American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[San Lumen]

a large number of police officers resigning with no one to replace them would be a very bad thing with serious consequences.

Honestly, I think no police officers at all would be better than police officers who care so little about the public safety that they insist on spreading a deadly disease.

That is a ridiculous take. A lawless city with no police force is not the solution under any circumstances.

[Corrian]

a large number of police officers resigning with no one to replace them would be a very bad thing with serious consequences.

Honestly, I think no police officers at all would be better than police officers who care so little about the public safety that they insist on spreading a deadly disease.

And if it becomes a mess, we can deal with that when we get there. Or plan before. I mean at this point we have to force change one way or the other. Peoples wants keep getting ignored, so expect more civil unrest before long if this keeps up.

(Kinda went on a side tangent for some reason but whatever)

[Corrian]

And for awhile you'll have significant increase in crime and other consequences. Not everything is as simple as people make it out to be.

You think I think this is simple? I don't. I also don't really care. Whatever it takes to force the shitty officers out.

And again, its their fault, not the vaccine mandates. They refuse to protect and serve anyway. So they can fuck right off.

That is a ridiculous take. A lawless city with no police force is not the solution under any circumstances.

Not every officer is going to leave, so there won't be "No police force".

[Cannot think of a name]

And for awhile you'll have significant increase in crime and other consequences. Not everything is as simple as people make it out to be.

You think I think this is simple? I don't. I also don't really care. Whatever it takes to force the shitty officers out.

And again, its their fault, not the vaccine mandates. They refuse to protect and serve anyway. So they can fuck right off.

That is a ridiculous take. A lawless city with no police force is not the solution under any circumstances.

Not every officer is going to leave, so there won't be "No police force".

I mean, really...how much of the force are we really talking about?

[Genivaria]

Honestly, I think no police officers at all would be better than police officers who care so little about the public safety that they insist on spreading a deadly disease.

That is a ridiculous take. A lawless city with no police force is not the solution under any circumstances.

'Lawless' yes because without police we'd all rape and murder each other, instead the police murder us.

[San Lumen]

And for awhile you'll have significant increase in crime and other consequences. Not everything is as simple as people make it out to be.

You think I think this is simple? I don't. I also don't really care. Whatever it takes to force the shitty officers out.

And again, its their fault, not the vaccine mandates. They refuse to protect and serve anyway. So they can fuck right off.

That is a ridiculous take. A lawless city with no police force is not the solution under any circumstances.

Not every officer is going to leave, so there won't be "No police force".

and what are you going to do in the meantime to make up for the shortage of officers? Simply say oh well?

[Corrian]

You think I think this is simple? I don't. I also don't really care. Whatever it takes to force the shitty officers out.

And again, its their fault, not the vaccine mandates. They refuse to protect and serve anyway. So they can fuck right off.


Not every officer is going to leave, so there won't be "No police force".

and what are you going to do in the meantime to make up for the shortage of officers? Simply say oh well?

States can call in their national guard like they have been doing for a lack of doctors.

I mean if the police really cared about their city falling into "Lawlessness" they'd get the fucking shot.

[Corrian]

You think I think this is simple? I don't. I also don't really care. Whatever it takes to force the shitty officers out.

And again, its their fault, not the vaccine mandates. They refuse to protect and serve anyway. So they can fuck right off.


Not every officer is going to leave, so there won't be "No police force".

I mean, really...how much of the force are we really talking about?

Probably like 5% or less like basically everywhere that's enacted a vaccine mandate so far.

[Outer Sparta]

You think I think this is simple? I don't. I also don't really care. Whatever it takes to force the shitty officers out.

And again, its their fault, not the vaccine mandates. They refuse to protect and serve anyway. So they can fuck right off.


Not every officer is going to leave, so there won't be "No police force".

and what are you going to do in the meantime to make up for the shortage of officers? Simply say oh well?

A majority of police officers will get the vaccine or have gotten it. The minority tend to be amplified in the media for them to bothsides the issue saying "but but but a few police officers don't want the vaccine so we need to listen to them" or some other shit.

