks settled there in 1573. 448 years ago.

I mean, the Turks who actually are living in the house of the country's indigenous Greek population are quite literally settlers who came there in 1974. Sure, there's also settlers who've been there since 1573, but literally the seven words before what you've underlined explains that.

[Kergstan]

This discourse is a lie, the truth is that the Turks settled there in 1573. 448 years ago.

I mean, the Turks who actually are living in the house of the country's indigenous Greek population are quite literally settlers who came there in 1974. Sure, there's also settlers who've been there since 1573, but literally the seven words before what you've underlined explains that.

The only ones who have illegaly settled and that are part of an occupation plan are those from 1974, no reason to delegitimise the turkish population of the island at large.

[Salus Maior]

I mean, the Turks who actually are living in the house of the country's indigenous Greek population are quite literally settlers who came there in 1974. Sure, there's also settlers who've been there since 1573, but literally the seven words before what you've underlined explains that.

The only ones who have illegaly settled and that are part of an occupation plan are those from 1974, no reason to delegitimise the turkish population of the island at large.

Frankly, I don't see why Turkish Cypriots can't just be resettled in Turkey. That's what happened to most Turks in the Balkans.

[Redeemed Britannia]

I mean, the Turks who actually are living in the house of the country's indigenous Greek population are quite literally settlers who came there in 1974. Sure, there's also settlers who've been there since 1573, but literally the seven words before what you've underlined explains that.

The only ones who have illegaly settled and that are part of an occupation plan are those from 1974, no reason to delegitimise the turkish population of the island at large.

I'm not delegitimising them and I'm not even calling for the minority of Turks in Cyprus who aren't settlers who came there post-1974 to be removed, I'm just calling them what they are: colonists and settlers. Turks got there in the late 1500s, specifically as settlers after the conquest of that island. This happened after the colonisation of, say, Cuba or half of the New World and we don't call Spaniards there indigenous just because enough time has passed since they went there to settle and displace a native population.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

The only ones who have illegaly settled and that are part of an occupation plan are those from 1974, no reason to delegitimise the turkish population of the island at large.

I'm not delegitimising them and I'm not even calling for the minority of Turks in Cyprus who aren't settlers who came there post-1974 to be removed, I'm just calling them what they are: colonists and settlers. Turks got there in the late 1500s, specifically as settlers after the conquest of that island. This happened after the colonisation of, say, Cuba or half of the New World and we don't call Spaniards there indigenous just because enough time has passed since they went there to settle and displace a native population.

The only country that should not be on the island is the British Empire, which came out of the European Union.It remains an imperialist wound of the Ottomans. Does II. Elizabeth know the geographic location of Cyprus ? I will watch with pleasure that the only legitimate leader of Syria, Bashar Assad, and Queen Elizabeth have agreed.

The only ones who have illegaly settled and that are part of an occupation plan are those from 1974, no reason to delegitimise the turkish population of the island at large.

Frankly, I don't see why Turkish Cypriots can't just be resettled in Turkey. That's what happened to most Turks in the Balkans.

Could it be because the island of Cyprus is the homeland of the Turkish Cypriots? Just like the homeland of Greeks living in Turkey is Turkey.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

says the guy wanting to turn Cyprus into Erdogan's personal plaything.

[The Cazistan]

Cyprus only exists as an independent country because there were too many Greeks living there for it to become a part of Turkey and vise versa, now that the Greeks and Turks have mostly self segregated I think the only sensible thing to do is to unite each part with their respective nation.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Cyprus only exists as an independent country because there were too many Greeks living there for it to become a part of Turkey and vise versa, now that the Greeks and Turks have mostly self segregated I think the only sensible thing to do is to unite each part with their respective nation.

You would sooner unite the Palestinians and the Israelis or the PRC'ians and the Taiwanese.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

says the guy wanting to turn Cyprus into Erdogan's personal plaything.

