American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Uiiop]

the problem with this theory is that the progressives are the ones trying to keep the entire domestic agenda afloat
the centrist position here is completely irrational

Admitting I am not following this event…..

Are they doing the usual political practice of “all my list has to happen!” ?

They already gave away some things from their list and the mods are dragged their feet on what exactly else they wanted.

[Corrian]

And Schumer's useless ass has also ruined any proper negotiations on keeping to our fucking word by agreeing to Manchin's terms behind the scenes.

Our leaders in the Senate and House are awful, we need new leadership, not the stupid, useless old guard.

[Kowani]

"My way or the highway" is literally what the fuck the Moderates are doing, but you don't care about that, apparently. The MODERATES are the most likely ones to return Republican control to the Senate and House by refusing to get anything constructive done. Again, the progressives are the ones trying to get the full agenda passed. The moderates aren't. The progressives aren't the problem. The moderates can give in (like they have in the House) or get nothing. That was the ORIGINAL DEAL. To have both. Its not the progressives fault the moderates don't stick to their fucking word.

You can't always get everything you want. Sinking the bill will lead to what I described but if that's what you want to happen so be it.

the problem with this theory is that the progressives are the ones trying to keep the entire domestic agenda afloat
the centrist position here is completely irrational

Admitting I am not following this event…..

Are they doing the usual political practice of “all my list has to happen!” ?

a quick rundown of the problem

Biden releases BBB as one giant bill, with social/climate spending and infrastructure
Moderates demand he split it in two parts so they could get bipartisanship
progressives start social reconciliation bill at $6 Trillion over 10 years
Moderates cut it to $3.5 trillion over 10 years
the senate passes a $500 Billion infrastructure bill on a bipartisan basis-but the only reason progressives agreed to this was the understanding that both bills would pass and go to biden at the same time so no group could sink the other
moderates then put a bunch of means-testing and gimmicks into the already-cut reconciliation bill to make it less efficient
on top of this, a small group of the moderates (the Gottheimer 9) then tried to force the house to vote on the infrastructure bill before the senate had any agreement (or at least a public one, thanks to the manchin-schumer deal revealed today) on what reconciliation would look like

the progressives, understandably, don't want to give up their only leverage for getting their things done
hence where we are where we are now

[Corrian]

You can't always get everything you want. Sinking the bill will lead to what I described but if that's what you want to happen so be it.

Admitting I am not following this event…..

Are they doing the usual political practice of “all my list has to happen!” ?

a quick rundown of the problem

Biden releases BBB as one giant bill, with social/climate spending and infrastructure
Moderates demand he split it in two parts so they could get bipartisanship
progressives start social reconciliation bill at $6 Trillion over 10 years
Moderates cut it to $3.5 trillion over 10 years
the senate passes a $500 Billion infrastructure bill on a bipartisan basis-but the only reason progressives agreed to this was the understanding that both bills would pass and go to biden at the same time so no group could sink the other
moderates then put a bunch of means-testing and gimmicks into the already-cut reconciliation bill to make it less efficient
on top of this, a small group of the moderates (the Gottheimer 9) then tried to force the house to vote on the infrastructure bill before the senate had any agreement (or at least a public one, thanks to the manchin-schumer deal revealed today) on what reconciliation would look like

the progressives, understandably, don't want to give up their only leverage for getting their things done
hence where we are where we are now

Mind you, the 500 billion for infrastructure was ALSO a god damn compromise. We need trillions in infrastructure in this country.

[Kowani]

a quick rundown of the problem

Biden releases BBB as one giant bill, with social/climate spending and infrastructure
Moderates demand he split it in two parts so they could get bipartisanship
progressives start social reconciliation bill at $6 Trillion over 10 years
Moderates cut it to $3.5 trillion over 10 years
the senate passes a $500 Billion infrastructure bill on a bipartisan basis-but the only reason progressives agreed to this was the understanding that both bills would pass and go to biden at the same time so no group could sink the other
moderates then put a bunch of means-testing and gimmicks into the already-cut reconciliation bill to make it less efficient
on top of this, a small group of the moderates (the Gottheimer 9) then tried to force the house to vote on the infrastructure bill before the senate had any agreement (or at least a public one, thanks to the manchin-schumer deal revealed today) on what reconciliation would look like

the progressives, understandably, don't want to give up their only leverage for getting their things done
hence where we are where we are now

Mind you, the 500 billion for infrastructure was ALSO a god damn compromise. We need trillions in infrastructure in this country.

also true
case in point, one of the good things the BIF tries to do is remove lead pipes
but because the allotment to lead pipe removal is only is 1/3 of what Biden proposed, most of it will be blown on figuring out where the lead pipes actually are

[Untecna]

What is good about that man? If you are such an "American Patriot Citizen" and "Pro-Trump Conservative", you could tell me something that I am wrong about, no?

Except there is nothing good about Trump. At least not anything relevant to everyone, as I'm sure was stated before.

Fact: There are millions of American Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride and Honor. who strongly agree with me, they are not imaginary Persons as a certain leftist posted too me and a few certain Persons agreed with him on. They are real Persons, American Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor. I strongly respect your Freedom of Speech and Democratic Rights to strongly disagree with me and us. I don't tell any Persons I am right and they are wrong on any issues, world leaders and VIPs. I just strongly and respectfully agree or disagree with them. Peace over and out. GMS.

Kind of late to reply, but reply I will.

Just because people agree with you doesn't mean you are right.

