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Trivalve wrote:As some people here may know, Australia, United States and the United Kingdom publicly announced that they have created a new military alliance in response to tensions with China. Do you think that by publicly announcing this military alliance, they have lit the spark that will start world war 3? In my opinion, I think that this going to create another cold war because I believe that Russia will decide to support China by creating a new alliance which will result in other communist countries showing their support to China.

Grave_n_idle wrote:

Trivalve wrote:As some people here may know, Australia, United States and the United Kingdom publicly announced that they have created a new military alliance in response to tensions with China. Do you think that by publicly announcing this military alliance, they have lit the spark that will start world war 3? In my opinion, I think that this going to create another cold war because I believe that Russia will decide to support China by creating a new alliance which will result in other communist countries showing their support to China.

World War 3? No.

Cold War 1.5? Maybe.

It's a really bad sign for the UK, though - it only further isolates us in Europe and Pacific Rim politics don't really help us.

Free Metropolitan France wrote:I don't think it's the start of WW3 rather the start of the New Cold War in making. World tensions are palpable.

Trivalve wrote:

Free Metropolitan France wrote:I don't think it's the start of WW3 rather the start of the New Cold War in making. World tensions are palpable.

Tensions are horrible at the moment. Russia and the US have been looking for an excuse to go at each other for a while now and I am worried that this may be the excuse Russia was looking for.

Bombadil wrote:Taiwan is a clearly stated goal for the CCP, the unification of China is at the heart of CCP ideology. It’s an issue. The world can ignore it or not. On the one side, you might argue that it’s the limit of CCP colonial ambitions, to take and integrate an independent democratic nation. You might argue it’s no different to the US using military force to install democracy in Iraq or overturn democracy in many countries to forestall socialist governments.

We accept Afghanistan falling to the Taliban, Myanmar and Thailand falling to military control, HK losing rights and freedoms of speech.

Does the world accept a relatively modern economy, a relatively, if not advanced, democracy - I’ve shared previously how Taiwan invites hackers to build consensus platforms - a relatively free people, to fall under the direct control of one person - Xi Jinping - and his vision for a hivemind, thought-controlled society.

If China guarantees the freedom of Taiwan to determine its own future, something it promised for HK at least until 2047 and reneged on.. then sure, take no measures.

Yet they don’t and won’t, every day there are incursions into Taiwan air and sea space.

As my mother always said.. it takes two to tango, China has as much responsibility to de-escalate this situation.

*and yes, I will continue to use CCP, it’s not ‘of China’, it’s CCP first.

1. I completely agree with you that China every day violates the airspace of Taiwan every and wants to provoke military action from Taiwan so it can justify an imminent invasion of Taipei.
2. The same goes for Russia and Ukraine. Russian aggression is immeasurable in East Europe. Recently it hosted joint Russian-Belarus military drills with more than 200,000 troops which speaks volumes for itself. It's not a peanut. It's indirectly and directly a message to NATO and especially Ukraine.
3. CCP actions are very nasty and are intimidation to Taiwan, Japan, the Philippines and others. South China sea is another big ticking bomb ready to explode at any minute. Even though International laws had clearly stated in 2016 that south china doesn't belong to China but nevertheless China claims sovereignty over it.
4. Taiwan must be protected at all costs. It's a democracy where people have civil rights as well as political rights it serves as a model to other Asian nations what they can achieve. And I for my whole life has recognised Taiwan as true China not The Regime Of Mao and its successors.

Bombadil wrote:Taiwan is a clearly stated goal for the CCP, the unification of China is at the heart of CCP ideology. It’s an issue. The world can ignore it or not. On the one side you might argue that it’s the limit of CCP colonial ambitions, to take and integrate an independent democratic nation. You might argue it’s no different to the US using military force to install democracy in Iraq, or overturn democracy in many countries to forestall socialist governments.

We accept Afghanistan falling to the Taliban, Myanmar and Thailand falling to military control, HK losing rights and freedoms of speech.

Does the world accept a relatively modern economy, a relatively, if not advanced, democracy - I’ve shared previously how Taiwan invites hackers to build consensus platforms - a relatively free people, to fall under the direct control of one person - Xi Jinping - and his vision for a hivemind, thought-controlled society.

If China guarantees the freedom of Taiwan to determine its own future, something it promised for HK at least until 2047, and reneged on.. then sure, take no measures.

Yet they don’t and won’t, every day there’s incursions into Taiwan air and sea space.

As my mother always said.. it takes two to tango, China has as much responsibility to de-escalate this situation.

*and yes, I will continue to use CCP, it’s not ‘of China’, it’s CCP first.

Trivalve wrote:

Grave_n_idle wrote:
World War 3? No.

Cold War 1.5? Maybe.

It's a really bad sign for the UK, though - it only further isolates us in Europe and Pacific Rim politics don't really help us.

It can't be too bad. A lot of European countries aren't communists so you may still be supported. Evan with BREXIT I believe that you would be supported. Though I disagree that this should have been publicly announced to the world, I believe that this alliance will further re-enforce our nations bond so you wont be too disadvantaged

Diahon wrote:any reason to doubt japan and south korea joining up?

Trivalve wrote:In my opinion, I think that this going to create another cold war because I believe that Russia will decide to support China by creating a new alliance...

Trivalve wrote:...which will result in other communist countries showing their support to China.

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Classic USA

Diahon wrote:any reason to doubt japan and south korea joining up?

Greatest States Of America wrote:

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Classic USA

hahaha

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:

Greatest States Of America wrote:hahaha

Do not worry, if the United States does not want to start a world war in the world, that war will never happen. Because he is the king of the arms manufacturing market.

Tinhampton wrote:

Trivalve wrote:In my opinion, I think that this going to create another cold war because I believe that Russia will decide to support China by creating a new alliance...

The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation exists already.

Trivalve wrote:...which will result in other communist countries showing their support to China.

What - the combined might of North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and possibly Cuba (all of whom are already allies of PR China)?

South Americanastan wrote:

Tinhampton wrote:The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation exists already.


What - the combined might of North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and possibly Cuba (all of whom are already allies of PR China)?

Vietnam nowadays actually falls squarely in the American bloc. The Chinese have invaded them multiple times since the Vietnam War, souring their relations.

Greatest States Of America wrote:

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Do not worry, if the United States does not want to start a world war in the world, that war will never happen. Because he is the king of the arms manufacturing market.

No doubt the US remains 1 arms exporter in the world along with Russia, China, France.

Grave_n_idle wrote:

Diahon wrote:any reason to doubt japan and south korea joining up?

Definitely reason to doubt Japan joining us - Trumps' international policy with Pacific Rim nations was just so ridiculously awful that he managed to do the unthinkable and drive China and Japan into pledging deeper ties and trade back in 2018. I don't know if Biden has done enough to change any Pacific Rim opinions. Best case scenario, countries like Japan and South Korea just assume we're unreliable in the long-term but hope it's going to average out better. Worst case, they pick the stability of a next-door neighbor in an increasingly divided marketplace.