Should brothels exist?

[Hulagu]

Do you think that people dream about doing data entry in an office, or working a customer support phoneline, or sweeping floors, or shovelling shit? Lots of jobs aren't dream jobs, they're just things people do because they need the money. That's probably the vast majority of jobs. So what is so improper about prostitution? Why is that a job that we need to help people leave but working in an Amazon warehouse isn't?

Good point, however other jobs you mentioned don't give you STDs or unwanted pregnancies. And you're not raped at those places either.

Workplace harassment is a thing.

I´ve never heard of male protitutes getting pregnant - don´t be gynocentric.

Office jobs cause cardiovascular problems, RSI, and other illnesses that prostitution doesn´t engender.

[Ifreann]

Do you think that people dream about doing data entry in an office, or working a customer support phoneline, or sweeping floors, or shovelling shit? Lots of jobs aren't dream jobs, they're just things people do because they need the money. That's probably the vast majority of jobs. So what is so improper about prostitution? Why is that a job that we need to help people leave but working in an Amazon warehouse isn't?

Good point, however other jobs you mentioned don't give you STDs or unwanted pregnancies. And you're not raped at those places either.

In fact people are subjected to sexual harassment, assault, and sometimes rape at a variety of workplaces. And many jobs entail some kind of risk to one's physical health.

[Mackiland]

Good point, however other jobs you mentioned don't give you STDs or unwanted pregnancies. And you're not raped at those places either.

In fact people are subjected to sexual harassment, assault, and sometimes rape at a variety of workplaces. And many jobs entail some kind of risk to one's physical health.

Yes, but for prostitutes that is the job. It happens all the time for them. I think it's a huge difference.

[Mackiland]

Good point, however other jobs you mentioned don't give you STDs or unwanted pregnancies. And you're not raped at those places either.

Workplace harassment is a thing.

I´ve never heard of male protitutes getting pregnant - don´t be gynocentric.

Office jobs cause cardiovascular problems, RSI, and other illnesses that prostitution doesn´t engender.

As I said above workplace harassment doesn't happen all the time for other jobs while for prostitutes it happens all the time.
Getting pregnant was one of the issues.
When you work in the office you can do other things to help yourself, work out, have a walk and stuff to prevent those. STDs are very hardly prevented for prostitutes.

[Zambt]

In fact people are subjected to sexual harassment, assault, and sometimes rape at a variety of workplaces. And many jobs entail some kind of risk to one's physical health.

Yes, but for prostitutes that is the job. It happens all the time for them. I think it's a huge difference.

As opposed to construction workers, chemical factory jobs, and waste disposal?

[Zambt]

Workplace harassment is a thing.

I´ve never heard of male protitutes getting pregnant - don´t be gynocentric.

Office jobs cause cardiovascular problems, RSI, and other illnesses that prostitution doesn´t engender.

As I said above workplace harassment doesn't happen all the time for other jobs while for prostitutes it happens all the time.
Getting pregnant was one of the issues.
When you work in the office you can do other things to help yourself, work out, have a walk and stuff to prevent those. STDs are very hardly prevented for prostitutes.

Consent =/= harrassment. Prostitutes are allowed to refuse customers.

As for preventing pregnancies and STDs: condoms, PrEP, and so forth.

[Auzkhia]

Yes, especially ones collectively owned by sex workers.

Criminalizing sex work makes it dangerous, and decriminalized sex work with legal recourse would be much safer.

[Mackiland]

Yes, but for prostitutes that is the job. It happens all the time for them. I think it's a huge difference.

As opposed to construction workers, chemical factory jobs, and waste disposal?

But prostitution doesn't give much to the society. Those jobs help build buildings and stuff therefore they are important. I don't think the service given by prostitutes is that important for the society.

[Mackiland]

As I said above workplace harassment doesn't happen all the time for other jobs while for prostitutes it happens all the time.
Getting pregnant was one of the issues.
When you work in the office you can do other things to help yourself, work out, have a walk and stuff to prevent those. STDs are very hardly prevented for prostitutes.

Consent =/= harrassment. Prostitutes are allowed to refuse customers.

As for preventing pregnancies and STDs: condoms, PrEP, and so forth.

How can you know someone will harass you or not? Do the customers say they they are going to do that to them in advance?

[Ifreann]

In fact people are subjected to sexual harassment, assault, and sometimes rape at a variety of workplaces. And many jobs entail some kind of risk to one's physical health.

Yes, but for prostitutes that is the job. It happens all the time for them. I think it's a huge difference.

It is not the job of prostitutes to contract diseases, become pregnant, or be raped. Those are things that sometimes happen to prostitutes in the course of their work. Similar things happen to people who do other jobs as well. I work in retail and I've been at risk of catching covid almost every day since 2019. How is that different than prostitutes being at risk of catching an STD? Why is my job proper but theirs not?

