American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Immortan Khan]

Well, 1) The filibuster doesn't actually prevent that, because the Democrats are unwilling to use it effectively. (e.g,, the survival of Obamacare hinged on McCain's vote, not a Democratic filibuster.)

2) The Republicans have shown willingness to trim back the filibuster when they need to in order to push through parts of their agenda. (e.g. stacking the courts)

Keep in mind that the GOP only did that after the democrats previously removed the filibuster for all judicial appointees outside of SCOTUS. Then the GOP did the final straw.

^This. They were even warned that doing so would probably lead to the GOP just axing it for SCOTUS appointments if given the chance and sure enough.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... ion-ban-to


Fifty-four percent of Americans said they disagree with a recent Supreme Court ruling that allowed a six-week abortion ban in Texas to take effect while legal challenges play out in lower courts, according to a poll released Monday.

The survey by Monmouth University also found that broad majorities of Americans oppose key components of the Texas law, with seven in 10 saying they disapprove of a mechanism that empowers private citizens to enforce the abortion ban through civil lawsuits.

An even larger number, roughly eight in 10, expressed disapproval that the law provides $10,000 when those lawsuits succeed against someone who performs an abortion or aids a woman receiving one in violation of the six-week ban — an award critics have likened to a bounty.

[Ifreann]

'bad faith' Because your behavior is called out. Right.

You didn't call out behavior, you made a baseless ad hominem. You made a bad faith posts to carry the water for Ifrean's bad faith posting. It's typical.

Democrats are shit too, but if you need me to say that before you'll give any real response to my points then it's probably not worth it.

I gave responses to your points, but you doubled down on the line that all Republicans are, essentially, bad faith actors. Never mind the ridiculous partisanship to the point of being false on its face, it's incredibly telling of the real agenda. You didn't engage with merits of the poster's argument, you just called him a disingenuous Republican because he has a thin blue line flag. It's a bullshit take, and you should know better.

I'm talking about Republicans because that's relevant to the post I was initially responding too, but this is true of everyone. No one with any sense tells their opponents how to beat them, not in any kind of contest they actually care about winning. If the other football team tells you not to make a certain play because they'll reverse it and score, don't trust them.

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When the republicans win, everyone's gonna be like: NOOOOOOOOO BRING BACK THE FILIBUSTER!!!!!!!!

Which is why we should reform the filibuster back to just talking

I don't know why people think this would accomplish anything. Politicians would love the chance to pull some Mr. Smith Goes To Washington shit.

[Thermodolia]

Do other nations have the equivalent of our Senate's filibuster?

If so, is it used as judiciously as it is here? If not, how does that impact their ability to govern?

Yes other nations do have a filibuster. The UK, where the idea came from, has a talking only filibuster that as soon as they stop talking it’s over

[Thermodolia]

I gave Manchin that award too soon

I fucking hate my senator

[Thermodolia]

I think they are going to overturn Roe but tailor it in such a way as to allow states to decide.

Highly unlikely. They won’t overturn it, they’ll undercut it some more

[San Lumen]

I gave Manchin that award too soon

I fucking hate my senator

I really hope she gets a primary. she seems determined to stall just about anything.

[Immortan Khan]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/573024-majority-opposes-supreme-court-allowing-texas-6-week-abortion-ban-to


Fifty-four percent of Americans said they disagree with a recent Supreme Court ruling that allowed a six-week abortion ban in Texas to take effect while legal challenges play out in lower courts, according to a poll released Monday.

The survey by Monmouth University also found that broad majorities of Americans oppose key components of the Texas law, with seven in 10 saying they disapprove of a mechanism that empowers private citizens to enforce the abortion ban through civil lawsuits.

An even larger number, roughly eight in 10, expressed disapproval that the law provides $10,000 when those lawsuits succeed against someone who performs an abortion or aids a woman receiving one in violation of the six-week ban — an award critics have likened to a bounty.

Is this supposed to mean anything?

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/573024-majority-opposes-supreme-court-allowing-texas-6-week-abortion-ban-to


Fifty-four percent of Americans said they disagree with a recent Supreme Court ruling that allowed a six-week abortion ban in Texas to take effect while legal challenges play out in lower courts, according to a poll released Monday.

The survey by Monmouth University also found that broad majorities of Americans oppose key components of the Texas law, with seven in 10 saying they disapprove of a mechanism that empowers private citizens to enforce the abortion ban through civil lawsuits.

An even larger number, roughly eight in 10, expressed disapproval that the law provides $10,000 when those lawsuits succeed against someone who performs an abortion or aids a woman receiving one in violation of the six-week ban — an award critics have likened to a bounty.

