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Postby Tahar Joblis » Wed May 19, 2010 2:45 pm

Chrobalta wrote:Clearly China. They are rapidly industrializing and becoming a major player in the world economy. They will overtake the US in size of GDP sometime in the next two decades. Their military power is expanding, they are developing a blue water navy capable of global power projection.

China has three things going against it. One is that China has always been a regionally focused power. The other is that China is poised for major demographic and cultural shifts with a rapidly aging population. The third is that China's economy is very heavily tied to the US (and to a certain degree driven by exports), and the US foundering may do significantly funny things to its growth rates.

In 2030 we will, I expect, not have any particular global superpower if the US proves to be in decline in political influence. The way the board lies now, there will be three major powers - the EU, US, and China - the EU growing in power not merely through internal growth, but through progressive growth. By the time that China's GDP is anticipated to catch up the the US's, the EU is expected to have added Turkey and the former Yugoslav republics, and may well even have extended to the Ukraine, and China's population will hit a hard peak.

Russia is the major unknown - not poised to become a superpower again, but could easily push the balance in any particular direction. India is expected to be a clear rising star at that point as well. Quite a few unknown elements could change between now and then.
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Postby Minotzia » Wed May 19, 2010 2:58 pm

Tahar Joblis wrote:
Chrobalta wrote:Clearly China. They are rapidly industrializing and becoming a major player in the world economy. They will overtake the US in size of GDP sometime in the next two decades. Their military power is expanding, they are developing a blue water navy capable of global power projection.

China has three things going against it. One is that China has always been a regionally focused power. The other is that China is poised for major demographic and cultural shifts with a rapidly aging population. The third is that China's economy is very heavily tied to the US (and to a certain degree driven by exports), and the US foundering may do significantly funny things to its growth rates.

In 2030 we will, I expect, not have any particular global superpower if the US proves to be in decline in political influence. The way the board lies now, there will be three major powers - the EU, US, and China - the EU growing in power not merely through internal growth, but through progressive growth. By the time that China's GDP is anticipated to catch up the the US's, the EU is expected to have added Turkey and the former Yugoslav republics, and may well even have extended to the Ukraine, and China's population will hit a hard peak.

Russia is the major unknown - not poised to become a superpower again, but could easily push the balance in any particular direction. India is expected to be a clear rising star at that point as well. Quite a few unknown elements could change between now and then.


Relatively fair assessment, but the US is already bouncing back internationally and seems to be pushing China around much more directly than under Bush. Russia is also strengthening ties with us, most likely due to Putin/Medvedev's reaction to the relaxation of US foreign policy in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. I would definitely challenge that the US won't be the global hegemon in 2030, as there's no crisis on the forefront that could remove us from power and we aren't rapidly declining in the status quo.w

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Postby Natapoc » Wed May 19, 2010 3:03 pm

Zirconim wrote:Deutschland wird die nachste nackte supermacht!!!


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Postby Self--Esteem » Wed May 19, 2010 3:27 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Zirconim wrote:Deutschland wird die nachste nackte supermacht!!!


How do you like my change?


You are both miserably wrong.

Deutschland wird der naechste Superstar!

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Postby Israslovakahzerbajan » Wed May 19, 2010 3:56 pm

Zirconim wrote:Deutschland wird die nachste supermacht!!!


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Postby Natapoc » Wed May 19, 2010 4:01 pm

Self--Esteem wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Zirconim wrote:Deutschland wird die nachste nackte supermacht!!!


How do you like my change?


You are both miserably wrong.

Deutschland wird der naechste Superstar!


But Germany being the naked superpower is more funny then being the next superstar. Here lets compromise:

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Postby Communist Phanafia » Wed May 26, 2010 5:04 pm

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Communist Phanafia wrote:China is probably going to end up invading the US, or US invading China.

No, they won't.


Why not? Theres already conflicts going on between North and South Korea, and If we get involved with that, we get involved with China. Either way, US is Capitalist and China is Communist, a war will show up eventually.
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Postby Joshuahood » Wed May 26, 2010 5:15 pm

Communist Phanafia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Communist Phanafia wrote:China is probably going to end up invading the US, or US invading China.

