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Who do you think will win the Virginia Gubernatorial Race?

Terry McAuliffe(D)
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Glenn Youngkin(R)
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Total votes : 100

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The Temple of the Computer
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Postby The Temple of the Computer » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:35 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Return West Virginia to Virginia

This, unironically. West Virginia's statehood is completely unconstitutional. It's admission to the Union violated Article IV, Section III, Clause I.

Was Virginia v. West Virginia a supreme court case exactly about this?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:40 pm

The Temple of the Computer wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:This, unironically. West Virginia's statehood is completely unconstitutional. It's admission to the Union violated Article IV, Section III, Clause I.

Was Virginia v. West Virginia a supreme court case exactly about this?

Yes

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Postby Antipatros » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:09 pm

Bit of a new dump

U.S. House panel probing Jan. 6 Capitol riot issues 11 subpoenas
WASHINGTON, Sept 29 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee has issued 11 subpoenas in its investigation of Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol, the panel said in a statement on Wednesday.


U.S. House panel approves three bills aimed at tackling high drug prices
WASHINGTON, Sept 29 (Reuters) - The U.S. House Judiciary Committee voted on Wednesday to approve three bills to stop practices drugmakers use to raise prices and fend off competition, including a bill to ban the tactic of paying generic companies to delay bringing cheaper versions of their medicines to market.


Democrats weigh first nationwide fee on plastic in U.S. budget negotiations
WASHINGTON, Sept 29 (Reuters) - U.S. congressional Democrats are considering including the first federal fee to tackle plastic pollution in the multitrillion-dollar reconciliation bill, a proposal that is drawing opposition from the plastics and petrochemical industry.


Biden 'deeply engaged' in negotiations with lawmakers-White House
WASHINGTON, Sept 28 (Reuters) - White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters on Tuesday that U.S. President Joe Biden is deeply engaged in negotiations over spending legislation that he is trying to get through the U.S. Congress.

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Postby Comerciante » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:37 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Return West Virginia to Virginia

This, unironically. West Virginia's statehood is completely unconstitutional. It's admission to the Union violated Article IV, Section III, Clause I.

Maybe Virginia should have thought of that before trying to secede.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:38 pm

Comerciante wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:This, unironically. West Virginia's statehood is completely unconstitutional. It's admission to the Union violated Article IV, Section III, Clause I.

Maybe Virginia should have thought of that before trying to secede.

I do honestly find it pretty ironic the whole switch in terms of which Virginia is the “better” one :p

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Postby Jeriga » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:40 pm

Ugh... GMS is back? Why.
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Postby Jeriga » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:41 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Return West Virginia to Virginia

This, unironically. West Virginia's statehood is completely unconstitutional. It's admission to the Union violated Article IV, Section III, Clause I.

Yes please return west Virginia to Virginia. Get rid of 2 senators
I'd be a real socialist if I thought it could actually work.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:18 pm

Jeriga wrote:Ugh... GMS is back? Why.

The same thing you are doing and we are all doing, expressing our political views. You are anti Republicans and anti Trump and I am Pro Republicans and Pro Trump, it is called Freedom of Speech and Democracy. GMS.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:44 pm

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:50 pm

Kowani wrote:More political violence

Arson investigators are searching for a man who placed a molotov cocktail and a "threatening note" inside the Travis County Democratic Party headquarters in Downtown Austin in the early morning hours Wednesday.

A small fire broke out just after 2:15 a.m. at the headquarters located at 1311 E. Sixth St., and employees in the neighboring businesses called 911 and put out the flames with a fire hydrant. Brandon Jennings, an arson investigator at the Austin Fire Department, said at a press conference later in the morning that video from the surveillance cameras showed a man mulling around the building before he threw what appeared to be a rock at the window on the front door. The man is then reportedly seen coming back into view with a Molotov cocktail that he placed inside the door. Jennings said it's also believed that he put a commercial smoke bomb inside the door.

The building had minor damage, and no staff was inside the building when the fire happened.

When asked if the Molotov cocktail could have destroyed the building, the fire investigator said, "absolutely." Katie Naranjo, the Travis County Democratic Party chair, spoke at the press conference. She said the man left a threatening note that was "political in nature."

The man was described as wearing a gray shirt with black shorts, black and gray tennis shoes with a flag bandana on his head. He was wearing a mask.


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:06 pm

Jeriga wrote:Ugh... GMS is back? Why.

Oof, for a second there I thought he made yet another puppet to get around people blocking him. GMS puppets outnumber the rest of my foe list in total. It's fucking ridiculous.
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Postby Maricarland » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:16 pm

Who else thinks that DoorDash should be nationalized and put under the control of the United States Postal Service?

This way we don't have a middle man trying to make profit off of customers, businesses, and drivers. Customers and businesses can be assured that prices are not inflated by Door Dash keeping prices relatively lower and competitive, and drivers can be assured a decent pay (and since most people can sign up to be drivers, this could even serve as a semi, partial, or pseudo job guarantee, since we apparently are unwilling to establish a true job guarantee). We could also use this service as a way to provide healthy meals to people whom are elderly or disabled, or groceries for people in general during lockdowns due to pandemics or other emergencies.
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Postby Maricarland » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:18 pm

Also, who else is positively giddy about the fact that the Arizona State Democratic Party is subjecting Sienna to a vote of no confidence (basically ending her career as an Arizona Democratic politician after her current term is up).
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:19 pm

Maricarland wrote:Who else thinks that DoorDash should be nationalized and put under the control of the United States Postal Service?

