American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Deblar]

Wow, Texas continues to be worse than i expected.

edit: Well its government anyway, bit unfair to tarnish an entire state.

Ah yes Texas, the place where Covid has more reproductive rights than women.

Ouch

Ah yes. MTG is openly inciting secession on twitter. The fact that more than a single number digit percentage of Americans want to secede is concerning.

I really doubt Y'all Quaeda would be able to actually achieve anything they want though violence, as much as they like to chant and yell about "rounding up the libs". We saw how mant scattered and ram on 1/6 when a single officer opened fire and the rioters fled like scared animals.

Still, I foresee a future where right wing extremism becomes evem more prominent and dangerous.

And yet Republicans in Congress don’t care. They refused to convict Trump for inciting a riot because they are too afraid of their rapid base and primary challengers. They should have done the right thing and convicted him and told their base to take a hike and effectively said We don’t want your vote if you support an insurrectionist.

But then they’d lose a good amount of their power with shunning most of their voter base, so hell has a better chance of freezing over than the GOP willingly shooting themselves in the foot.

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Ah yes. MTG is openly inciting secession on twitter. The fact that more than a single number digit percentage of Americans want to secede is concerning.

I really doubt Y'all Quaeda would be able to actually achieve anything they want though violence, as much as they like to chant and yell about "rounding up the libs". We saw how mant scattered and ram on 1/6 when a single officer opened fire and the rioters fled like scared animals.

Still, I foresee a future where right wing extremism becomes evem more prominent and dangerous.

I just keep thinking maybe the answer is to convince the right-wing nutjobs that every billionaire is a member of the lizardpeople-pizzagate-microchip-communist-Islamic-Epstein-BLM-Venezuela-Biden conspiracy.

I mean think about it, they'd go out and wage the class war, they would assume all the risk. It's brilliant.

[Kowani]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

[Antipatros]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Are they trying to say that people who want vaccine mandates are Nazis?

That is the most charitable way I can interpret that.

[Comerciante]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Oh fucking come on.

You can't be that fucking... you just- I just can't fucking find the words.

[Rusozak]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Oh fucking come on.

You can't be that fucking... you just- I just can't fucking find the words.

These are the people that co-opted the Star of David badges used in the concentration camps for use by the proudly unvaccinated. Are you surprised?

[Heloin]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Are they trying to say that people who want vaccine mandates are Nazis?

That is the most charitable way I can interpret that.

Reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where George Bush makes a "Two Bad Neighbors" sign meaning Bart and Homer but has it on his own house.

[Comerciante]

Oh fucking come on.

You can't be that fucking... you just- I just can't fucking find the words.

These are the people that co-opted the Star of David badges used in the concentration camps for use by the proudly unvaccinated. Are you surprised?

I keep lowering my standards and every time I open this page I find that they haven't yet fallen low enough.

[Heloin]

These are the people that co-opted the Star of David badges used in the concentration camps for use by the proudly unvaccinated. Are you surprised?

I keep lowering my standards and every time I open this page I find that they haven't yet fallen low enough.

Here's a shovel.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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If one compares vaccinations to the deliberate ferrying of people in cattle-cars to be worked to death or gassed then one is no better than a rabid antisemite. Change my mind.

Surprisingly my mind has not been changed since then.

[Vlad Tepes Stan Account]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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If one compares vaccinations to the deliberate ferrying of people in cattle-cars to be worked to death or gassed then one is no better than a rabid antisemite. Change my mind.

Surprisingly my mind has not been changed since then.

I've never encountered a convincing argument that comparing vaccine mandates to Nazis is antisemitic.

[Antipatros]

I guess George Washington is a Nazi, on account of ordering the inoculation of Continental Army soldiers against smallpox.

On the other hand, if you criticize our Founding Fathers you are an anti-American historical revisionist.

Surprisingly my mind has not been changed since then.

I've never encountered a convincing argument that comparing vaccine mandates to Nazis is antisemitic.

I guess you could argue that it trivializes what occurred during the Holocaust. It's definitely offensive, but I don't know if it rises to the level of antisemitism.

[Vlad Tepes Stan Account]

I guess you could argue that it trivializes what occurred during the Holocaust. It's definitely offensive, but I don't know if it rises to the level of antisemitism.

This happens often in contemporary politics when XYZ thing is compared to the Nazis or fascism in general. If the other times it's not antisemitic, than I fail to see how it is now other than people hyperventilating. I think I've lost count as to how many times Israel has been compared to Nazi Germany or how opposition to XYZ social movement is Nazi tier. It's a stupid movement and stupid comparison for sure but calling it antisemitic is laughable.

[The Black Forrest]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Wow. My granddad would have had a few choice words for Walker. He fought the Nazi's for Poland and the UK.

[Deblar]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Wow. My granddad would have had a few choice words for Walker. He fought the Nazi's for Poland and the UK.

I got three: what the fuck

[The Black Forrest]

I keep lowering my standards and every time I open this page I find that they haven't yet fallen low enough.

Here's a shovel.

Actually; here is an excavator. The 2022 and 2024 elections are coming up.

[The Reformed American Republic]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Stopped clock he is right on it not being antisemitic. It is engaging in Reductio ad Hitlerum and is comparing Democrats and people advocating vaccinations to Nazis, rather than saying that Nazism is good. So no, not antisemitic, just very idiotic and absurd.

Claiming it is antisemitic is also a stupid statement as it is an obvious failure to grasp what it is trying to say. Don't just jump to conclusions just because you see a swastika, as comparing the Democrats to Hitler is not a new GOP talking point and they're kind of hoping you'd do that.

