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Who do you think will win the Virginia Gubernatorial Race?

Terry McAuliffe(D)
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57%
Glenn Youngkin(R)
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Total votes : 100

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Odreria
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Postby Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:36 pm

Jeriga wrote:
Odreria wrote:I mean it does kind of make you wonder how somebody hates on mao but also votes against caitlyn jenner

You're not gonna have a good time pushing identity politics here

being "anti identity politics" is a codeword for being transphobic and refusing to center body positive LGBTQ BIPOC voices of color. I bet you voted for the sexist senator from vermont
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:36 pm

Antipatros wrote:Larry will be speaking in about 10-15 minutes.

They're now showing "voter fraud" stories that are currently running on Fox News.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:36 pm

Antipatros wrote:Larry will be speaking in about 10-15 minutes.


oh no I turned the TV off and the remote is out of reach. oh nooooo
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Postby Jeriga » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:37 pm

Odreria wrote:
Jeriga wrote:You're not gonna have a good time pushing identity politics here

being "anti identity politics" is a codeword for being transphobic and refusing to center body positive LGBTQ BIPOC voices of color. I bet you voted for the sexist senator from vermont

Are you serious?
I'd be a real socialist if I thought it could actually work.

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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:38 pm

Odreria wrote:
Jeriga wrote:You're not gonna have a good time pushing identity politics here

being "anti identity politics" is a codeword for being transphobic and refusing to center body positive LGBTQ BIPOC voices of color. I bet you voted for the sexist senator from vermont


dude, eat a snickers.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:38 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.wcvb.com/article/boston-massachusetts-2021-mayoral-primary-election-results-september-14/37502410

Boston held its mayoral and city council primary. Final results will not be for awhile but it appears Boston will elect its first woman mayor.

City councilors Michelle Wu and Annissa Essaibi-George will advance to the general election. Incumbent mayor Kim Janey was seeking a full term after becoming mayor due to Marty Walsh’s resignation to become labor secretary. Janey is the first mayor in 72 years to lose a primary.


Nothing I love more than having my local news be dominated for three months by an election I can't vote in. Boston really needs to annex the outer boroughs


That’s unlikely to happen. Local news often covers major city elections if the area they cover contains one. Not sure what the exact term is. I see coverage of New Jersey elections in my local news.

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:38 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Larry will be speaking in about 10-15 minutes.


oh no I turned the TV off and the remote is out of reach. oh nooooo

Oh nooo, I never got a subscription to whatever service I’d probably need…

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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:38 pm

Jeriga wrote:
Odreria wrote:being "anti identity politics" is a codeword for being transphobic and refusing to center body positive LGBTQ BIPOC voices of color. I bet you voted for the sexist senator from vermont

Are you serious?

Does that sound serious? Or better, does it sound like something you should take seriously?
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:38 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Given how the PRC tends to think, it's quite the small chance imo.


a small chance is better than no chance.

There's a small chance you'll win the lottery, doesn't mean it's worth mortgaging your house to buy tickets.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:40 pm

Antipatros wrote:
Antipatros wrote:Larry will be speaking in about 10-15 minutes.

They're now showing "voter fraud" stories that are currently running on Fox News.

Let's see if ABC streaming gives any fucks. I'm guessing no since they don't even have anchors hanging around for this.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Odreria
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Postby Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:40 pm

Jeriga wrote:
Odreria wrote:being "anti identity politics" is a codeword for being transphobic and refusing to center body positive LGBTQ BIPOC voices of color. I bet you voted for the sexist senator from vermont

Are you serious?

he said that a woman can't be president.
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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:41 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
This was never about conventional attacks. Nobody is worried about conventional attacks. Convdnfional attacks take mountains of logistics, days of build up and posturing, plenty of time for cooler heads to prevail. This is about nuclear attacks which the president can order up in less time it takes to order a pizza.

Or behaving so erratically that his actions could trigger a pre-emptive strike and as someone tasked with protecting the United States he...protected the United States.

You seem to think the issue here is that someone’s saying Gen. Milley is a bad dude who did the wrong thing; it’s not, it’s that already weak civilian control of the military (the only institution which commands social trust) has been weakened enough that the civilian government may be so afflicted by crisis that it has to fully turn over national security and foreign policy to the military for periods as it sorts out a succession process. Fortunately our military are indoctrinated to respect civilian control, and they returned it as soon as possible and with as little media attention as possible, but again: think about how this plays if you’re an outsider and you get the call from Washington that this is happening.
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Jeriga
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Postby Jeriga » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:41 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Jeriga wrote:Are you serious?

Does that sound serious? Or better, does it sound like something you should take seriously?

No... no it does not.
I'd be a real socialist if I thought it could actually work.

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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:43 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Or behaving so erratically that his actions could trigger a pre-emptive strike and as someone tasked with protecting the United States he...protected the United States.

You seem to think the issue here is that someone’s saying Gen. Milley is a bad dude who did the wrong thing; it’s not, it’s that already weak civilian control of the military (the only institution which commands social trust) has been weakened enough that the civilian government may be so afflicted by crisis that it has to fully turn over national security and foreign policy to the military for periods as it sorts out a succession process. Fortunately our military are indoctrinated to respect civilian control, and they returned it as soon as possible and with as little media attention as possible, but again: think about how this plays if you’re an outsider and you get the call from Washington that this is happening.