No, they won't.


Why not? Theres already conflicts going on between North and South Korea, and If we get involved with that, we get involved with China. Either way, US is Capitalist and China is Communist, a war will show up eventually.


China wants North Korea to not have nuclear weapons just as much as the US does. I even start to wonder in the Chinese would support NK if war did break out. China seems to be moving out of communism very slowly. I don't think China wants the US against them unless they know they are ready for it. If anything, I think relations with China and the US are improving.
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Postby Fedeledland » Fri May 28, 2010 9:14 pm

This are the future economic boundaries:

http://i46.tinypic.com/9hs3d4.jpg

Yellow: European Union/Sphere of Influence (Led by a joint coallition of Italy, Spain, France and the UK)
Light Blue: Capitalist Confederacy (Led by... Surprise! the USA! and Korea)
Dark red: South American Empire (Led by Brazil)
Red: Comitern (Led by China)
Blue: Pan-Arabic Union (Led by the UAE)
Dark Green: Turkic-Mongol Alliance (Led by Turkey and Uzbekistan)
Really Dark Green: Islamic Alliance (Led by Indonesia)
Light Green: Indian Union (Led by... Surprise! India!)
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Postby New Manvir » Fri May 28, 2010 9:29 pm

Fedeledland wrote:This are the future economic boundaries:

http://i46.tinypic.com/9hs3d4.jpg

Yellow: European Union/Sphere of Influence (Led by a joint coallition of Italy, Spain, France and the UK)
Light Blue: Capitalist Confederacy (Led by... Surprise! the USA! and Korea)
Dark red: South American Empire (Led by Brazil)
Red: Comitern (Led by China)
Blue: Pan-Arabic Union (Led by the UAE)
Dark Green: Turkic-Mongol Alliance (Led by Turkey and Uzbekistan)
Really Dark Green: Islamic Alliance (Led by Indonesia)
Light Green: Indian Union (Led by... Surprise! India!)


Canada should be in the USA's sphere because of geography and economics.
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Postby Marcurix » Fri May 28, 2010 9:39 pm

New Manvir wrote:
Fedeledland wrote:This are the future economic boundaries:

http://i46.tinypic.com/9hs3d4.jpg

Yellow: European Union/Sphere of Influence (Led by a joint coallition of Italy, Spain, France and the UK)
Light Blue: Capitalist Confederacy (Led by... Surprise! the USA! and Korea)
Dark red: South American Empire (Led by Brazil)
Red: Comitern (Led by China)
Blue: Pan-Arabic Union (Led by the UAE)
Dark Green: Turkic-Mongol Alliance (Led by Turkey and Uzbekistan)
Really Dark Green: Islamic Alliance (Led by Indonesia)
Light Green: Indian Union (Led by... Surprise! India!)


Canada should be in the USA's sphere because of geography and economics.


Well.....he did say future. You never know Canada might get its act together and diversify its trade a little more, which is a growing possibility.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sat May 29, 2010 1:38 am

Rosbaningrad wrote:The United States of Africa.


Fixed.

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Postby Cameroi » Sat May 29, 2010 1:51 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:Burundi.

i LIKE the way you think.

Burundi pursues its gross happiness product, rather then a monetary one, which impresses cameroi as wise.
though its expulsion of long resident Nepalese at the same time arouses somewhat of our concern.

of course, events of less then a decade ago in Nepal did as well.
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Postby Self--Esteem » Sat May 29, 2010 1:56 am

Communist Phanafia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Communist Phanafia wrote:China is probably going to end up invading the US, or US invading China.

No, they won't.


Why not? Theres already conflicts going on between North and South Korea, and If we get involved with that, we get involved with China. Either way, US is Capitalist and China is Communist, a war will show up eventually.


China is communist in name only. It has long been state capitalist now.

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Postby South Babylon » Sat May 29, 2010 2:00 am

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Self--Esteem wrote:North-Korea, obviously.

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WHO is the next superpower?

Postby South Babylon » Sat May 29, 2010 2:04 am

But to answer the topic, anyone of the four BRIC stand a chance.

