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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:01 am

Immoren wrote:
Heloin wrote:I know I’m kind of taking the bait but I’m so looking forward to the reading more of the insane takes by far right folks who likely never actually read LotR but feel really strongly that a fictional story should conform to their fictional view of Medieval Europe.


Only correct way to visually depict Middle-Earth is Tove Jansson's illustrations for Finnish and Swedish translations of the Hobbit.

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Postby Immoren » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:08 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
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Only correct way to visually depict Middle-Earth is Tove Jansson's illustrations for Finnish and Swedish translations of the Hobbit.

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Postby Free Ravensburg » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:09 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:Lies:

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I want medieval illustrations of the lord of the rings now.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:20 am

Azania- wrote:
Saiwania wrote:The worst fears about Amazon's Lord of the Rings series are supposedly confirmed now. Lenny Henry is going to be cast as a Hobbit in the show. Tolkien fans have got to swear the Oath of Feanor figuratively speaking in not seeing this and rewarding this production, lest other attempts in the future follow this creative direction. We had it far better under Peter Jackson.

I wonder why you have such a problem with this casting decision? What could it be? Who knows.

We will probably never find out. Might be that Saiwania severely dislikes British comedians.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:32 am

Thermodolia wrote:I hate VA video appointments.

Even the non VA ones suck
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Even the non VA ones suck

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:51 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:We will probably never find out. Might be that Saiwania severely dislikes British comedians.


Its 100% verifiable fact that Hobbiton wouldn't be diverse, given that its based on rural Victorian era England. They would at minimum, all be of fairer complexion. What Amazon has in mind is to keep the setting but try to make its inhabitants more like those of modern London. Its an outrage, not in my Middle Earth. Its all non-canon if they go through with it. The Tolkien estate is supposed to have veto power but they aren't using it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:02 am

Saiwania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:We will probably never find out. Might be that Saiwania severely dislikes British comedians.


Its 100% verifiable fact that Hobbiton wouldn't be diverse, given that its based on rural Victorian era England. They would at minimum, all be of fairer complexion. What Amazon has in mind is to keep the setting but try to make its inhabitants more like those of modern London. Its an outrage, not in my Middle Earth. Its all non-canon if they go through with it. The Tolkien estate is supposed to have veto power but they aren't using it.

You could make the tooks, black and the mixed kids mulatto and still be within the spirit of the books.

The estate likes the money, surprise.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:46 am

Saiwania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:We will probably never find out. Might be that Saiwania severely dislikes British comedians.


Its 100% verifiable fact that Hobbiton wouldn't be diverse, given that its based on rural Victorian era England. They would at minimum, all be of fairer complexion.


Makes sense to me. I don't know if it's exactly ONE HUNDRED PERCENT verifiable but on the whole, close enough. If I write a story and I said the story was based on the historical Vikings and I describe a Viking like town, in the absence of specific descriptions you would assume non-diversity.

Now is it POSSIBLE I imagined and intended to describe a diverse town? Yes, it's within the realm of possibility. On a balance of probability? No.
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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:54 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Its 100% verifiable fact that Hobbiton wouldn't be diverse, given that its based on rural Victorian era England. They would at minimum, all be of fairer complexion.


Makes sense to me.

You’re knowledge of medieval and even victorian Europe is known to be… lacking to put it politely.

I don't know if it's exactly ONE HUNDRED PERCENT verifiable but on the whole, close enough. If I write a story and I said the story was based on the historical Vikings and I describe a Viking like town, in the absence of specific descriptions you would assume non-diversity.

Well it’s an excellent example of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:12 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Its 100% verifiable fact that Hobbiton wouldn't be diverse, given that its based on rural Victorian era England. They would at minimum, all be of fairer complexion. What Amazon has in mind is to keep the setting but try to make its inhabitants more like those of modern London. Its an outrage, not in my Middle Earth. Its all non-canon if they go through with it. The Tolkien estate is supposed to have veto power but they aren't using it.

You could make the tooks, black and the mixed kids mulatto and still be within the spirit of the books.

The estate likes the money, surprise.


The estate is probably just excited to see any adaptation of the work AND to get paid.

It must feel AMAZING (to see yours or your relative's work adapted into a movie). It's like a dream come true, plus you get paid.

I mean their response is no surprise. If someone were to pay me a ton of money and say to me, "Hey IM, we want to do a movie version of your Great Magical War universe or your Dark Witch story" and they said to me "You didn't necessarily intend for there to be any diversity in that universe but we might want to change the race of a few characters" I'd say... "YEAH SURE. GO AHEAD DUDE!"

...

Still, it doesn't mean we're really seeing something that faithful to the cannon though.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:18 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:You could make the tooks, black and the mixed kids mulatto and still be within the spirit of the books.

The estate likes the money, surprise.


The estate is probably just excited to see any adaptation of the work AND to get paid.

It must feel AMAZING (to see yours or your relative's work adapted into a movie). It's like a dream come true, plus you get paid.

I mean their response is no surprise. If someone were to pay me a ton of money and say to me, "Hey IM, we want to do a movie version of your Great Magical War universe or your Dark Witch story" and they said to me "You didn't necessarily intend for there to be any diversity in that universe but we might want to change the race of a few characters" I'd say... "YEAH SURE. GO AHEAD DUDE!"

