American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Proctopeo]

Has this been posted yet? Say what you want about the January 6th incident or its participants, this shit is inexcusable. Unless, of course, you're somehow in favor of inhumane prison conditions and jailer brutality.

Sandlin said one of the guards declared, “I hate all white people and your honky religion.”

Press x to doubt.

Doesn't seem all that unbelievable to me. Racists of any variety say pretty stupid, blunt shit.

Despite my skepticism, I will say that if those claims are substantiated, whoever was involved with that should lose their job at a minimum or perhaps even face criminal prosecution.

Well, the injuries should be pretty easy to substantiate.

[Antipatros]

Press x to doubt.

Doesn't seem all that unbelievable to me. Racists of any variety say pretty stupid, blunt shit.

Despite my skepticism, I will say that if those claims are substantiated, whoever was involved with that should lose their job at a minimum or perhaps even face criminal prosecution.

Well, the injuries should be pretty easy to substantiate.

To me, it sounds like something that a 1/6 insurrectionist would make up.

[San Lumen]

I can’t see them doing that. They would be so wildly out of step with public opinion the court would lose all legitimacy.

Let's say they overturn all of them, the consequences for SCOTUS would be...what exactly?

Not sure what they would be for the court but there would almost certainly be tremendous backlash as it would be completely out of step with public opinion.

[Proctopeo]

Doesn't seem all that unbelievable to me. Racists of any variety say pretty stupid, blunt shit.


Well, the injuries should be pretty easy to substantiate.

To me, it sounds like something that a 1/6 insurrectionist would make up.

It feels similar to what could be said to a Muslim by someone who hates them. What would you consider a "real" declaration of hate? "Verily, thine beast of ivory skin! Your kin and your beastly faith must be purged from this Earth with fire and brimstone henceforth!"?

[Vassenor]

If the evidence corroborates it, then heads should roll.

So what corroborating evidence do we have so far?

[Antipatros]

To me, it sounds like something that a 1/6 insurrectionist would make up.

It feels similar to what could be said to a Muslim by someone who hates them. What would you consider a "real" declaration of hate? "Verily, thine beast of ivory skin! Your kin and your beastly faith must be purged from this Earth with fire and brimstone henceforth!"?

We'll see how things pan out.

I personally think that it's disgusting that there are so many people running defense for these traitors. They are not victims or political prisoners. These attacks on our democracy should not be whitewashed.

[Forsher]

Let's say they overturn all of them, the consequences for SCOTUS would be...what exactly?

Lots of cover for the Democrats to extend the size of SCOTUS to 13 or 15 next time they can, or to significantly nerf their power (since Constitution leaves lot of control to Congress on what exactly SCOTUS can do). Or even do a "SCOTUS have made their ruling, now let them enforce it" and start ignoring it, triggering a major constitutional crisis with no clear outcome.

If they don't believe you'd do it, it doesn't matter if you actually would.

At this point, no one in their right mind should believe this is actually something the Democrats would do.

[Proctopeo]

If the evidence corroborates it, then heads should roll.

So what corroborating evidence do we have so far?

It's considered credible enough by the Department of Justice for them to investigate it; the FBI possibly is, too. And a spokesperson for the DC prison system is running damage control. Combined, these suggest there's something there, though we'll have to see what comes from the investigation(s).

I'm not sure if there's images of the injuries sustained online yet, but they'd make for good, albeit morbid, corroborative evidence.

It feels similar to what could be said to a Muslim by someone who hates them. What would you consider a "real" declaration of hate? "Verily, thine beast of ivory skin! Your kin and your beastly faith must be purged from this Earth with fire and brimstone henceforth!"?

We'll see how things pan out.

I personally think that it's disgusting that there are so many people running defense for these traitors. They are not victims or political prisoners. These attacks on our democracy should not be whitewashed.