India: Technologically powerful in terms of IT, maybe even stand a chance to combat silicon valley.
Brazil: I've no details, but their economy seems strong
Russia: Resurging power seekingto reclaim its respect
China: Holds the Economic equivalent of a nuke. MAD included.

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Joshuahood wrote:
China. They are massively invested in infrastructure, so much so that you can't look in any direction without seeing a crane building a new building, or a work crew building new roads. All of our jobs are going over there. Now, I'm no expert in economics, but I believe that these are key factors to having a strong economy. The government retains a strong grip on the country, although this grip seems to be slackening very slowly. The Chinese are a proud people, and seem to be fairly devoted to their country, especially the older population who were around when Mao came. Therefore, China's economy should be on the rise, they have a strong government that seems as if it is in no danger of collapsing, and the people are generally happy. The Chinese are even constructing a very large naval fleet, which may even challenge the U.S. in the Pacific.

EDIT: To add to that, the U.S. is on the decline. We rely on foreign oil way too much, and partisanship has torn the country in two, so much so that I fear civil war. The U.S. partisanship is so bad that our politicians focus more on being against a bill, and saying how bad it is, instead of actually working to fix the bill. I fear my country may not stand for much longer, if we remain the way we are right now: greedy, corrupt, and working only for oneself. I may not be an expert, who knows I may be wrong about all this, but the U.S. definitely needs to change if it wants to stay on top, or even exist.
I don't think we are going to have a other civil war but we yes do need to get our act together and as for new world superpowers I would say maybe China and the E.U. but there more likely rival, but not replace us in my opinion.


I would normally say America was the super power, China is now and India will be in the future but if the European Union is considered a country which could arguably be so as they are progressively transferring their courts and politicians to the European level and the Libson treaty even allows them to create a joint army I may need to say Europe.

If the European Union is called a country right now I would have to call it a super power over China.

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Postby Carls-land » Sat May 29, 2010 2:11 am

north korea (will simply be korea at that time)

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Postby Tsrill » Sat May 29, 2010 2:14 am

Uganda, ruling the world from the moon

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Postby WokaStates » Sat May 29, 2010 2:16 am

I believe that the next superpower is going to be China. Right now, USA is clearly the leading power and will stay for many years to come. However, due to its terrific industrial power and its population, China will soon be more powerful in terms of economy and military. They already have frightening development rates (8% I think) and they are not so away from the USA, imagine their economic power in the future.

And all these thanks to China's teen loyal workers :)

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Postby Cameroi » Sat May 29, 2010 2:23 am

Drachevania wrote:Kazakhstan. Not even joking.

in that region i would speculate more likely to emerge would be Azerbajzan, though my reasons for saying so hing on a bit of history little known outside of spiritual developments taking place less then a couple of hundred years ago.

on the same basis, one might well also nominate Romania.
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Postby Fedeledland » Sat May 29, 2010 6:13 am

Marcurix wrote:
New Manvir wrote:
Fedeledland wrote:This are the future economic boundaries:

http://i46.tinypic.com/9hs3d4.jpg

Yellow: European Union/Sphere of Influence (Led by a joint coallition of Italy, Spain, France and the UK)
Light Blue: Capitalist Confederacy (Led by... Surprise! the USA! and Korea)
Dark red: South American Empire (Led by Brazil)
Red: Comitern (Led by China)
Blue: Pan-Arabic Union (Led by the UAE)
Dark Green: Turkic-Mongol Alliance (Led by Turkey and Uzbekistan)
Really Dark Green: Islamic Alliance (Led by Indonesia)
Light Green: Indian Union (Led by... Surprise! India!)


Canada should be in the USA's sphere because of geography and economics.



Well.....he did say future. You never know Canada might get its act together and diversify its trade a little more, which is a growing possibility.


Remember... Canada is a Commonwealth?
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Postby New Manvir » Sat May 29, 2010 12:28 pm

Tsrill wrote:Uganda, ruling the world from the moon


"We must also go there (to the moon) and say: 'What are you people doing up here? (to the Americans and Russians)'."


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