...

Still, it doesn't mean we're really seeing something that faithful to the cannon though.

Which misses the main point, all the Hobbit clans were a little different. The tooks, the hobbittown Hobbits, and the ones in bree could be racially white, black and of south Asian coloring, and still be faithful to the books. No reason peregrine couldn't be black and sam white Irish
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:20 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Still, it doesn't mean we're really seeing something that faithful to the cannon though.

Cannons? As someone who actually took the time to read the trilogy, I can tell you that no field guns were used in any of the battles.


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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:26 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The estate is probably just excited to see any adaptation of the work AND to get paid.

It must feel AMAZING (to see yours or your relative's work adapted into a movie). It's like a dream come true, plus you get paid.

I mean their response is no surprise. If someone were to pay me a ton of money and say to me, "Hey IM, we want to do a movie version of your Great Magical War universe or your Dark Witch story" and they said to me "You didn't necessarily intend for there to be any diversity in that universe but we might want to change the race of a few characters" I'd say... "YEAH SURE. GO AHEAD DUDE!"

...

Still, it doesn't mean we're really seeing something that faithful to the cannon though.

Which misses the main point, all the Hobbit clans were a little different. The tooks, the hobbittown Hobbits, and the ones in bree could be racially white, black and of south Asian coloring, and still be faithful to the books. No reason peregrine couldn't be black and sam white Irish

So long as they like potatos, smoke pipeweed, and have hairy feet then they’re hobbits.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:27 am

Heloin wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Which misses the main point, all the Hobbit clans were a little different. The tooks, the hobbittown Hobbits, and the ones in bree could be racially white, black and of south Asian coloring, and still be faithful to the books. No reason peregrine couldn't be black and sam white Irish

So long as they like potatos, smoke pipeweed, and have hairy feet then they’re hobbits.

Won't anyone think of the pedicurist's
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:28 am

Heloin wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Which misses the main point, all the Hobbit clans were a little different. The tooks, the hobbittown Hobbits, and the ones in bree could be racially white, black and of south Asian coloring, and still be faithful to the books. No reason peregrine couldn't be black and sam white Irish

So long as they like potatos, smoke pipeweed, and have hairy feet then they’re hobbits.

But the real question is if Tom Bombadil will be prominently featured.


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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:30 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The estate is probably just excited to see any adaptation of the work AND to get paid.

It must feel AMAZING (to see yours or your relative's work adapted into a movie). It's like a dream come true, plus you get paid.

I mean their response is no surprise. If someone were to pay me a ton of money and say to me, "Hey IM, we want to do a movie version of your Great Magical War universe or your Dark Witch story" and they said to me "You didn't necessarily intend for there to be any diversity in that universe but we might want to change the race of a few characters" I'd say... "YEAH SURE. GO AHEAD DUDE!"

...

Still, it doesn't mean we're really seeing something that faithful to the cannon though.

Which misses the main point, all the Hobbit clans were a little different. The tooks, the hobbittown Hobbits, and the ones in bree could be racially white, black and of south Asian coloring, and still be faithful to the books. No reason peregrine couldn't be black and sam white Irish


I mean, it's based off Northern European mythology and rural Victorian England, and it takes place in temperate climate. Plus it was written in 1954 and it wasn't a very racially diverse time.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:31 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Heloin wrote:So long as they like potatos, smoke pipeweed, and have hairy feet then they’re hobbits.

But the real question is if Tom Bombadil will be prominently featured.

Only if he looks like this

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:32 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Still, it doesn't mean we're really seeing something that faithful to the cannon though.

Cannons? As someone who actually took the time to read the trilogy, I can tell you that no field guns were used in any of the battles.


It's unfortunate. I love cannons.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:36 am

I remember around the time of high school when the LOTR trilogy films were big I did ask my classmate (who was big into LOTR):

How well would have Napoleon and his Grand Army (infinitely provisioned) fare against Sauron and his forces? Assuming Napoleon had his full Russian-invasion force + a very sizable fraction of his most experienced divisions from Austerlitz fully intact.

My friend said... "Napoleon would get massacred."

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Postby Xmara » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:58 am

Saiwania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:We will probably never find out. Might be that Saiwania severely dislikes British comedians.


Its 100% verifiable fact that Hobbiton wouldn't be diverse, given that its based on rural Victorian era England. They would at minimum, all be of fairer complexion. What Amazon has in mind is to keep the setting but try to make its inhabitants more like those of modern London. Its an outrage, not in my Middle Earth. Its all non-canon if they go through with it. The Tolkien estate is supposed to have veto power but they aren't using it.

You do realize there were POCs in England during that era, right?
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Postby Heloin » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:02 am

Xmara wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Its 100% verifiable fact that Hobbiton wouldn't be diverse, given that its based on rural Victorian era England. They would at minimum, all be of fairer complexion. What Amazon has in mind is to keep the setting but try to make its inhabitants more like those of modern London. Its an outrage, not in my Middle Earth. Its all non-canon if they go through with it. The Tolkien estate is supposed to have veto power but they aren't using it.

You do realize there were POCs in England during that era, right?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:15 am

Valentine Z wrote:So my mechanical pencil arrived today - 6 days early! It's a little expensive but it writes well. :3



A special order?

It looks amazing. What are the perks of this model?

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