Even people possibly guilty of severe crimes shouldn't be subject to brutality and inhumane conditions. Assuming the accusations of violence true (which seems likely tbh) they're definitely victims of something, and deserve someone to "run defense" for them. Do you support the torture of people detained in Guantanamo Bay?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Doesn't seem all that unbelievable to me. Racists of any variety say pretty stupid, blunt shit.


Well, the injuries should be pretty easy to substantiate.

To me, it sounds like something that a 1/6 insurrectionist would make up.

I'm on the fence, but it's true we cannot blindly believe a capital rioter. My mind is open though.

[Antipatros]

If the evidence corroborates it, then heads should roll.

So what corroborating evidence do we have so far?

It's considered credible enough by the Department of Justice for them to investigate it; the FBI possibly is, too. And a spokesperson for the DC prison system is running damage control. Combined, these suggest there's something there, though we'll have to see what comes from the investigation(s).

I'm not sure if there's images of the injuries sustained online yet, but they'd make for good, albeit morbid, corroborative evidence.

We'll see how things pan out.

I personally think that it's disgusting that there are so many people running defense for these traitors. They are not victims or political prisoners. These attacks on our democracy should not be whitewashed.

Even people possibly guilty of severe crimes shouldn't be subject to brutality and inhumane conditions. Assuming the accusations of violence true (which seems likely tbh) they're definitely victims of something, and deserve someone to "run defense" for them. Do you support the torture of people detained in Guantanamo Bay?

I don't support torture, period.

At the same time, without strong evidence to the contrary, I don't believe a word out of the mouth of anyone who tried to break into the Capitol on 1/6.

[Proctopeo]

To me, it sounds like something that a 1/6 insurrectionist would make up.

I'm on the fence, but it's true we cannot blindly believe a capital rioter. My mind is open though.

We shouldn't blindly believe them, but we shouldn't be quick to dismiss accusations of brutality in prisons.

It's considered credible enough by the Department of Justice for them to investigate it; the FBI possibly is, too. And a spokesperson for the DC prison system is running damage control. Combined, these suggest there's something there, though we'll have to see what comes from the investigation(s).

I'm not sure if there's images of the injuries sustained online yet, but they'd make for good, albeit morbid, corroborative evidence.


Even people possibly guilty of severe crimes shouldn't be subject to brutality and inhumane conditions. Assuming the accusations of violence true (which seems likely tbh) they're definitely victims of something, and deserve someone to "run defense" for them. Do you support the torture of people detained in Guantanamo Bay?

I don't support torture, period.

At the same time, without strong evidence to the contrary, I don't believe a word out of the mouth of anyone who tried to break into the Capitol on 1/6.

Clearly, your blind skepticism isn't shared by the justice system. Though there's a risk of it getting swept under the rug, as did happen with Epstein's mysterious "suicide".

[Gravlen]

Has this been posted yet? Say what you want about the January 6th incident or its participants, this shit is inexcusable. Unless, of course, you're somehow in favor of inhumane prison conditions and jailer brutality.

In an unusual direct plea to the judge, Sandlin said another Capitol riot defendant, Ryan Samsel, “was severely beaten by correctional officers, [is now] blind in one eye, has a skull fracture and detached retina.”

But previous court precedent has never determined that this specific combination of injuries was unconstitutionally inflicted. In Fillintheblank the victim was blind in both eyes after the beating. Hence, qualified immunity.

As the GOP says, "qualified immunity protects law enforcement heroes from frivolous civil lawsuits"

[Antipatros]

It's considered credible enough by the Department of Justice for them to investigate it; the FBI possibly is, too. And a spokesperson for the DC prison system is running damage control. Combined, these suggest there's something there, though we'll have to see what comes from the investigation(s).

I'm not sure if there's images of the injuries sustained online yet, but they'd make for good, albeit morbid, corroborative evidence.


Even people possibly guilty of severe crimes shouldn't be subject to brutality and inhumane conditions. Assuming the accusations of violence true (which seems likely tbh) they're definitely victims of something, and deserve someone to "run defense" for them. Do you support the torture of people detained in Guantanamo Bay?

