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Postby Immoren » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:20 am

Starting to feel like lot more older media should be forcibly diversified after the fact.
Just for kicks.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:27 am

Immoren wrote:Starting to feel like lot more older media should be forcibly diversified after the fact.
Just for kicks.


I’m all for diversity in many many things but in terms of media and stories, I think there should be a default race for the vast majority of works. I feel strongly about this and it goes in all directions.

If they made Light Yagami, Aladdin or Mulan white it would annoy me too.

For me, changing the implied/explicit default race of a character in a work of fiction is as big if not even bigger than altering their gender. It’s just not something to be casually done.
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:30 am

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Valentine Z wrote:So my mechanical pencil arrived today - 6 days early! It's a little expensive but it writes well. :3



A special order?

It looks amazing. What are the perks of this model?

Nahhhh, plain ol order for myself! Not personalized or anything, ahaha.

It has an adjustable lead sleeve, "a special spring mechanism in the tip that can be toggled to reduce lead breakage", and best of all - lead indicator (2B, B, HB, F, H, 2H, 4H). I love these as a kid, and I still love them now, even if it is just to indicate the grade of the lead I put in.

I have quite a thing for stationery, especially mechanical pencils. ♥
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:31 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
A special order?

It looks amazing. What are the perks of this model?

Nahhhh, plain ol order for myself! Not personalized or anything, ahaha.

It has an adjustable lead sleeve, "a special spring mechanism in the tip that can be toggled to reduce lead breakage", and best of all - lead indicator (2B, B, HB, F, H, 2H, 4H). I love these as a kid, and I still love them now, even if it is just to indicate the grade of the lead I put in.


Lead indicator is great. Is it good for sketching too? How’s the grip?

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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:34 am

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Valentine Z wrote:Nahhhh, plain ol order for myself! Not personalized or anything, ahaha.

It has an adjustable lead sleeve, "a special spring mechanism in the tip that can be toggled to reduce lead breakage", and best of all - lead indicator (2B, B, HB, F, H, 2H, 4H). I love these as a kid, and I still love them now, even if it is just to indicate the grade of the lead I put in.


Lead indicator is great. Is it good for sketching too? How’s the grip?

Pretty okay! The rough metal grip is, well, grippy! It does feel a little light since it's mostly made of plastic. A relatively expensive plastic, but not all-metal. Still, no complaints so far, and it really is good for sketching and writing (the latter which I mostly do).

I do miss the rolling feature that I used in my previous pencil, so I might use a bit of both. Rolling or not, my hand is instinctively rolling the pencil, anyway!
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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:37 am

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Immoren wrote:Starting to feel like lot more older media should be forcibly diversified after the fact.
Just for kicks.


I’m all for diversity in many many things but[…]

But you want to enforce racial hegemony in a story about a multicultural band setting off to defeat a fascistic coded evil.

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Postby Xmara » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:53 am

Valentine Z wrote:So my mechanical pencil arrived today - 6 days early! It's a little expensive but it writes well. :3


That is the fanciest mechanical pencil I've ever seen
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:55 am

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Valentine Z wrote:So my mechanical pencil arrived today - 6 days early! It's a little expensive but it writes well. :3


That is the fanciest mechanical pencil I've ever seen

Thank you! ^^ I agree too, I am going to use it a lot when I am going back to office next week. :3
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:47 am

Have I ever mentioned that I hate the cold?
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Postby Azania- » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:56 am

Thermodolia wrote:Have I ever mentioned that I hate the cold?

Same here. Back in high school I spent the July holidays with family in Johannesburg, and it wasn't a pleasant experience.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:58 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Have I ever mentioned that I hate the cold?

Same here. Back in high school I spent the July holidays with family in Johannesburg, and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

That was the only nice time of the year in Jo’burg.

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Postby Azania- » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:04 pm

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Azania- wrote:Same here. Back in high school I spent the July holidays with family in Johannesburg, and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

That was the only nice time of the year in Jo’burg.

Aside from the bitter cold I enjoyed myself and would actually look forward to spending time there. When were you there?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:13 pm

Azania- wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Have I ever mentioned that I hate the cold?

