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Who do you think will win the Virginia Gubernatorial Race?

Terry McAuliffe(D)
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Glenn Youngkin(R)
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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let's be clear, Newsome is a fuckstick. he's only winning because Californians woke up and realized the alternative would be worse.


Indeed. Newsom is hardly perfect. He has done things which could really annoy people.

As I said before I sent my illegal bamboo fibered ballot with Cyrillic writing. I need something meaty to recall him. Sorry but:

OMFG he ordered mask mandates and social distancing.
OMFG he ordered a lockdown.
OMFG he violated his own mask rules.

If we removed every politician for being a douche; government would be about three people.


We'll make a libertarian out of you yet :lol:
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Postby Jeriga » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:45 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Jeriga wrote:You can judge that all you want. What he did is still legally out of line.


But morally, it was the right thing to do.

Even if it mean the death American servicepeople?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:46 pm

NYT still refuses to budge, claiming that they want to see some of the actual totals from today since they expect significant difference between the early votes and today's totals...even though wisdom, logic, common sense, and the will of God Almighty tell us that Newsom's been retained.
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Postby Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:46 pm

why tf is newsom winning...
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:47 pm

Jeriga wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
But morally, it was the right thing to do.

Even if it mean the death American servicepeople?


Let's be clear, we're not talking about whistle blowing a night op or fleet movements. We're talking about nuclear attacks. When then body count will measure in the hundreds of millions, it really stops mattering what shirt they're wearing.
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Postby Kanadorika » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:47 pm

Jeriga wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
That's not necessarily a bad thing. In quite a few ways, it could be the most patriotic act one could do.

You can judge that all you want. What he did is still legally out of line.

Heaven forbid we inform the Chinese of a potential unprovoked nuclear genocide aimed at them by a rogue lame duck president. I'm sure they have the right to know that they are about to get murdered by US missiles for no reason other than the existing.

Thank God this didn't actually happen, but I'll break any law if it means my state is potentially about to massacre millions and I'd uphold the same actions taken by anybody else.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:47 pm

Tarsonis wrote:That we know of. Remember this is the guy that wanted to nuke hurricanes.

I feel like we'd be quite aware if he decided to go long with the nuclear football.

Tarsonis wrote:
Jeriga wrote:Because warning the enemy is essentially becoming an informant for them-_-


That's not necessarily a bad thing. In quite a few ways, it could be the most patriotic act one could do.

Elaborate.

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Well, what are we waiting for then? Let's get to it!
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:47 pm

Jeriga wrote:
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It’s not like he called the Premier. He called his counterpart in the Chinese Military.

I mean I don't see how saying you'll give top secret information and break opsec to warn the enemy of an impending attack makes you a hero. Stopping the attack does. Not making it easier for the enemy to repulse the attack


What top secret information did he give? 45 won’t be attacking or starting a war?

If we were going to attack China; there would be a great many more things going on versus a President who lost his election.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:48 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Lanceros for me because Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica and Hannibal from A-Team smoked them. Sort of throws a spanner into insisting that I wasn't influenced in smoking cigars.


Col Potter: "Have a Cigar Radar."

Radar: "But sir aren't those habit forming?"

Potter: "Nonsense, I've smoked two a day for 50 years and never caught the habit."

Another influence, I secretly like biting the end off instead of using a clipper because Potter would do that. But then, the clipper is fun because the bad guy in Dark Man used one all menacing like.

Also there's a scene in Mountains of the Moon where Burton (the main character) gently blows smoke into a brandy snifter and then draws it back out and I have obsessively tried to replicate that.

Shit...the topic...
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:48 pm

Odreria wrote:why tf is newsom winning...


Cause California has spoken
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:48 pm

Odreria wrote:why tf is newsom winning...

Biden won the state by almost 30 points. When people turn out in California, Democrats tend to win.

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Postby Jeriga » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:48 pm

ABC now predicts that Newsom will remain in office. Suck it, GOP.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:48 pm

Jeriga wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
But morally, it was the right thing to do.

Even if it mean the death American servicepeople?


What did this person do exactly, rang someone to say if there was an imminent attack he'd warn them..? Pretty sure there must be procedures for this anyway, if only to ring and ask 'hey, is this real or a glitch in our system?', I remember a near incidence leading to this procedure for the USSR so I assume there's one for China.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:48 pm

Odreria wrote:why tf is newsom winning...


Because nobody wanted to see Elder as Governor?

And NYT just called it too.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:48 pm

the lead has now shrunk to less than 2 million. Newsomes fucked
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Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Jeriga » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:49 pm

Odreria wrote:why tf is newsom winning...

Because the whole country doesn't live on Maga propoganda
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:49 pm

Odreria wrote:why tf is newsom winning...

Because the recall was stupid and the alternatives were clownshoes.
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Postby Jeriga » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:50 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Jeriga wrote:Even if it mean the death American servicepeople?


What did this person do exactly, rang someone to say if there was an imminent attack he'd warn them..? Pretty sure there must be procedures for this anyway, if only to ring and ask 'hey, is this real or a glitch in our system?', I remember a near incidence leading to this procedure for the USSR so I assume there's one for China.

Opsec is extremely important. He knows that. Yet he told the Chinese he would break that to America's detriment.
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Postby Antipatros » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:50 pm

Tarsonis wrote:the lead has now shrunk to less than 2 million. Newsomes fucked

Made me LOL, nice one.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:51 pm

Jeriga wrote:ABC now predicts that Newsom will remain in office. Suck it, GOP.

Stupid streaming service...they haven't said shit.

Well, chalk one up for sanity.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:51 pm

Odreria wrote:why tf is newsom winning...


Because Californians don’t want radical Trumpist Larry Elder to become their governor.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:52 pm

Odreria wrote:why tf is newsom winning...

Newsom isn't perfect, but Larry Elder lives in MAGA alternate reality.
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Postby Jeriga » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:52 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Jeriga wrote:ABC now predicts that Newsom will remain in office. Suck it, GOP.

Stupid streaming service...they haven't said shit.

Well, chalk one up for sanity.

I'm streaming it too. They just put a note on the side of their screen. Nothing verbal
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:52 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
this is the dumbest take I've ever heard. Cigars are the shit, no matter what side of the spectrum you're on. Hell I was a hardline conservative 10 years ago, and I would describe my ideal cigars as "El Presidentes" er go, the kind I thought Castro would smoke.


Cigars are dope dude, now quit bitching and pair it with a nice scotch.

Lanceros for me because Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica and Hannibal from A-Team smoked them. Sort of throws a spanner into insisting that I wasn't influenced in smoking cigars.


Ever meet her? She is cooool! She admitted she smokes them every so often.
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Postby Odreria » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:52 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Odreria wrote:why tf is newsom winning...


Because Californians don’t want radical Trumpist Larry Elder to become their governor.

no I don't that's why I voted for caitlyn jenner
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