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by Kulverint » Sun May 16, 2010 2:41 am
Jaunty tunes wrote:To me China is already the worlds superpower. The US days are over just like the English days are over. With superior numbers and an unknown military budget I wouldnt want to mess with china. And please dont mention the US would Nuke China. China has enough nukes too.
The next superpower will probably be India as China is limiting its population while India is not.
by Sungai Pusat » Sun May 16, 2010 2:42 am
Kulverint wrote:China will overtake within 15 years. It's a well known thing that pretty much everything you can buy in the shops will say on the bottom "Made in China."
by Georgism » Sun May 16, 2010 2:51 am
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Georgism wrote:The next superpower? Probably one of the usual suspects; China, India, Russia. With a longer timescale, I could see Brazil or a federal Europe being up there, although I'm not sure I'd be a part of the latter (I'm British). If certain African countries managed to sort their shit out, I think they could actually surprise a few people in the next century+
Thats a pretty big if...
by Coffin-Breathe » Sun May 16, 2010 2:52 am
by Sungai Pusat » Sun May 16, 2010 3:53 am
Georgism wrote:Lackadaisical2 wrote:Georgism wrote:The next superpower? Probably one of the usual suspects; China, India, Russia. With a longer timescale, I could see Brazil or a federal Europe being up there, although I'm not sure I'd be a part of the latter (I'm British). If certain African countries managed to sort their shit out, I think they could actually surprise a few people in the next century+
Thats a pretty big if...
With a long enough timescale, why not? >100 years is a very long time, and certain countries do have the resources (Diamonds, oil(?), Uranium, etc.
by Sungai Pusat » Sun May 16, 2010 3:56 am
by Glorious Homeland » Sun May 16, 2010 4:25 am
by Onekawa-Nukanor » Sun May 16, 2010 4:27 am
by EvilDarkMagicians » Sun May 16, 2010 4:35 am
by South Norwega » Sun May 16, 2010 4:40 am
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:New Zealand, or in the future known as the Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic, why u ask well it goes like this.
1. New Zealand company Fonterra controls 2/3 of the world dairy Industry.
2. Has the second largest wool porduce in the world.
3.Is actually able to feed ourselves if the world goes pearshaped, unlike China which has to import food or the US who can't stop eating, we can also clothe oursleves as well and would be quite easy to look after ourselves, sure tech would be basic but I would rather be better off by being able to eat regurarily then have a internet or a computer or a TV etc and starving or food being expensive.
Time line (in my rough opinion)
2015: World economy collapses due to the increase in massive debts around the world.
2016: US gives up American Samoa, Hawaii (okay maybe not hawaii) and all the Pacific terrorties to help there economy on the American Contient.
2017: NZ gets large amounts of refugees streaming from the pacific, due to our help everyone nature we send aid overseas.
2020: NZ decides a quick political campaign to control the pacific nations so they can recieve better treatment.
2021: Fiji refuses, thus a large civillian uprising occurs and a civil war takes place, NZ gets involved and is able to wrestle control from the Military run goverment.
2024: NZ becomes a Republic or Federation,
2027-28: Become Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic.
2029: With control over most of the pacific NZ becomes a major player due to much shipping that has to cross the pacific and is taxed.
by Onekawa-Nukanor » Sun May 16, 2010 4:48 am
South Norwega wrote:Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:New Zealand, or in the future known as the Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic, why u ask well it goes like this.
1. New Zealand company Fonterra controls 2/3 of the world dairy Industry.
2. Has the second largest wool porduce in the world.
3.Is actually able to feed ourselves if the world goes pearshaped, unlike China which has to import food or the US who can't stop eating, we can also clothe oursleves as well and would be quite easy to look after ourselves, sure tech would be basic but I would rather be better off by being able to eat regurarily then have a internet or a computer or a TV etc and starving or food being expensive.
Time line (in my rough opinion)
2015: World economy collapses due to the increase in massive debts around the world.
2016: US gives up American Samoa, Hawaii (okay maybe not hawaii) and all the Pacific terrorties to help there economy on the American Contient.
2017: NZ gets large amounts of refugees streaming from the pacific, due to our help everyone nature we send aid overseas.
2020: NZ decides a quick political campaign to control the pacific nations so they can recieve better treatment.
2021: Fiji refuses, thus a large civillian uprising occurs and a civil war takes place, NZ gets involved and is able to wrestle control from the Military run goverment.
2024: NZ becomes a Republic or Federation,
2027-28: Become Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic.
2029: With control over most of the pacific NZ becomes a major player due to much shipping that has to cross the pacific and is taxed.