Unfortunately, this is the case, erdogan never thinks about cyprus, his only concern is getting votes, erdogan doesn't like people. Unfortunately, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has a structure that is politically influenced by Turkey. all cyprus people know this. Therefore, those who see the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as a small homeland are doing the greatest insult to the island of Cyprus and the Turkish Cypriots. Yavru Vatan Değil Kardeş Vatan !

Cyprus only exists as an independent country because there were too many Greeks living there for it to become a part of Turkey and vise versa, now that the Greeks and Turks have mostly self segregated I think the only sensible thing to do is to unite each part with their respective nation.

No, cyprus will remain as a whole! This is what the conscientious Cypriot people want.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Turkey will return to modern liberalism when the Sun turns into a white dwarf some 10-20 billion years from now... probably... Meanwhile Turkey and its rampant authoritarianism is probably not the topic.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Turkey will return to modern liberalism when the Sun turns into a white dwarf some 10-20 billion years from now... probably... Meanwhile Turkey and its rampant authoritarianism is probably not the topic.

Believe me, it won't be long before the good old days are coming, modernized in accordance with science! we will get rid of political islamist fascists ! With these statements, you either do not know the history of Turkey or you deliberately make biased statements with your prejudiced thoughts. The 2019 elections were not only a response to political Islam, but also a response to the Greek Cypriot administration, which racistly attacked Turkish Cypriots.

We Are Coming

[Herador]

Turkey will return to modern liberalism when the Sun turns into a white dwarf some 10-20 billion years from now... probably... Meanwhile Turkey and its rampant authoritarianism is probably not the topic.

Believe me, it won't be long before the good old days are coming, modernized in accordance with science! we will get rid of political islamist fascists ! With these statements, you either do not know the history of Turkey or you deliberately make biased statements with your prejudiced thoughts. The 2019 elections were not only a response to political Islam, but also a response to the Greek Cypriot administration, which racistly attacked Turkish Cypriots.

We Are Coming

I'm honestly convinced someone is beta testing a bot to make political speeches on this forum.

[FNU]

No, cyprus will remain as a whole! This is what the conscientious Cypriot people want.

What authority do you have to say that?

[Derhem Sultenet]

Believe me, it won't be long before the good old days are coming, modernized in accordance with science! we will get rid of political islamist fascists ! With these statements, you either do not know the history of Turkey or you deliberately make biased statements with your prejudiced thoughts. The 2019 elections were not only a response to political Islam, but also a response to the Greek Cypriot administration, which racistly attacked Turkish Cypriots.

We Are Coming

I'm honestly convinced someone is beta testing a bot to make political speeches on this forum.

That would honestly make sense lmao

[Eye-Kyu]

if we don't want a war, then a two state solution is best. North and South Cyprus

[Kergstan]

I'm honestly convinced someone is beta testing a bot to make political speeches on this forum.

That would honestly make sense lmao

I’d believe that too but sadly i had to debate with so many ideologically-formed turks online that i can trust he’s being honest, kemalist indoctrination at a young age hurts.

[Kaczynskisatva]

Is the island being divided really that big of an issue? Keep it divided.

Can someone please explain to me, what is the problem with the current status-quo?

It's kind of troubling that four pages of discussion of the "problem" can unfold here, without definition of the problem.

Where is the problem with the current partition of this island? Who is having this problem?

[-Astoria-]

Is the island being divided really that big of an issue? Keep it divided.

Can someone please explain to me, what is the problem with the current status-quo?

It's kind of troubling that four pages of discussion of the "problem" can unfold here, without definition of the problem.

Where is the problem with the current partition of this island? Who is having this problem?

First, a history lesson: as of present, half of the island is controlled by the Turkish-backed unrecognised state of Northern Cyprus, which was set up after Turkey invaded in 1974, which was done after a pro-enosis (ie unifying Cyprus with the then Greek military regime) coup d'état.

Why did Turkey decide to invade? They claim that they were invoking its right under the Treaty of Guarantee to protect the Turkish Cypriots (yes, they existed, & were not so keen on the idea of unifying with Greece; they eventually responded with their own nationalism) and guarantee the independence of Cyprus; make your own decision on that.