I don't support torture, period.

At the same time, without strong evidence to the contrary, I don't believe a word out of the mouth of anyone who tried to break into the Capitol on 1/6.

And when I say "running defense", I'm referring to all of the (mostly conservative) pundits and politicians who are engaging in historical revisionism and trying to downplay 1/6.

[Proctopeo]

Has this been posted yet? Say what you want about the January 6th incident or its participants, this shit is inexcusable. Unless, of course, you're somehow in favor of inhumane prison conditions and jailer brutality.

In an unusual direct plea to the judge, Sandlin said another Capitol riot defendant, Ryan Samsel, “was severely beaten by correctional officers, [is now] blind in one eye, has a skull fracture and detached retina.”

But previous court precedent has never determined that this specific combination of injuries was unconstitutionally inflicted. In Fillintheblank the victim was blind in both eyes after the beating. Hence, qualified immunity.

As the GOP says, "qualified immunity protects law enforcement heroes from frivolous civil lawsuits"

Nice to see that you're digging for a totally unrelated "gotcha" instead of holding even a modicum of concern for inhumane prison conditions or extrajudicial violence. Tell me, why are you in favor of both of those things? Is your capacity for basic morality or empathy so absent that you can only try to find out how something could possibly benefit you in a hypothetical argument nobody is currently having?

I don't support torture, period.

At the same time, without strong evidence to the contrary, I don't believe a word out of the mouth of anyone who tried to break into the Capitol on 1/6.

And when I say "running defense", I'm referring to all of the (mostly conservative) pundits and politicians who are engaging in historical revisionism and trying to downplay 1/6.

I hear it was a 9/11 of Hitlers.

[Antipatros]

I hear it was a 9/11 of Hitlers.

Who'd you hear that from? Someone on the forum, or what?

[Antipatros]

Clearly, your blind skepticism isn't shared by the justice system. Though there's a risk of it getting swept under the rug, as did happen with Epstein's mysterious "suicide".

The much more likely outcome is that the Capitol riots get swept under the rug, and then these so-called patriots try the same shit again the next time they lose.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I'm on the fence, but it's true we cannot blindly believe a capital rioter. My mind is open though.

We shouldn't blindly believe them, but we shouldn't be quick to dismiss accusations of brutality in prisons.

I don't support torture, period.

At the same time, without strong evidence to the contrary, I don't believe a word out of the mouth of anyone who tried to break into the Capitol on 1/6.

Clearly, your blind skepticism isn't shared by the justice system. Though there's a risk of it getting swept under the rug, as did happen with Epstein's mysterious "suicide".

And I'm not doing either; that being said, I'm probably going to need more evidence, though I don't trust the DC city government.

[San Lumen]

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/ ... a1d3ab6090


A Republican candidate for the Virginia House of Delegates has apologized after tweeting a derogatory comment about the appearance of House Speaker Eileen Filler-Corn that some Democrats said was an antisemitic attack.

“I was surprised to see a pair of eyes and a mouth with that NOSE,” Copeland tweeted about Filler-Corn, who is Jewish

[Proctopeo]

I hear it was a 9/11 of Hitlers.

Who'd you hear that from? Someone on the forum, or what?

It's an exaggerated joke based off how some people are claiming the kerfuffle was "worse than 9/11".

Clearly, your blind skepticism isn't shared by the justice system. Though there's a risk of it getting swept under the rug, as did happen with Epstein's mysterious "suicide".

The much more likely outcome is that the Capitol riots get swept under the rug, and then these so-called patriots try the same shit again the next time they lose.

Why would the riots get swept under the rug? It's perfect fodder for political campaigns and even openly authoritarian legislation (much like how 9/11 was used to justify the bullshit that is the PATRIOT act). It's also much easier to sweep prison brutality under the rug, and arguably even more politically advantageous! Think, Antipatros, think!