And if officers do not want to get vaccinated, they can go find a job elsewhere or go to a different department that allows cops like them. Isn't that the free market at work?

[Corrian]

and what are you going to do in the meantime to make up for the shortage of officers? Simply say oh well?

A majority of police officers will get the vaccine or have gotten it. The minority tend to be amplified in the media for them to bothsides the issue saying "but but but a few police officers don't want the vaccine so we need to listen to them" or some other shit.

And if officers do not want to get vaccinated, they can go find a job elsewhere or go to a different department that allows cops like them. Isn't that the free market at work?

The media really needs to stop doing that shit. Its annoying. "600 people were fired from such and such hospital group" Yeah and its like 5% of the force (Or less), your point, media?

[Outer Sparta]

A majority of police officers will get the vaccine or have gotten it. The minority tend to be amplified in the media for them to bothsides the issue saying "but but but a few police officers don't want the vaccine so we need to listen to them" or some other shit.

And if officers do not want to get vaccinated, they can go find a job elsewhere or go to a different department that allows cops like them. Isn't that the free market at work?

The media really needs to stop doing that shit. Its annoying. "600 people were fired from such and such hospital group" Yeah and its like 5% of the force (Or less), your point, media?

They don't care if most Americans support vaccine mandates. They want to make money by using the bothsidesist tactics and amplify the opinions of those on the fringes. That's why you don't have the NYT interviewing normal Americans in diners about actual issues (or maybe their definition of normal Americans are Trump supporters and their definition of actual issues is culture war bullshit).

[Corrian]

The media really needs to stop doing that shit. Its annoying. "600 people were fired from such and such hospital group" Yeah and its like 5% of the force (Or less), your point, media?

They don't care if most Americans support vaccine mandates. They want to make money by using the bothsidesist tactics and amplify the opinions of those on the fringes. That's why you don't have the NYT interviewing normal Americans in diners about actual issues (or maybe their definition of normal Americans are Trump supporters and their definition of actual issues is culture war bullshit).

The media is honestly helping spiral our demise. It almost feels like they want Trump back just for the drama.

[Eahland]

Honestly, I think no police officers at all would be better than police officers who care so little about the public safety that they insist on spreading a deadly disease.

That is a ridiculous take. A lawless city with no police force is not the solution under any circumstances.

A police force that's actively hostile to public safety and lawful order is literally worse than nothing.

[Cannot think of a name]

I mean, really...how much of the force are we really talking about?

Probably like 5% or less like basically everywhere that's enacted a vaccine mandate so far.

So, basically not enough to really give a shit about.

They don't care if most Americans support vaccine mandates. They want to make money by using the bothsidesist tactics and amplify the opinions of those on the fringes. That's why you don't have the NYT interviewing normal Americans in diners about actual issues (or maybe their definition of normal Americans are Trump supporters and their definition of actual issues is culture war bullshit).

The media is honestly helping spiral our demise. It almost feels like they want Trump back just for the drama.

At some point, however, consumers need to understand their role in this. If clickbait didn't work, if sensationalism didn't work, they wouldn't do it. There is absolutely ideology driven media but it still operates in a market.

It's important people remember this thing articulated well in this Mitchell and Webb Look sketch about a show for idiots.

In a lot of ways we get the media we deserve.

[Uiiop]

Probably like 5% or less like basically everywhere that's enacted a vaccine mandate so far.

So, basically not enough to really give a shit about.

The media is honestly helping spiral our demise. It almost feels like they want Trump back just for the drama.

At some point, however, consumers need to understand their role in this. If clickbait didn't work, if sensationalism didn't work, they wouldn't do it. There is absolutely ideology driven media but it still operates in a market.

It's important people remember this thing articulated well in this Mitchell and Webb Look sketch about a show for idiots.

In a lot of ways we get the media we deserve.

I feel blame without alternatives can only get us so much. What do you suggest people do or look at instead?