Same here. Back in high school I spent the July holidays with family in Johannesburg, and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

Ya. It’s only 73/22 now so it’s not terrible but this morning it was 68/20 and I was freezing
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:17 pm

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Its 100% verifiable fact that Hobbiton wouldn't be diverse, given that its based on rural Victorian era England. They would at minimum, all be of fairer complexion. What Amazon has in mind is to keep the setting but try to make its inhabitants more like those of modern London. Its an outrage, not in my Middle Earth. Its all non-canon if they go through with it. The Tolkien estate is supposed to have veto power but they aren't using it.


If the estate isn't vetoing it that means it must fit with the original vision. Which they understand better than you.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:20 pm

Azania- wrote:
Heloin wrote:That was the only nice time of the year in Jo’burg.

Aside from the bitter cold I enjoyed myself and would actually look forward to spending time there. When were you there?

Last time was 2007.

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Postby Relden » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:21 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Have I ever mentioned that I hate the cold?

I enjoy the cold.

Winter is one of my favorite times of year. Unfortunately, it doesn't get all that cold here.
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Postby Azania- » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:31 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Azania- wrote:Same here. Back in high school I spent the July holidays with family in Johannesburg, and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

Ya. It’s only 73/22 now so it’s not terrible but this morning it was 68/20 and I was freezing

Yikes. The temperature here's has more or less been between 25 and the upper teens for the last few weeks, but summer's coming so yay!
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:44 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Ya. It’s only 73/22 now so it’s not terrible but this morning it was 68/20 and I was freezing

Yikes. The temperature here's has more or less been between 25 and the upper teens for the last few weeks, but summer's coming so yay!

Summer here is winding down. During the hight of summer it got to 117/47. Mostly stayed around 105/40. Winter will be in the low 60s/teens so not looking forward to that. Still it’s warmer than the rest of the nation
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:46 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Immoren wrote:Starting to feel like lot more older media should be forcibly diversified after the fact.
Just for kicks.


I’m all for diversity in many many things but in terms of media and stories, I think there should be a default race for the vast majority of works. I feel strongly about this and it goes in all directions.

If they made Light Yagami, Aladdin or Mulan white it would annoy me too.

For me, changing the implied/explicit default race of a character in a work of fiction is as big if not even bigger than altering their gender. It’s just not something to be casually done.


Here's the thing, though... no.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:53 pm

Vassenor wrote:If the estate isn't vetoing it that means it must fit with the original vision. Which they understand better than you.


The point is that its not within the original vision. JRR has been long deceased and Chris has died as well. There is no one left and those two are the only ones who can really be taken as authoritative sources so far as canon goes, asides from whoever knew them in person and respected their wishes; as opposed to making changes to try to modernize it or for the sake of profits when its supposed to be distinctly medieval or ancient.

No one else in the family is doing any writing/research for the Tolkien legendarium in any way that fits like Chris did, so far as I can tell.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:54 pm

Saiwania wrote:Its an outrage, not in my Middle Earth


It was never yours.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:55 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:If the estate isn't vetoing it that means it must fit with the original vision. Which they understand better than you.


The point is that its not within the original vision. JRR has been long deceased and Chris has died as well. There is no one left and those two are the only ones who can really be taken as authoritative sources so far as canon goes, asides from whoever knew them in person and respected their wishes; as opposed to making changes to try to modernize it or for the sake of profits when its supposed to be distinctly medieval or ancient.

Make a thread to be wrong in if you want to talk about it so much.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:59 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:If the estate isn't vetoing it that means it must fit with the original vision. Which they understand better than you.


The point is that its not within the original vision. JRR has been long deceased and Chris has died as well. There is no one left and those two are the only ones who can really be taken as authoritative sources so far as canon goes, asides from whoever knew them in person and respected their wishes; as opposed to making changes to try to modernize it or for the sake of profits when its supposed to be distinctly medieval or ancient.

No one else in the family is doing any writing/research for the Tolkien legendarium in any way that fits like Chris did, so far as I can tell.


So what makes you the top authority to the point where you decided you own it and should be able to dictate about it?
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