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Postby Kulverint » Sun May 16, 2010 2:39 am

China will overtake within 15 years. It's a well known thing that pretty much everything you can buy in the shops will say on the bottom "Made in China."

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Postby Kulverint » Sun May 16, 2010 2:41 am

Jaunty tunes wrote:To me China is already the worlds superpower. The US days are over just like the English days are over. With superior numbers and an unknown military budget I wouldnt want to mess with china. And please dont mention the US would Nuke China. China has enough nukes too.

The next superpower will probably be India as China is limiting its population while India is not.


Yes, but China has a massive economy, and was the only world nation that was left pretty much unaffected by the recession. India, on the other hand, is a very poor country, and cannot afford to pay for all it's citizens. That is why China is controlling the population.

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Postby Sungai Pusat » Sun May 16, 2010 2:42 am

Kulverint wrote:China will overtake within 15 years. It's a well known thing that pretty much everything you can buy in the shops will say on the bottom "Made in China."

This. I am almost very certain that the laptop I am playing on was assembled in China. Even my watch was made in China.
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Postby Georgism » Sun May 16, 2010 2:51 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Georgism wrote:The next superpower? Probably one of the usual suspects; China, India, Russia. With a longer timescale, I could see Brazil or a federal Europe being up there, although I'm not sure I'd be a part of the latter (I'm British). If certain African countries managed to sort their shit out, I think they could actually surprise a few people in the next century+ :)

Thats a pretty big if...

With a long enough timescale, why not? >100 years is a very long time, and certain countries do have the resources (Diamonds, oil(?), Uranium, etc.
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Sun May 16, 2010 2:52 am

"Superpowers" these days are determined by economical power, not by military force; thus, the next (or, better said, already existing) superpower will not be any nation, but some multinational companies, funds and trusts, located whereever they want and dictating national governments whatever they want to.
They don´t need military strength, as they can use any nation as a puppet, by putting governments in office with well-funded election campaigns or simply bribe important politicians (everyone is to be bought, it´s only a question of invested money), influence international organisations (WTO, worldbank, aso) and manipulate populations via media and campaigns at their will.
This is happening already today, had been happening in the past, and will the more happen in future, only many people don´t notice...

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Postby Yootopia » Sun May 16, 2010 3:47 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:"Superpowers" these days are determined by economical power, not by military force

Really?
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Postby Sungai Pusat » Sun May 16, 2010 3:53 am

Georgism wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Georgism wrote:The next superpower? Probably one of the usual suspects; China, India, Russia. With a longer timescale, I could see Brazil or a federal Europe being up there, although I'm not sure I'd be a part of the latter (I'm British). If certain African countries managed to sort their shit out, I think they could actually surprise a few people in the next century+ :)

Thats a pretty big if...

With a long enough timescale, why not? >100 years is a very long time, and certain countries do have the resources (Diamonds, oil(?), Uranium, etc.

Maybe coltan. Electronics are made of coltan, and the Democratic Republic of Congo has 80% of the world's coltan.
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Postby Risottia » Sun May 16, 2010 3:55 am

No, the WHO isn't the next superpower.
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Postby Polythinia » Sun May 16, 2010 3:56 am

Any one of the BRICs.

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Postby Sungai Pusat » Sun May 16, 2010 3:56 am

Risottia wrote:No, the WHO isn't the next superpower.

Agreed. It is an organisation handling health, not government matters.
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Postby Yootopia » Sun May 16, 2010 4:21 am

Sungai Pusat wrote:Electronics are made of coltan

Some are. They'll change to something better when they find it, though, esp. as there's some political pressure to do so.
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Postby Glorious Homeland » Sun May 16, 2010 4:25 am

China, India, Brazil, perhaps Indonesia, are the main ones in the next 100 years. I think India will overtake China before long, as China's population will begin to grey very quickly with the one child policy and with aborting girls a common practice. That demographic shift may upset their economy to a serious degree.

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Postby Onekawa-Nukanor » Sun May 16, 2010 4:27 am

New Zealand, or in the future known as the Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic, why u ask well it goes like this.

1. New Zealand company Fonterra controls 2/3 of the world dairy Industry.
2. Has the second largest wool porduce in the world.
3.Is actually able to feed ourselves if the world goes pearshaped, unlike China which has to import food or the US who can't stop eating, we can also clothe oursleves as well and would be quite easy to look after ourselves, sure tech would be basic but I would rather be better off by being able to eat regurarily then have a internet or a computer or a TV etc and starving or food being expensive.