[Cannot think of a name]

So, basically not enough to really give a shit about.

At some point, however, consumers need to understand their role in this. If clickbait didn't work, if sensationalism didn't work, they wouldn't do it. There is absolutely ideology driven media but it still operates in a market.

It's important people remember this thing articulated well in this Mitchell and Webb Look sketch about a show for idiots.

In a lot of ways we get the media we deserve.

I feel blame without alternatives can only get us so much. What do you suggest people do or look at instead?

It was sort of implicit, wasn't it? You get the media you consume. If you don't like what you're getting...well...

[The Reformed American Republic]

Yeah, but it doesn't go as far as it does in China. I can go on a rant on how our government and our economic system sucks (it does btw) but I will not have a lower credit score as a result.

Yes it does. You can’t get shit without a credit check.

You seem to have missed the latter part of the statement. Have your posts on NSG been saught out and used as an excuse to lower your score because you're a dissident?

[Uiiop]

I feel blame without alternatives can only get us so much. What do you suggest people do or look at instead?

It was sort of implicit, wasn't it? You get the media you consume. If you don't like what you're getting...well...

One would think naming good alternatives was the clear ask here but i'd guess not LMAO.

[Cannot think of a name]

It was sort of implicit, wasn't it? You get the media you consume. If you don't like what you're getting...well...

One would think naming good alternatives was the clear ask here but i'd guess not LMAO.

It's a weird ask considering the thing I was critiquing, especially since again it was directly stated that it's about what you want to see, not what I want you to see. I mean, if you're looking for people to tell you what to do I'm sure there are plenty of resources out there for you, that's not a service I was offering.

[Kowani]

Schumer to file cloture on Manchin voting rights bill

Cloture filed, vote set for Wednesday, October 20

[Relden]

'Lawless' yes because without police we'd all rape and murder each other, instead the police murder us.

This guy is literally saying that nothing too big would happen if police just decided to up and leave.

Truly an NSG classic.

[Kilobugya]

But which is more corrosive to a democracy? Riots in protest of police injustice and brutality, or the police demonstrating that they are every bit the monsters the protesters claim?

And then we are back to the "three violence" of Dom Hélder Câmara.

[Kilobugya]

When the city government is telling city employees to disclose their vaccination status so that they can implement testing for employees who aren't vaccinated, the police...what? Is that a corrosive situation where the rules go out the window? Or should law enforcement just obey the law until and unless a court strikes it down?

Here in France, when the government started making vaccines mandatory for some professions (like healthcare workers, ...) and requiring proof of vaccination to enter many places (restaurants, theaters, ...) they were very, very careful to exempt the policemen of any obligation. Because since the beginning of the "yellow vest" protests, and the massive strike we had in winter 2019-2020 against retirement reforms, the government only holds through the police, and they would never dare to move a finger against them. And (who would have guessed) this attitude of the government never taking any chance to upset anyone inside the police leads to a massive increase of police brutality...

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I consider refusing to get a vaccine to be against your "Protecting and serving" mantra, though its absolutely no surprise a large chunk of officers are shitty and won't get vaccinated. But maybe they'll purge themselves this time instead of reforms having to do the job for them.

a large number of police officers resigning with no one to replace them would be a very bad thing with serious consequences.

If it forced them to use their limited resources and manpower to deal exclusively with serious problems like rapists and murderers and had no one to enforce drug laws, handcuff 8 year olds over bullshit, and terrorize the homeless, I think that would be great.

[Kilobugya]

a large number of police officers resigning with no one to replace them would be a very bad thing with serious consequences.

If it forced them to use their limited resources and manpower to deal exclusively with serious problems like rapists and murderers and had no one to enforce drug laws, handcuff 8 year olds over bullshit, and terrorize the homeless, I think that would be great.

Saddly, we both know that's not what will happen. They'll keep doing the "bullshit", they may even be even more harsh and brutal in how they handle situations, and they'll be more prone to just discard rape or domestic violence cases...