[Kowani]

fuckit
i'll write an effortpost on everything happening in congress that's actually important this week-and a little bit of how we got here
3 weeks of agony, then hell breaks loose

[Deblar]

Fact: There are millions of American Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride and Honor. who strongly agree with me, they are not imaginary Persons as a certain leftist posted too me and a few certain Persons agreed with him on. They are real Persons, American Patriot Citizens of the USA, with Pride and Honor. I strongly respect your Freedom of Speech and Democratic Rights to strongly disagree with me and us. I don't tell any Persons I am right and they are wrong on any issues, world leaders and VIPs. I just strongly and respectfully agree or disagree with them. Peace over and out. GMS.

Kind of late to reply, but reply I will.

Just because people agree with you doesn't mean you are right.

And the church said “amen”

[Corrian]

Mind you, the 500 billion for infrastructure was ALSO a god damn compromise. We need trillions in infrastructure in this country.

also true
case in point, one of the good things the BIF tries to do is remove lead pipes
but because the allotment to lead pipe removal is only is 1/3 of what Biden proposed, most of it will be blown on figuring out where the lead pipes actually are

I know progressives are pushing their own "agenda" but they had a good graph showing what was even gutted with the original infrastructure bill. Which is so dumb because I bet it costs a LOT just to fix our crumbling bridges.

[The Black Forrest]

Mind you, the 500 billion for infrastructure was ALSO a god damn compromise. We need trillions in infrastructure in this country.

also true
case in point, one of the good things the BIF tries to do is remove lead pipes
but because the allotment to lead pipe removal is only is 1/3 of what Biden proposed, most of it will be blown on figuring out where the lead pipes actually are

Unfortunately it doesn’t affect them personally. You are most likely right on the lead pipe issue. It will mainly go to “research” on figuring out a way to locate them.

Water and sewage systems are in desperate need of upgrades. Not sexy so they always get put aside.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Hopefully they do. Moderates aren't the only ones allowed to get their way anymore. Progressives are actually TRYING to fulfill Biden's agenda. The moderates are the ones ruining it. And I can't believe I have to say the progressives are following Biden better than anyone else.

Yes my way or highway and if it sinks his entire agenda and Republicans take back Congress next year oh well. enjoy Speaker McCarthy and Republicans nullifying a Democratic victory in 2024.

Interesting concept.

[Corrian]

Can't wait until we have another bridge collapse because our government can't get anything done.

[The Black Forrest]

Yes my way or highway and if it sinks his entire agenda and Republicans take back Congress next year oh well. enjoy Speaker McCarthy and Republicans nullifying a Democratic victory in 2024.

Interesting concept.

You don’t like like free elections?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Interesting concept.

You don’t like like free elections?

How does that make him not like free elections?

[San Lumen]

You don’t like like free elections?

How does that make him not like free elections?

It should be obvious.

[San Lumen]

Can't wait until we have another bridge collapse because our government can't get anything done.

We could prevent it by passing the infrastructure bill

[The Black Forrest]

You don’t like like free elections?

How does that make him not like free elections?

Nullification of an election result you don’t like kind of suggests you don’t.

I already know he belives the Big Lie is true.

[The Jamesian Republic]

How does that make him not like free elections?

Nullification of an election result you don’t like kind of suggests you don’t.

I already know he belives the Big Lie is true.

Oh that’s what you meant. Yeah that doesn’t sound good.

[Genivaria]

Actually trying to now tell us that we need to work for free.
Stop Expecting to Get Paid for Your Time

[Tarsonis]

Actually trying to now tell us that we need to work for free.
Stop Expecting to Get Paid for Your Time

Yeah, sounds like you didn't read it. Because that's not what they said in the article. It's one of those "use your time for self betterment not watching netflix" articles.

[The Black Forrest]

Actually trying to now tell us that we need to work for free.
Stop Expecting to Get Paid for Your Time

For some reason; I don’t think the author works for free.

It’s fascinating how people with money have all this life improving advice.

I remember a Chinese. billionaire giving a talk on AI at my previous company and basically it’s going to be China’s area. The rest of us don’t have to worry about job loss as there will be tons of jobs in Compassionate Care.

He tried to explain how an 80% or so reduction in salary is actually better for you.

[Genivaria]

Actually trying to now tell us that we need to work for free.
Stop Expecting to Get Paid for Your Time

Yeah, sounds like you didn't read it. Because that's not what they said in the article. It's one of those "use your time for self betterment not watching netflix" articles.

There are many of us who just can’t separate the idea that if we are working, we should be getting paid. We think that if we are using our time to do something, there should be some form of monetary reward.

We often hear ourselves saying things like, “I am not doing that for free,” but we’re not looking at what we’re actually learning or the skills we are gaining from the use of our time. This mindset that our time should always be exchanged for money needs to go. When you start thinking that your time could be exchanged for other things like learning new skills and bettering yourself, you’ll start seeing the rewards it brings to your life (which, hey, will lead to more money at some point).

No don't don't say exactly those words but they're basically talking about unpaid internship and learning 'skills'.
Rich asshole giving me advise about my budget because they can't imagine the vast majority of their income going straight to food and shelter.

[Antipatros]

If the House Republicans wanted to kill the reconciliation bill, you'd think that McCarthy would tell his members to vote for the bipartisan package.

It looks like they want to kill both bills, with the help of progressives.

[Hispida]

Actually trying to now tell us that we need to work for free.
Stop Expecting to Get Paid for Your Time

i thought we already did

[Antipatros]

If the House Republicans wanted to kill the reconciliation bill, you'd think that McCarthy would tell his members to vote for the bipartisan package.

It looks like they want to kill both bills, with the help of progressives.

I guess the other possibilities is they force the Democrats to go it alone, then roll out the "say no to socialism" ads.