[Deep Dark Dust Dimensions]

As opposed to construction workers, chemical factory jobs, and waste disposal?

But prostitution doesn't give much to the society. Those jobs help build buildings and stuff therefore they are important. I don't think the service given by prostitutes is that important for the society.

I think people can determine for themselves what jobs are important. Nobody made you the judge of usefulness, and nobody made that the standard for employment.

[Deep Dark Dust Dimensions]

How can you know someone will harass you or not? Do the customers say they they are going to do that to them in advance?

You can never know for sure. But reading body language might go some way, recognising behaviour patterns would go some way, and of course working in a brothel with a security (wo)man standing by would go a long way to stopping abuse before it takes off.

[Odreria]

no they should not exist wtf

[Diahon]

no they should not exist wtf

People would still fuck around whether or not you approve of them being public. The least we can do is to not penalize their fucking.

[HC Eredivisie]

as someone who's had plenty of oppoertunity to frequent them before this pandemic happened...

... duh?

I'm curious, how was your experience? How did the brothel work? What do you think would be the average cost? Is there security staff? To be honest I'm lazy to research this myself but it'd be cool having a first person perspective. Of course, no need to answer if you don't want to.

You ring the doorbell, there's a camera so they can see who's at the door, no other security. When in you can choose from a woman that's available at the moment or you already have made an appointment with one. The cost depend on what you want and for how long. The woman can also work from her own home or in a house from someone else she knows or rents.

[Mackiland]

Yes, but for prostitutes that is the job. It happens all the time for them. I think it's a huge difference.

It is not the job of prostitutes to contract diseases, become pregnant, or be raped. Those are things that sometimes happen to prostitutes in the course of their work. Similar things happen to people who do other jobs as well. I work in retail and I've been at risk of catching covid almost every day since 2019. How is that different than prostitutes being at risk of catching an STD? Why is my job proper but theirs not?

I think people can determine for themselves what jobs are important. Nobody made you the judge of usefulness, and nobody made that the standard for employment.

You can never know for sure. But reading body language might go some way, recognising behaviour patterns would go some way, and of course working in a brothel with a security (wo)man standing by would go a long way to stopping abuse before it takes off.

Okay I'll write my point here to answer everyone and make my point clear. I am not saying brothels should not be legal. In fact, I don't think it should be criminalized, but at the same time try to give people another way for making life. I do believe that for prostitutes it's a huge physical and psychological damage to do the thing they do. Even if they are never harassed it still doesn't mean it doesn't effect them. I don't think selling your body and letting others use it doesn't effect you in any way. And I believe everyone should have another choice other than being a prostitute to make money.
You guys compare it to other jobs but if another thing is bad it doesn't make the first thing less bad. The other jobs need their own regulations. I don't agree with the opinion "if this is legal then this should be legal too." I think it should be more like "let's fix this problem here and don't make another problem rise."

[Diahon]

if i can fuck around without thought of payment for any number of reasons, why can't anyone else do so and get compensated for doing so?

[Sundiata]

No.

[Mackiland]

if i can fuck around without thought of payment for any number of reasons, why can't anyone else do so and get compensated for doing so?

wait, you can't do that for free in a legal brothel, can you? xD unless your wife/husband works there, ig! no offence.

[Diahon]

if i can fuck around without thought of payment for any number of reasons, why can't anyone else do so and get compensated for doing so?

wait, you can't do that for free in a legal brothel, can you? xD unless your wife/husband works there, ig! no offence.

i'm unhappily single, though the unhappy part is more a function of the last five years or so

that said, i'm confused as to what your point is -- is money changing hands that important a factor?

EDIT: post 69? nice

[HC Eredivisie]

I do believe that for prostitutes it's a huge physical and psychological damage to do the thing they do. Even if they are never harassed it still doesn't mean it doesn't effect them. I don't think selling your body and letting others use it doesn't effect you in any way. And I believe everyone should have another choice other than being a prostitute to make money.

Some do it for fun, aside from the money.

[New Anarchisticstan]

I watched a video of an unregulated underground brothel and well, kind of disgusting, especially in those conditions. Indeed, most probably the men/women didn't want to do this job and most probably they resorted to it just for money. So yes, just as I have said in a previous post, atleast decent conditions are a must.

[Mackiland]

wait, you can't do that for free in a legal brothel, can you? xD unless your wife/husband works there, ig! no offence.

i'm unhappily single, though the unhappy part is more a function of the last five years or so

that said, i'm confused as to what your point is -- is money changing hands that important a factor?

Maybe I didn't understand what you said! I am confused about "without thought of payment".

[Dexterra]

I'm in favor of legitimizing and legalizing sex work because it will go a long way towards overcoming human trafficking

[Mackiland]

EDIT: post 69? nice

Hahahahah, I noticed that to and wanted to post xD