Time line (in my rough opinion)
2015: World economy collapses due to the increase in massive debts around the world.
2016: US gives up American Samoa, Hawaii (okay maybe not hawaii) and all the Pacific terrorties to help there economy on the American Contient.
2017: NZ gets large amounts of refugees streaming from the pacific, due to our help everyone nature we send aid overseas.
2020: NZ decides a quick political campaign to control the pacific nations so they can recieve better treatment.
2021: Fiji refuses, thus a large civillian uprising occurs and a civil war takes place, NZ gets involved and is able to wrestle control from the Military run goverment.
2024: NZ becomes a Republic or Federation,
2027-28: Become Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic.
2029: With control over most of the pacific NZ becomes a major player due to much shipping that has to cross the pacific and is taxed.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sun May 16, 2010 4:35 am

Avenio wrote:
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The great thing is, we Canadians love to do it too. Self-deprecating humour is what makes us who we are.

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Finally something the British have in common with the Canadians. :p

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Postby South Norwega » Sun May 16, 2010 4:40 am

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:New Zealand, or in the future known as the Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic, why u ask well it goes like this.

1. New Zealand company Fonterra controls 2/3 of the world dairy Industry.
2. Has the second largest wool porduce in the world.
3.Is actually able to feed ourselves if the world goes pearshaped, unlike China which has to import food or the US who can't stop eating, we can also clothe oursleves as well and would be quite easy to look after ourselves, sure tech would be basic but I would rather be better off by being able to eat regurarily then have a internet or a computer or a TV etc and starving or food being expensive.

Time line (in my rough opinion)
2015: World economy collapses due to the increase in massive debts around the world.
2016: US gives up American Samoa, Hawaii (okay maybe not hawaii) and all the Pacific terrorties to help there economy on the American Contient.
2017: NZ gets large amounts of refugees streaming from the pacific, due to our help everyone nature we send aid overseas.
2020: NZ decides a quick political campaign to control the pacific nations so they can recieve better treatment.
2021: Fiji refuses, thus a large civillian uprising occurs and a civil war takes place, NZ gets involved and is able to wrestle control from the Military run goverment.
2024: NZ becomes a Republic or Federation,
2027-28: Become Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic.
2029: With control over most of the pacific NZ becomes a major player due to much shipping that has to cross the pacific and is taxed.


Why yes. A country which isn't even a Middle Power, nor a Regional Power could really become a major player on the world stage.

New Zealand lacks Fighter Jets. You've got a country 6 times larger than you, and where the average person is 50% richer slightly to the east of you.

Fonterra controls 30% of the world's dairy exports, not 2/3, or so wikipedia says.

A country which can't keep it's university graduates can't be a superpower.
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Postby Onekawa-Nukanor » Sun May 16, 2010 4:48 am

South Norwega wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:New Zealand, or in the future known as the Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic, why u ask well it goes like this.

1. New Zealand company Fonterra controls 2/3 of the world dairy Industry.
2. Has the second largest wool porduce in the world.
3.Is actually able to feed ourselves if the world goes pearshaped, unlike China which has to import food or the US who can't stop eating, we can also clothe oursleves as well and would be quite easy to look after ourselves, sure tech would be basic but I would rather be better off by being able to eat regurarily then have a internet or a computer or a TV etc and starving or food being expensive.

Time line (in my rough opinion)
2015: World economy collapses due to the increase in massive debts around the world.
2016: US gives up American Samoa, Hawaii (okay maybe not hawaii) and all the Pacific terrorties to help there economy on the American Contient.
2017: NZ gets large amounts of refugees streaming from the pacific, due to our help everyone nature we send aid overseas.
2020: NZ decides a quick political campaign to control the pacific nations so they can recieve better treatment.
2021: Fiji refuses, thus a large civillian uprising occurs and a civil war takes place, NZ gets involved and is able to wrestle control from the Military run goverment.
2024: NZ becomes a Republic or Federation,
2027-28: Become Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic.
2029: With control over most of the pacific NZ becomes a major player due to much shipping that has to cross the pacific and is taxed.


Why yes. A country which isn't even a Middle Power, nor a Regional Power could really become a major player on the world stage.

New Zealand lacks Fighter Jets. You've got a country 6 times larger than you, and where the average person is 50% richer slightly to the east of you.

Fonterra controls 30% of the world's dairy exports, not 2/3, or so wikipedia says.

A country which can't keep it's university graduates can't be a superpower.

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If anything this was for a bit of fun, but stanger things gave happned, it was a educated"guess" that had a fair amount of optisism, still no would would have believed that rome in 500 BC would have ended in control with 6 million sqkm by 2-3rd century AD, what if it did happned?, food 4 thought
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Postby Self--Esteem » Sun May 16, 2010 4:51 am

Their (New Zealand's) economy is certainly going to become stronger over the new few years, but I have my sincere doubts that they would become a major superpower. Their economic position isn't too far from The Republic of Ireland.

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Postby South Norwega » Sun May 16, 2010 4:51 am

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:If anything this was for a bit of fun, but stanger things gave happned, it was a educated"guess" that had a fair amount of optisism, still no would would have believed that rome in 500 BC would have ended in control with 6 million sqkm by 2-3rd century AD, what if it did happned?, food 4 thought

Eh, Rome was somewhat centrally located geographically. Although nowadays that doesn't matter too much.