We shouldn't blindly believe them, but we shouldn't be quick to dismiss accusations of brutality in prisons.


Clearly, your blind skepticism isn't shared by the justice system. Though there's a risk of it getting swept under the rug, as did happen with Epstein's mysterious "suicide".

And I'm not doing either; that being said, I'm probably going to need more evidence, though I don't trust the DC city government.

There's probably more evidence that's not available to the public tbh

[Antipatros]

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/politics/virginia-house-candidate-blasted-tweet/291-023fb29d-8830-4866-8baf-1ca1d3ab6090


A Republican candidate for the Virginia House of Delegates has apologized after tweeting a derogatory comment about the appearance of House Speaker Eileen Filler-Corn that some Democrats said was an antisemitic attack.

“I was surprised to see a pair of eyes and a mouth with that NOSE,” Copeland tweeted about Filler-Corn, who is Jewish

Kinda looks like he's going to get destroyed in the election regardless. That district is strongly Democratic.

[San Lumen]

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/politics/virginia-house-candidate-blasted-tweet/291-023fb29d-8830-4866-8baf-1ca1d3ab6090


A Republican candidate for the Virginia House of Delegates has apologized after tweeting a derogatory comment about the appearance of House Speaker Eileen Filler-Corn that some Democrats said was an antisemitic attack.

“I was surprised to see a pair of eyes and a mouth with that NOSE,” Copeland tweeted about Filler-Corn, who is Jewish

Kinda looks like he's going to get destroyed in the election regardless. That district is strongly Democratic.

Yeah no way he wins. Norfolk is a Democratic stronghold. It hasn’t voted for a Republican for president since 1972.

[Antipatros]

It's an exaggerated joke based off how some people are claiming the kerfuffle was "worse than 9/11".

Welp, I never claimed that. Our country was humiliated and the Capitol was desecrated on 1/6, but 3,000 people didn't get killed.

Why would the riots get swept under the rug? It's perfect fodder for political campaigns and even openly authoritarian legislation (much like how 9/11 was used to justify the bullshit that is the PATRIOT act). It's also much easier to sweep prison brutality under the rug, and arguably even more politically advantageous! Think, Antipatros, think!

You'll see partisan fights around the Capitol riots, but we will not come to grips with it as a country like we should. The Republicans should have taken 1/6 as a sign that they need to do some soul searching and pivot away from Trumpism, but they totally failed that moral test. That's because most politicians are spineless cowards who are deathly afraid of getting primaried.

[Proctopeo]

It's an exaggerated joke based off how some people are claiming the kerfuffle was "worse than 9/11".

Welp, I never claimed that. Our country was humiliated and the Capitol was desecrated on 1/6, but 3,000 people didn't get killed.

Several have, however. And I suspect many in this thread would agree with such hyperbole.

Why would the riots get swept under the rug? It's perfect fodder for political campaigns and even openly authoritarian legislation (much like how 9/11 was used to justify the bullshit that is the PATRIOT act). It's also much easier to sweep prison brutality under the rug, and arguably even more politically advantageous! Think, Antipatros, think!

You'll see partisan fights around the Capitol riots, but we will not come to grips with it as a country like we should. The Republicans should have taken 1/6 as a sign that they need to do some soul searching and pivot away from Trumpism, but they totally failed. That's because most politicians are spineless cowards who are deathly afraid of getting primaried.

Well, for starters, nobody can agree on much about it except that something happened on January 6th. Ultimately, all of this - including politicians being spineless - is the product of hyperpartisanship. Which is a whole other story.

[San Lumen]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/18/politics ... index.html

Rep. Lee Zeldin announces he was diagnosed with leukemia last fall and is in remission

[Kowani]

And you thought the audits were over

Pennsylvania Senate Republicans voted Wednesday to subpoena vast troves of personal information about millions of voters, including partial Social Security numbers, as they engage with false conspiracies about the 2020 election.

yeah they've been sued