Is this supposed to mean anything?

Yes it shows that Republicans are out of step with public opinion on this and continuing down this path risks turning off voters especially women.

[Thermodolia]

Which is why we should reform the filibuster back to just talking

I don't know why people think this would accomplish anything. Politicians would love the chance to pull some Mr. Smith Goes To Washington shit.

Politicians have to stop talking at some point. They aren’t robots. And if they can’t pass off the filibuster the moment they stop talking for longer than a breath or a drink so 30 seconds it’s over.

[Diahon]

Update on the Haitian refugees: They got expelled

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[Immortan Khan]

Is this supposed to mean anything?

Yes it shows that Republicans are out of step with public opinion on this and continuing down this path risks turning off voters especially women.

Is it out of step in Republican areas? Further just because the public supports something doesn't mean they are automatically correct.

[Genivaria]

Update on the Haitian refugees: They got expelled

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fucking
SHIT
FUCKING
FUCK

The Texas state government has been a vile organization for awhile.

[San Lumen]

Yes it shows that Republicans are out of step with public opinion on this and continuing down this path risks turning off voters especially women.

Is it out of step in Republican areas? Further just because the public supports something doesn't mean they are automatically correct.

It depends. You turn off enough people and anything can happen.

[Ifreann]

I don't know why people think this would accomplish anything. Politicians would love the chance to pull some Mr. Smith Goes To Washington shit.

Politicians have to stop talking at some point. They aren’t robots. And if they can’t pass off the filibuster the moment they stop talking for longer than a breath or a drink so 30 seconds it’s over.

Enjoy watching Ted Cruz fill an adult diaper on the Senate floor so he can get re-elected.

[Thermodolia]

and
fucking
SHIT
FUCKING
FUCK

The Texas state government has been a vile organization for awhile.

That wasn’t Texas. This was the work of the feds

[Thermodolia]

Yes it shows that Republicans are out of step with public opinion on this and continuing down this path risks turning off voters especially women.

Is it out of step in Republican areas? Further just because the public supports something doesn't mean they are automatically correct.

I’ve seen a good bit of suburban women get turned off of republicans because of it. But the more rural you go the more support these measures have.

[Deblar]

The Texas state government has been a vile organization for awhile.

That wasn’t Texas. This was the work of the feds

Jesus Christ, it’s like Biden’s trying to get bad PR

[Thermodolia]

Politicians have to stop talking at some point. They aren’t robots. And if they can’t pass off the filibuster the moment they stop talking for longer than a breath or a drink so 30 seconds it’s over.

Enjoy watching Ted Cruz fill an adult diaper on the Senate floor so he can get re-elected.

He already read Green Eggs and Ham so…

[Diahon]

The Texas state government has been a vile organization for awhile.

That wasn’t Texas. This was the work of the feds

unfuckinfortunately

it wasn't as if there isn't enough supplies of the vaccines or border patrol personnel to go around

what's the basis of this expulsion, anyway? do haitians have the tendency to rapidly and randomly transmogrify into papa or baby doc?

[San Lumen]

Is it out of step in Republican areas? Further just because the public supports something doesn't mean they are automatically correct.

I’ve seen a good bit of suburban women get turned off of republicans because of it. But the more rural you go the more support these measures have.

This is true but if Republicans continue to lose suburban voters they will find themselves out of power in many states soon.

[Thermodolia]

I’ve seen a good bit of suburban women get turned off of republicans because of it. But the more rural you go the more support these measures have.

This is true but if Republicans continue to lose suburban voters they will find themselves out of power in many states soon.

It’s almost the case in Arizona and Georgia.

[San Lumen]

This is true but if Republicans continue to lose suburban voters they will find themselves out of power in many states soon.

It’s almost the case in Arizona and Georgia.

Hence why they passed the voter suppression bills. There are terrified of losing power and would rather cheat then win a free and fair election.

[Thermodolia]

It’s almost the case in Arizona and Georgia.

Hence why they passed the voter suppression bills. There are terrified of losing power and would rather cheat then win a free and fair election.

I don’t remember AZ passing one. So apparently we passed three and they are pretty tame compared to Georgia’s. The good news is that unlike Georgia people in AZ can challenge a law through a referendum.

Which has happened and they seek to get on the ballot in 2022

[Immortan Khan]

Is it out of step in Republican areas? Further just because the public supports something doesn't mean they are automatically correct.

I’ve seen a good bit of suburban women get turned off of republicans because of it. But the more rural you go the more support these measures have.

Okay but the views of suburban people in general tends to be trash so we can discard their opinions. Disenfranchise the suburbs (except any that I may be living in, those ones get an exception).