Why yes. A country which isn't even a Middle Power, nor a Regional Power could really become a major player on the world stage.
New Zealand lacks Fighter Jets. You've got a country 6 times larger than you, and where the average person is 50% richer slightly to the east of you.
Fonterra controls 30% of the world's dairy exports, not 2/3, or so wikipedia says.
A country which can't keep it's university graduates can't be a superpower.
by Self--Esteem » Sun May 16, 2010 4:51 am
by South Norwega » Sun May 16, 2010 4:51 am
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:If anything this was for a bit of fun, but stanger things gave happned, it was a educated"guess" that had a fair amount of optisism, still no would would have believed that rome in 500 BC would have ended in control with 6 million sqkm by 2-3rd century AD, what if it did happned?, food 4 thought
by DobsState » Sun May 16, 2010 4:54 am
by Self--Esteem » Sun May 16, 2010 4:57 am
DobsState wrote:I believe that India along with Russia and may be Brazil will be the new superpowers. China's actual debt is 8 times than what is shown. Therefore, there are high chances that china will become bankrupt and disintegrate.
by Yootopia » Sun May 16, 2010 4:58 am
South Norwega wrote:Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:If anything this was for a bit of fun, but stanger things gave happned, it was a educated"guess" that had a fair amount of optisism, still no would would have believed that rome in 500 BC would have ended in control with 6 million sqkm by 2-3rd century AD, what if it did happned?, food 4 thought
Eh, Rome was somewhat centrally located geographically. Although nowadays that doesn't matter too much.
Large economies and natural resources seem to matter now.
by Onekawa-Nukanor » Sun May 16, 2010 5:00 am
Yootopia wrote:South Norwega wrote:Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:If anything this was for a bit of fun, but stanger things gave happned, it was a educated"guess" that had a fair amount of optisism, still no would would have believed that rome in 500 BC would have ended in control with 6 million sqkm by 2-3rd century AD, what if it did happned?, food 4 thought
Eh, Rome was somewhat centrally located geographically. Although nowadays that doesn't matter too much.
Large economies and natural resources seem to matter now.
Everywhere is 'centrally located' depending on your viewpoint -_-
by Kotlas » Sun May 16, 2010 5:04 am
DobsState wrote:I believe that India along with Russia and may be Brazil will be the new superpowers. China's actual debt is 8 times than what is shown. Therefore, there are high chances that china will become bankrupt and disintegrate.
by Glorious Homeland » Sun May 16, 2010 5:06 am
Kotlas wrote:DobsState wrote:I believe that India along with Russia and may be Brazil will be the new superpowers. China's actual debt is 8 times than what is shown. Therefore, there are high chances that china will become bankrupt and disintegrate.
bankrupt and disintegrate? r u kidding me!?! ur belief that India, Russia, and Brazil hav the potential to become new superpowers is very rational, but China definitely will become a SP as well. Their people are a ton wealthier than Indians. a debt 8 times what is shown would be absurd. I liv in the US, and knowing the kind of nationalistic zeal around here, i kno for a FACT that if the debt actually were 8 times what is shown, people would hav found out and would be putting it all over the news in an attempt to make America look better.
by EvilDarkMagicians » Sun May 16, 2010 5:07 am
Onekawa-Nukanor wrote:New Zealand, or in the future known as the Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic, why u ask well it goes like this.
1. New Zealand company Fonterra controls 2/3 of the world dairy Industry.
2. Has the second largest wool porduce in the world.
3.Is actually able to feed ourselves if the world goes pearshaped, unlike China which has to import food or the US who can't stop eating, we can also clothe oursleves as well and would be quite easy to look after ourselves, sure tech would be basic but I would rather be better off by being able to eat regurarily then have a internet or a computer or a TV etc and starving or food being expensive.
Time line (in my rough opinion)
2015: World economy collapses due to the increase in massive debts around the world.
2016: US gives up American Samoa, Hawaii (okay maybe not hawaii) and all the Pacific terrorties to help there economy on the American Contient.
2017: NZ gets large amounts of refugees streaming from the pacific, due to our help everyone nature we send aid overseas.
2020: NZ decides a quick political campaign to control the pacific nations so they can recieve better treatment.
2021: Fiji refuses, thus a large civillian uprising occurs and a civil war takes place, NZ gets involved and is able to wrestle control from the Military run goverment.
2024: NZ becomes a Republic or Federation,
2027-28: Become Polynesian Federation of Polynesian Republic.
2029: With control over most of the pacific NZ becomes a major player due to much shipping that has to cross the pacific and is taxed.
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