[The Black Forrest]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Stopped clock he is right on it not being antisemitic. It is engaging in Reductio ad Hitlerum and is comparing Democrats and people advocating vaccinations to Nazis, rather than saying that Nazism is good. So no, not antisemitic, just very idiotic and absurd.

Sorry. Anybody who has had to deal with that symbol be it Jewish or combat are not thinking "Oh Reductio ad Hitlerum"

[Senkaku]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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Stopped clock he is right on it not being antisemitic. It is engaging in Reductio ad Hitlerum and is comparing Democrats and people advocating vaccinations to Nazis, rather than saying that Nazism is good. So no, not antisemitic, just very idiotic and absurd.

Antivaxxers drawing Holocaust comparisons to their own struggle is considered anti-Semitic in the sense of trivializing the deaths of millions of Jews, not in the sense that it’s directly caricaturing them— like how you could imagine a Black person might take offense if I compared my having to work a desk job I didn’t really like to the Atlantic slave trade, or an Indian might be sort of peeved if I compared having to skip lunch for a meeting one day to the Bengal famine

if you’d prefer you can call it anti-Roma or anti-Slavic or ableist or homophobic or whatever but like… however you slice it, pretty cringe to actually make that and think you’re doing something

[The Reformed American Republic]

Stopped clock he is right on it not being antisemitic. It is engaging in Reductio ad Hitlerum and is comparing Democrats and people advocating vaccinations to Nazis, rather than saying that Nazism is good. So no, not antisemitic, just very idiotic and absurd.

Sorry. Anybody who has had to deal with that symbol be it Jewish or combat are not thinking "Oh Reductio ad Hitlerum"

It's obvious. They're vaccine needles in that image put into that shape. Republicans don't tend to like the vaccine so it is obvious that it is being mocked.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Stopped clock he is right on it not being antisemitic. It is engaging in Reductio ad Hitlerum and is comparing Democrats and people advocating vaccinations to Nazis, rather than saying that Nazism is good. So no, not antisemitic, just very idiotic and absurd.

Antivaxxers drawing Holocaust comparisons to their own struggle is considered anti-Semitic in the sense of trivializing the deaths of millions of Jews, not in the sense that it’s directly caricaturing them— like how you could imagine a Black person might take offense if I compared my having to work a desk job I didn’t really like to the Atlantic slave trade, or an Indian might be sort of peeved if I compared having to skip lunch for a meeting one day to the Bengal famine

Maybe, but the point isn't to promote antisemitism, but rather convey their own deluded alternative to reality. It can be offensive, but it should not be considered anywhere on par with an unironic swastika.

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if you’d prefer you can call it anti-Roma or anti-Slavic or ableist or homophobic or whatever but like… however you slice it, pretty cringe to actually make that and think you’re doing something

It's mostly just idiotic and cringy, not so much bigoted, which was the point I was making. I obviously do not think their struggle is on par with Nazi death camp victims.

[The Black Forrest]

Sorry. Anybody who has had to deal with that symbol be it Jewish or combat are not thinking "Oh Reductio ad Hitlerum"

It's obvious. They're vaccine needles in that image put into that shape. Republicans don't tend to like the vaccine so it is obvious that it is being mocked.

Hmmm. Few are going to agree with you. It's like having something incorporating the Klan hood and arguing it isn't about racism.

Part of using such imagery gets you the labels and in many cases very justified.

[Diahon]

This is not anti-semitic, according to Georgia Senate Republican candidate Herschel Walker

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antisemitic it ain't

at worst, antivaxxers can be accused of losing their sense of proportion -- and much else -- by being in thrall to those who want them agitated till they're dead or incapacitated

that this is a man in power peddling bullshit like this, though...

... another reason why republicans must be removed from power

[Rusozak]

Antivaxxers drawing Holocaust comparisons to their own struggle is considered anti-Semitic in the sense of trivializing the deaths of millions of Jews, not in the sense that it’s directly caricaturing them— like how you could imagine a Black person might take offense if I compared my having to work a desk job I didn’t really like to the Atlantic slave trade, or an Indian might be sort of peeved if I compared having to skip lunch for a meeting one day to the Bengal famine

Maybe, but the point isn't to promote antisemitism, but rather convey their own deluded alternative to reality. It can be offensive, but it should not be considered anywhere on par with an unironic swastika.

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if you’d prefer you can call it anti-Roma or anti-Slavic or ableist or homophobic or whatever but like… however you slice it, pretty cringe to actually make that and think you’re doing something

It's mostly just idiotic and cringy, not so much bigoted, which was the point I was making. I obviously do not think their struggle is on par with Nazi death camp victims.

Well it doesn't help that there's a lot of overlap between antivaxxers and the far right Trumpers, which often includes antisemitism. How much do you want to bet an antivaxxer that agrees with the message of that poster has blamed something on "the jews" at one point or another?

[The Reformed American Republic]

It's obvious. They're vaccine needles in that image put into that shape. Republicans don't tend to like the vaccine so it is obvious that it is being mocked.

Hmmm. Few are going to agree with you. It's like having something incorporating the Klan hood and arguing it isn't about racism.

Part of using such imagery gets you the labels and in many cases very justified.

I don't care how many people agree or disagree with me because the majority isn't always right. Plus, incorporation of things like the Klan hood or the Confederate flag is often done unironically, which is certainly with a racist intent. This on the other hand is deluding oneself or at least his base into thinking that their opponents are like Nazis for wanting them to take the vaccine. A very different (albeit idiotic) usage of the symbol and not only that, you're getting outraged instead of pointing out how stupid it would be to think any of us here are on par with Nazis. It's failure to address the idiotic claim and engaging in fake outrage to boot.