Large economies and natural resources seem to matter now.
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Postby DobsState » Sun May 16, 2010 4:54 am

I believe that India along with Russia and may be Brazil will be the new superpowers. China's actual debt is 8 times than what is shown. Therefore, there are high chances that china will become bankrupt and disintegrate.

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Postby Self--Esteem » Sun May 16, 2010 4:57 am

DobsState wrote:I believe that India along with Russia and may be Brazil will be the new superpowers. China's actual debt is 8 times than what is shown. Therefore, there are high chances that china will become bankrupt and disintegrate.


They can handle their debt. Even if it's 8 times of what is shown. They are a huge country and many other countries (even the US) owes them.

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Postby Yootopia » Sun May 16, 2010 4:58 am

South Norwega wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:If anything this was for a bit of fun, but stanger things gave happned, it was a educated"guess" that had a fair amount of optisism, still no would would have believed that rome in 500 BC would have ended in control with 6 million sqkm by 2-3rd century AD, what if it did happned?, food 4 thought

Eh, Rome was somewhat centrally located geographically. Although nowadays that doesn't matter too much.

Large economies and natural resources seem to matter now.

Everywhere is 'centrally located' depending on your viewpoint -_-
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Postby Onekawa-Nukanor » Sun May 16, 2010 5:00 am

Yootopia wrote:
South Norwega wrote:
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:If anything this was for a bit of fun, but stanger things gave happned, it was a educated"guess" that had a fair amount of optisism, still no would would have believed that rome in 500 BC would have ended in control with 6 million sqkm by 2-3rd century AD, what if it did happned?, food 4 thought

Eh, Rome was somewhat centrally located geographically. Although nowadays that doesn't matter too much.

Large economies and natural resources seem to matter now.

Everywhere is 'centrally located' depending on your viewpoint -_-


True but it was centrally located in the Mediterran, the home of many imporant civilastons
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Postby Kotlas » Sun May 16, 2010 5:04 am

DobsState wrote:I believe that India along with Russia and may be Brazil will be the new superpowers. China's actual debt is 8 times than what is shown. Therefore, there are high chances that china will become bankrupt and disintegrate.

bankrupt and disintegrate? r u kidding me!?! ur belief that India, Russia, and Brazil hav the potential to become new superpowers is very rational, but China definitely will become a SP as well. Their people are a ton wealthier than Indians. a debt 8 times what is shown would be absurd. I liv in the US, and knowing the kind of nationalistic zeal around here, i kno for a FACT that if the debt actually were 8 times what is shown, people would hav found out and would be putting it all over the news in an attempt to make America look better.
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Postby Glorious Homeland » Sun May 16, 2010 5:06 am

Kotlas wrote:
DobsState wrote:I believe that India along with Russia and may be Brazil will be the new superpowers. China's actual debt is 8 times than what is shown. Therefore, there are high chances that china will become bankrupt and disintegrate.

bankrupt and disintegrate? r u kidding me!?! ur belief that India, Russia, and Brazil hav the potential to become new superpowers is very rational, but China definitely will become a SP as well. Their people are a ton wealthier than Indians. a debt 8 times what is shown would be absurd. I liv in the US, and knowing the kind of nationalistic zeal around here, i kno for a FACT that if the debt actually were 8 times what is shown, people would hav found out and would be putting it all over the news in an attempt to make America look better.

The poor in India may prove useful to it's economic development long term. Simply because they can be used for cheap labour when the average wage in China is much higher; thus making Indian manufacturing industries in the future cheaper than their Chinese peers.

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sun May 16, 2010 5:07 am

Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:New Zealand, or in the future known as the Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic, why u ask well it goes like this.

1. New Zealand company Fonterra controls 2/3 of the world dairy Industry.
2. Has the second largest wool porduce in the world.
3.Is actually able to feed ourselves if the world goes pearshaped, unlike China which has to import food or the US who can't stop eating, we can also clothe oursleves as well and would be quite easy to look after ourselves, sure tech would be basic but I would rather be better off by being able to eat regurarily then have a internet or a computer or a TV etc and starving or food being expensive.

Time line (in my rough opinion)
2015: World economy collapses due to the increase in massive debts around the world.
2016: US gives up American Samoa, Hawaii (okay maybe not hawaii) and all the Pacific terrorties to help there economy on the American Contient.
2017: NZ gets large amounts of refugees streaming from the pacific, due to our help everyone nature we send aid overseas.
2020: NZ decides a quick political campaign to control the pacific nations so they can recieve better treatment.
2021: Fiji refuses, thus a large civillian uprising occurs and a civil war takes place, NZ gets involved and is able to wrestle control from the Military run goverment.
2024: NZ becomes a Republic or Federation,
2027-28: Become Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic.
2029: With control over most of the pacific NZ becomes a major player due to much shipping that has to cross the pacific and is taxed.


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