Compensation and the new math

[Grays Harbor]

[The Imperial Navy]

Yep. Greed is eternal.

[Conserative Morality]

Remember: Every time you make an illegal download, that's as bad as allowing three + 1/3 people die in an accident.

[The Imperial Navy]

OMG! Illegal downloading makes you worse than Hitler!

[Belschaft]

She got owned....


Seriosuly tohugh, that sentence is increadibly harsh and out of keeping of precedent, where you penalise the provider not the downloader.

[Blouman Empire]

What we can be fined for illegal downloading now?

[Barzan]

This makes me want to quote a famous line from Shakespeare's Henry VI. I won't, though, as I might get in trouble. (Although I will say that it should have the phrase "and bankers" added-on to the end.)

[Conserative Morality]

This makes me want to quote a famous line from Shakespeare's Henry VI. I won't, though, as I might get in trouble. (Although I will say that it should have the phrase "and bankers" added-on to the end.)

???

How would you get in trouble for quoting something from Shakespeare?

[Land of greed]

This makes me want to quote a famous line from Shakespeare's Henry VI. I won't, though, as I might get in trouble. (Although I will say that it should have the phrase "and bankers" added-on to the end.)

Shakespeare is not copyright protected.

[H N Fiddlebottoms VIII]

OMG! Illegal downloading makes you worse than Hitler!

Hitler killed more than 100 people, so that's not the comparison they're making at all. Try again, please.

How would you get in trouble for quoting something from Shakespeare?

Probably it's from The Merchant of Venice or some such. Shakespeare had some issues when it came to playing well with others.

[JarVik]

Yup, Its a bit depressing but this is pretty much what I expect from a corporate republic.

[Greed and Death]

Here is what happened. going after everyone individually wasn't working/impossible.
So instead they are going to slam someone and hope it scares off everyone else.
Interestingly this means they are careful who they choose.
Military service members and veterans likely wont be targeted as that would be viewed as unpatriotic, and turn the people who support the music industry on this matter (same people who don't understand the internet) against them.

I watch events like this, and hope the music industry will get over it, but i don't think they will.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

the people who support the music industry on this matter

Hey, were not here to discuss cryptozoology. You can only talk about things that actually exist. This is far less likely then even $cientology.

[Grave_n_idle]

All this tells us is that Air France has better lawyers than a 32 year old mother.

I suspect most of us knew this, already.

[Grays Harbor]

[Barzan]

This makes me want to quote a famous line from Shakespeare's Henry VI. I won't, though, as I might get in trouble. (Although I will say that it should have the phrase "and bankers" added-on to the end.)

???

How would you get in trouble for quoting something from Shakespeare?

I'm more worried about the mods swinging a ban bat. But I'll do it.

I was gonna say "first thing we [need to] do is kill all the lawyers"...you know, from Shakespeare's Henry VI? That quote is the first thing I thought of when I read how much that woman has to pay. Then I thought "and the bankers, too", because I'm reading about those bank CEOs and employees running a scheme in Texas from a bank in Antigua. Of course, I mean those things in jest. Maybe "getting rid of their jobs and lock them in prison where bubba can have fun with them". Or maybe, switching to a Napoleonic Civil Law system where there are no juries and no lawyers other than a prosecutor, and no precedents...like in Continental Europe.

[Brogavia]

All I can say is fuck the bastards at the RIAA.

[Greed and Death]

the people who support the music industry on this matter

Hey, were not here to discuss cryptozoology. You can only talk about things that actually exist. This is far less likely then even $cientology.

Those people do exist they just don't understand how the internet works. So when they see file sharing they think the person sharing files is someone how making money off of it.
My step dad is one, and I have tried countless hours to explain how p2p and file sharing works. To no avail.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Those people do exist they just don't understand how the internet works. So when they see file sharing they think the person sharing files is someone how making money off of it.
My step dad is one, and I have tried countless hours to explain how p2p and file sharing works. To no avail.

I've never understood the people that don't "get" new technology. It's not like it's theoretical cosmology, it's freaking easy! Many claim "I wasn't raised with it," but I still don't understand. There are many people who are not raised with English, yet they manage to learn it later on in life. Isn't learning a new language more complex than figuring out windows?

[Greed and Death]

Those people do exist they just don't understand how the internet works. So when they see file sharing they think the person sharing files is someone how making money off of it.
My step dad is one, and I have tried countless hours to explain how p2p and file sharing works. To no avail.

I've never understood the people that don't "get" new technology. It's not like it's theoretical cosmology, it's freaking easy! Many claim "I wasn't raised with it," but I still don't understand. There are many people who are not raised with English, yet they manage to learn it later on in life. Isn't learning a new language more complex than figuring out windows?

He can work the basics of windows. Though it did take three years to explain to him in the 1990's that email is a free service.
But understanding that the person sharing the file or seeding the file isn't doing ti for some sort of revenue from advertising is beyond him.
And he is a smart guy, he has started and ran several local business always able to sell them for a decent profit, though the last few would have been bust if my mom had not been there to work the computer side of things for him.

Actually, my uncle is worse, his secretary has to print out his emails for him.

[BunnySaurus Bugsii]

I think Air France did exactly the right thing. The small amount of money ($24,000) is an ex-gratia payment, it doesn't admit liability nor preclude the payment of full compensation if they are found to have negligently caused all those deaths.

Apparently, Air France has insurance which will pay surviving relatives €100,000 per victim. Even without any admission of liability.

If the crash is found to have resulted from negligence on Air France's part, they'll pay a lot more than that.

There is still a good chance that the weather conditions would have destroyed any plane. Just for once, I'm not screaming "evil corporations buying off the law!" ... we should just wait and see what the crash investigation comes up with.

[Molested Sock]

Even if the French Air Authority put the crash of a Air New Zealand loaned A 320 down to (German) pilot error.
The report was deemed poor at best and largely scapegoating.

So it doesn't surprise me that the French would try to flog things off cheaply.

But of course, that woman was up against a massive industry with big lawyers, lawyers that like to be paid, naturally their effort to get a conviction would warrant a hefty fine to warrant their hiring.
Shes actually lucky it wasn't a heftier fine.

[Pure Metal]

saw this the other day. Jury must have been a bunch of wankers... and the music industry can clearly afford too many good lawyers and lobbyists, etc. i'd be hard pressed to believe each download was worth compensating even $800

i like it when things like this are put in perspective tho

[Kryozerkia]

saw this the other day. Jury must have been a bunch of wankers... and the music industry can clearly afford too many good lawyers and lobbyists, etc. i'd be hard pressed to believe each download was worth compensating even $800

Chances are the judge wasn't exactly savvy on the issue of P2P sharing either. That is usually the case when something that ludicrous is handed down.

[Bears Armed]

There's already been a thread here about that file-sharing case. Apparently the agency that enforces the relevant property rights on behalf of the artists &/or record companies originally offered to settle out-of-court for about $3'000 and it was the accused woman herself who insisted on a full trial by jury...