This way we don't have a middle man trying to make profit off of customers, businesses, and drivers. Customers and businesses can be assured that prices are not inflated by Door Dash keeping prices relatively lower and competitive, and drivers can be assured a decent pay (and since most people can sign up to be drivers, this could even serve as a semi, partial, or pseudo job guarantee, since we apparently are unwilling to establish a true job guarantee). We could also use this service as a way to provide healthy meals to people whom are elderly or disabled, or groceries for people in general during lockdowns due to pandemics or other emergencies.

Yeah, but then someone would come along with the big brain idea of making them pay their pensions a 100 years in advance or something and then go, "Look how broken the DoorDash system is!!!"
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:20 pm

Why Doordash, but not any of its competitors?

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Postby Maricarland » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:20 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Maricarland wrote:Who else thinks that DoorDash should be nationalized and put under the control of the United States Postal Service?

This way we don't have a middle man trying to make profit off of customers, businesses, and drivers. Customers and businesses can be assured that prices are not inflated by Door Dash keeping prices relatively lower and competitive, and drivers can be assured a decent pay (and since most people can sign up to be drivers, this could even serve as a semi, partial, or pseudo job guarantee, since we apparently are unwilling to establish a true job guarantee). We could also use this service as a way to provide healthy meals to people whom are elderly or disabled, or groceries for people in general during lockdowns due to pandemics or other emergencies.

Yeah, but then someone would come along with the big brain idea of making them pay their pensions a 100 years in advance or something and then go, "Look how broken the DoorDash system is!!!"


That is a depressing thought, and unfortunately very likely. In the U.S. we have a number of elected official responsible for governing the country, whom are opposed to governing the country or any semblance of functional government or democracy.
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Postby Maricarland » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:20 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Why Doordash, but not any of its competitors?


How about all of them? I just picked DoorDash, because it has the largest market share at 56%.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:23 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:24 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Why Doordash, but not any of its competitors?


How about all of them? I just picked DoorDash, because it has the largest market share at 56%.

Okay, so why does the government need to have an interest in general food delivery - their combined customer base still doesn’t sound like it approachs a significant fraction & the cited potential for say pandemic delivery doesn’t require nationalizing the whole company/industry.

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Postby Maricarland » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:28 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
How about all of them? I just picked DoorDash, because it has the largest market share at 56%.

Okay, so why does the government need to have an interest in general food delivery - their combined customer base still doesn’t sound like it approachs a significant fraction & the cited potential for say pandemic delivery doesn’t require nationalizing the whole company/industry.


Because the way food delivery works right now inflates the price of food, and food is essential to the survival of living things, including people (and the government should work for the people, but even if they don't care about the people they should at least care to keep the peace - hungry people = revolutions), so it is in their interest to keep food prices low. Some people may also have difficulty getting food without assistance (particularly some of the elderly and some disabled people), and many people live in food deserts. If the government does not wish to nationalize an existing food delivery service, they can at least create their own public competitor (just like how the USPS is a public competitor to UPS and FedEx and so on...).
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:31 pm

Maricarland wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Okay, so why does the government need to have an interest in general food delivery - their combined customer base still doesn’t sound like it approachs a significant fraction & the cited potential for say pandemic delivery doesn’t require nationalizing the whole company/industry.


Because the way food delivery works right now inflates the price of food, and food is essential to the survival of living things, including people (and the government should work for the people, but even if they don't care about the people they should at least care to keep the peace - hungry people = revolutions), so it is in their interest to keep food prices low. Some people may also have difficulty getting food without assistance (particularly some of the elderly and some disabled people), and many people live in food deserts. If the government does not wish to nationalize an existing food delivery service, they can at least create their own public competitor (just like how the USPS is a public competitor to UPS and FedEx and so on...).


Door Dash isn't a necessity. It's a convenience. Taco Bell isn't part of a nutritionally balanced diet.

Also, the elderly and disabled make poor revolutionaries typically speaking, while the able bodied are more than capable of getting food without door dash.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:17 pm

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 914924001/

Wisconsin GOP lawmakers want superintendent, treasurer and secretary of state appointed, not elected.

In other words we lost so we want it to be appointed therefore if we lose the Governorship we can refuse to vote on the nominee.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:34 pm

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:35 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Maricarland wrote:
Because the way food delivery works right now inflates the price of food, and food is essential to the survival of living things, including people (and the government should work for the people, but even if they don't care about the people they should at least care to keep the peace - hungry people = revolutions), so it is in their interest to keep food prices low. Some people may also have difficulty getting food without assistance (particularly some of the elderly and some disabled people), and many people live in food deserts. If the government does not wish to nationalize an existing food delivery service, they can at least create their own public competitor (just like how the USPS is a public competitor to UPS and FedEx and so on...).


Door Dash isn't a necessity. It's a convenience. Taco Bell isn't part of a nutritionally balanced diet.

Also, the elderly and disabled make poor revolutionaries typically speaking, while the able bodied are more than capable of getting food without door dash.


I don't think they mean Uber eats, but rather bean pod. Some people can't go to the grocery store and rely on services to bring their food to them.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:13 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Door Dash isn't a necessity. It's a convenience. Taco Bell isn't part of a nutritionally balanced diet.

Also, the elderly and disabled make poor revolutionaries typically speaking, while the able bodied are more than capable of getting food without door dash.


I don't think they mean Uber eats, but rather bean pod. Some people can't go to the grocery store and rely on services to bring their food to them.

Uber Eats also does grocery delivery. So does Doordash. Uber bought Postmates. I don't know what's going at Grub Hub, which is sad because they were doing this before it was cool. I remember getting Grub Hub deliveries when I was in San Francisco and that was forever ago.
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