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Where is the problem with the current partition of this island? Who is having this problem?

Quite a number of people here view Nothern Cyprus as an illegal occupation of rightful Cypriot soil, & generally being an extension of Turkey in all but name.

Another thing is that as a result, the island has now been split along ethnic lines (expanding this UN line separating the two states); tens of thousands of Greek Cypriots were evacuated in the aftermath of the war, leaving behind property & houses which ended up in the hands of a large number of settlers from the Turkish mainland.

Another issue raised is the person currently controlling Turkey at the moment — this guy — who isn't particularly liked for a number of reasons.

It's also a matter of concern for the EU, given that Cyprus is a member of the bloc; ironically, Turkey is in negotiations to become a member state as well, which makes things a little awkward.

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Disclaimer: I may have oversimplified in the explanation.

[Redeemed Britannia]

Is the island being divided really that big of an issue? Keep it divided.

Can someone please explain to me, what is the problem with the current status-quo?

It's kind of troubling that four pages of discussion of the "problem" can unfold here, without definition of the problem.

Where is the problem with the current partition of this island? Who is having this problem?

I mean, a foreign country is occupying a portion of the island, has established what is de facto a puppet state (that, of course, only said country recognizes as illegitimate) and actively expelled the place's indigenous population and had a class of settlers take over their homes (literally, in some cases). The Status Quo legitimizes Turkey's position in that it will be allowed to get away with acts of colonialism and ethnic displacement, recognizing Northern Cyprus is similarly out of question because it is literally an illegal settler state.

[Kergstan]

On the northern side the main reason pushing many for reunification is that TRNC suffers economically for not being recognized.

[Kaczynskisatva]

Quite a number of people here view Nothern Cyprus as an illegal occupation of rightful Cypriot soil, & generally being an extension of Turkey in all but name.

Another thing is that as a result, the island has now been split along ethnic lines (expanding this UN line separating the two states); tens of thousands of Greek Cypriots were evacuated in the aftermath of the war, leaving behind property & houses which ended up in the hands of a large number of settlers from the Turkish mainland.

Another issue raised is the person currently controlling Turkey at the moment — this guy — who isn't particularly liked for a number of reasons.

It's also a matter of concern for the EU, given that Cyprus is a member of the bloc; ironically, Turkey is in negotiations to become a member state as well, which makes things a little awkward.

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Disclaimer: I may have oversimplified in the explanation.

From this response, I have understood that the following people have a problem because of this situation:

- People posting on the Nationstates forums, because "X place is rightful Y clay"
- Greeks who were evacuated 25ish years ago who lost something
- People posting on the Nationstates forums, again, because they personally dislike a Turkish leader who they do not personally know
- Supposedly EU politicians, who clearly don't care, and have sacrificed Greece to Turkey in a bid to keep it from aligning with Russia/China, which will fail in the long run away

With respect to the displaced Cypriots, it would be easier to compensate them with money, and by moving them around somewhere within the EU, like it does for every other refugee from anywhere.
With respect to the money, there is some argument here to sanction Turkey - but, again, see the interests of EU politicians, who are supposed to care about this, but don't.

So, it still isn't clear to me what the problem is, or who has it. If the problem is that the EU should pay money and offer resettlement to Cypriots to compensate for having sacrificed them to Turkey in a failing bid to expand NATO's already-collapsing sphere of influence, sure. Greeks, in general, are mostly climbing over themselves to get into Germany anyway, for the pay grade - surely, Momma Merkel's luscious teets are so swine-like in their bountiful number, that there is room for some Cypriots to latch onto them, and suckle alongside all of the Ghanans and Pakistanis fleeing the brutal chlorine gas attacks in Syria.

With that solution provided, this problem is not the problem of the two-state situation on Cyprus. Since you have provided no evidence that anyone has a problem for which the most practical solution is attempting to modify the status quo partition of the island of Cyprus, I am going to continue to assume that no one has such a problem, until new evidence is presented that someone, somewhere, has such a problem for which this is the most expedient solution.