I'm just not seeing "follow procedures" correlating to your Chicken Little scenario. I mean, you guys can say the same thing again, but I gotta tell ya...it hasn't gotten more convincing with repetition.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Comerciante » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:43 pm

Tarsonis wrote:That we know of. Remember this is the guy that wanted to nuke hurricanes.

To be fair nuclear hurricanes would be way more rad than even sharknadoes. We could even have a crossover.

Mutant Nuclear Sharknadoes.
"Rumors of CFC affiliates building superweapons in orbit over Earth is fake news. Watch groups have corroborated this even though it would be to quote the BoD "totally rad."

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:43 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Or behaving so erratically that his actions could trigger a pre-emptive strike and as someone tasked with protecting the United States he...protected the United States.

You seem to think the issue here is that someone’s saying Gen. Milley is a bad dude who did the wrong thing; it’s not, it’s that already weak civilian control of the military (the only institution which commands social trust) has been weakened enough that the civilian government may be so afflicted by crisis that it has to fully turn over national security and foreign policy to the military for periods as it sorts out a succession process. Fortunately our military are indoctrinated to respect civilian control, and they returned it as soon as possible and with as little media attention as possible, but again: think about how this plays if you’re an outsider and you get the call from Washington that this is happening.


It's certainly a massive propaganda victory for the PRC and friends. If I were them I'd be running story after story about how wildly dysfunctional American democracy is, they don't even need to make things up anymore.
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Antipatros
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:43 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Or behaving so erratically that his actions could trigger a pre-emptive strike and as someone tasked with protecting the United States he...protected the United States.

You seem to think the issue here is that someone’s saying Gen. Milley is a bad dude who did the wrong thing; it’s not, it’s that already weak civilian control of the military (the only institution which commands social trust) has been weakened enough that the civilian government may be so afflicted by crisis that it has to fully turn over national security and foreign policy to the military for periods as it sorts out a succession process. Fortunately our military are indoctrinated to respect civilian control, and they returned it as soon as possible and with as little media attention as possible, but again: think about how this plays if you’re an outsider and you get the call from Washington that this is happening.

Really this sort of thing should never happen. It should never even cross a general's mind that such a course of action may be necessary. The US is not supposed to be like this. It is now though, and things are probably going to get worse, not better.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:44 pm

Odreria wrote:
Jeriga wrote:Are you serious?

he said that a woman can't be president.


he said a woman couldn't be elected president, not that a woman couldn't be the president. A subtle but oh so crucial difference.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:44 pm

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... for-mayor/

In Somerville a suburb of Boston, City Councilors Will Mbah and Katjana Ballantyne advanced to the general election.

Mbah immigrated to the US from Cameroon.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:44 pm

Comerciante wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:That we know of. Remember this is the guy that wanted to nuke hurricanes.

To be fair nuclear hurricanes would be way more rad than even sharknadoes. We could even have a crossover.

Mutant Nuclear Sharknadoes.

Radioactive Mutant Hurrisharks.

BRB, I gotta pitch something the Asylum...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Odreria
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Postby Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:46 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Odreria wrote:he said that a woman can't be president.


he said a woman couldn't be elected president, not that a woman couldn't be the president. A subtle but oh so crucial difference.

I don't need you to mansplain sexism and I definitely don't need the USA to become like valenzuala :)
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:46 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
early warning gives the opposing side a chance to activate counter measures and reduce the scope of
violence. By putting China on an even footing, you can actually contain the damage rather than China getting blind sides launching everything cause "fuck it if we're going we're taking everyone with us."

not saying is guaranteed but there's a chance.

Given how the PRC tends to think, it's quite the small chance imo.

something something barbarous orientals amirite, it’s okay to default to wars of extermination bc they don’t rlly count as ppl

Odreria wrote:
Jeriga wrote:Are you serious?

he said that a woman can't be president.

He said a STRAIGHT woman can’t be President and I think we can all agree it’s time to queer the Oval Office
agreed honey. send bees

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:47 pm

Odreria wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
he said a woman couldn't be elected president, not that a woman couldn't be the president. A subtle but oh so crucial difference.

I don't need you to mansplain sexism and I definitely don't need the USA to become like valenzuala :)

wakka wakka wakka
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:47 pm

Odreria wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
he said a woman couldn't be elected president, not that a woman couldn't be the president. A subtle but oh so crucial difference.

I don't need you to mansplain sexism and I definitely don't need the USA to become like valenzuala :)


Oh so.you are doing. bit. commitment is these bur the material needs work.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Odreria
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Ex-Nation

Postby Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:48 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Odreria wrote:I don't need you to mansplain sexism and I definitely don't need the USA to become like valenzuala :)


Oh so.you are doing. bit. commitment is these bur the material needs work.

communism killed over 100 million people and it all started when the sexist senator yelled so much on tv and made me feel unsafe
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