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Who do you think will win the Virginia Gubernatorial Race?

Terry McAuliffe(D)
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57%
Glenn Youngkin(R)
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:41 pm

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:41 pm

Didn't expect New Jersey to be this close. Of course Murphy wins but damn.

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Postby Diahon » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:41 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:One good thing I'm seeing out of this is a lot of the Republicans are saying in response to this is "This is why we don't need Trump, we can fight without him" so arguably that's a good thing.

ah, yes, if you really squint hard at that glass, then it's around a percent full! glug harder!
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:43 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:One good thing I'm seeing out of this is a lot of the Republicans are saying in response to this is "This is why we don't need Trump, we can fight without him" so arguably that's a good thing.


Is it? He seemed to do a tap dance to keep ahold of the trump followers.

That endorsement may have a price tag.

You mean the thing that had the entire media use simply as a method of attack that apparently didn't work?
That's part of the problem, if the only strategy the Democrats have is to forever go "JAN 6 COVID DEATHS, TRUMP" Those things eventually lose traction, just like how "INFLATION, AFGAHNISTAN BIDEN BAD" stuff will also wear off and lose traction as well on the right.

Youngkin actually played a balancing act between taking Nods from Trumpland while trying not to completely fall in. But he's going to have to keep that balance act going from this point on.


Also, the Democrats are going to need to have a better strategy than screaming Trump at the top of their lungs for eternity, like delivering on promises, ultimately if Youngkin won it's because the Democrats haven't delivered and like I said before, let's hope this convinces Democrats that it's time to deliver.

If they deliver, I think the pain in the midterms will be weakened if not possibly reversed.

Unfortunately if the Republicans get crushed in the Midterms I think they'll crawl back to Trumpism. Because Trump can easily take advantage of Republicans when they're demoralized.
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Postby Diahon » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:45 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Is it? He seemed to do a tap dance to keep ahold of the trump followers.

That endorsement may have a price tag.

You mean the thing that had the entire media use simply as a method of attack that apparently didn't work?

That's part of the problem, I'm seeing the responses from Democrats and it's all "JAN 6 COVID DEATHS TRUMP" stuff that Youngkin has literally nothing to do with.

The Democrats are going to need to have a better strategy than screaming Trump at the top of their lungs for eternity, like delivering on promises, ultimately if Youngkin won it's because the Democrats haven't delivered and like I said before, let's hope this convinces Democrats that it's time to deliver.

If they deliver, I think the pain in the midterms will be weakened.

youngkin and his ilk have everything to do with that shit, they're fucking republicans

the blood trump spilt is all in their fucking heads

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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:45 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Is it? He seemed to do a tap dance to keep ahold of the trump followers.

That endorsement may have a price tag.

You mean the thing that had the entire media use simply as a method of attack that apparently didn't work?

That's part of the problem, I'm seeing the responses from Democrats and it's all "JAN 6 COVID DEATHS TRUMP" stuff that Youngkin has literally nothing to do with.

The Democrats are going to need to have a better strategy than screaming Trump at the top of their lungs for eternity, like delivering on promises, ultimately if Youngkin won it's because the Democrats haven't delivered and like I said before, let's hope this convinces Democrats that it's time to deliver.

If they deliver, I think the pain in the midterms will be weakened.


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Throwing that messaging against candidates that are not Trump, do not look or act like Trump, and are not indelibly tied at the hip to Trump is not going to make for a functional campaign.
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Postby Galactic Transylvania » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:46 pm

Diahon wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:You mean the thing that had the entire media use simply as a method of attack that apparently didn't work?

That's part of the problem, I'm seeing the responses from Democrats and it's all "JAN 6 COVID DEATHS TRUMP" stuff that Youngkin has literally nothing to do with.

The Democrats are going to need to have a better strategy than screaming Trump at the top of their lungs for eternity, like delivering on promises, ultimately if Youngkin won it's because the Democrats haven't delivered and like I said before, let's hope this convinces Democrats that it's time to deliver.

If they deliver, I think the pain in the midterms will be weakened.

youngkin and his ilk have everything to do with that shit, they're fucking republicans

the blood trump spilt is all in their fucking heads


OK and? You can't expect the average voter to be so tuned in "on the issues" to make connections between Youngkin's Policies and Trumpism.

Trumpism was as much about aesthetic as it was actual meaningful policy.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:46 pm

Diahon wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:You mean the thing that had the entire media use simply as a method of attack that apparently didn't work?

That's part of the problem, I'm seeing the responses from Democrats and it's all "JAN 6 COVID DEATHS TRUMP" stuff that Youngkin has literally nothing to do with.

The Democrats are going to need to have a better strategy than screaming Trump at the top of their lungs for eternity, like delivering on promises, ultimately if Youngkin won it's because the Democrats haven't delivered and like I said before, let's hope this convinces Democrats that it's time to deliver.

If they deliver, I think the pain in the midterms will be weakened.

youngkin and his ilk have everything to do with that shit, they're fucking republicans

the blood trump spilt is all in their fucking heads

Guess voters just don't care. We can literally attempt a coup, have people die in the process, then go on to win in a state that Biden won by 10%. Really doesn't seem to be much of a penalty.

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Postby Diahon » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:46 pm

Galactic Transylvania wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:You mean the thing that had the entire media use simply as a method of attack that apparently didn't work?

That's part of the problem, I'm seeing the responses from Democrats and it's all "JAN 6 COVID DEATHS TRUMP" stuff that Youngkin has literally nothing to do with.

The Democrats are going to need to have a better strategy than screaming Trump at the top of their lungs for eternity, like delivering on promises, ultimately if Youngkin won it's because the Democrats haven't delivered and like I said before, let's hope this convinces Democrats that it's time to deliver.

If they deliver, I think the pain in the midterms will be weakened.


This is the big takeaway.

The messaging against Trump worked because he's Trump.

Throwing that messaging against candidates that are not Trump, do not look or act like Trump, and are not indelibly tied at the hip to Trump is not going to make for a functional campaign.

bullshit

they'll trump the fuck away as soon as they gain power

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:47 pm

Diahon wrote:
Galactic Transylvania wrote:
This is the big takeaway.

The messaging against Trump worked because he's Trump.

Throwing that messaging against candidates that are not Trump, do not look or act like Trump, and are not indelibly tied at the hip to Trump is not going to make for a functional campaign.

bullshit

they'll trump the fuck away as soon as they gain power

And?
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The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
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Postby Kowani » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:48 pm

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Postby Diahon » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:50 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Diahon wrote:bullshit

they'll trump the fuck away as soon as they gain power

And?

do trump things

and in the process add to their staggered death toll

but sure, fuck the dems and jump all lemminglike to the murderers you've failed to persecute to the ends of the earth

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:51 pm

Diahon wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:And?

do trump things

and in the process add to their staggered death toll

but sure, fuck the dems and jump all lemminglike to the murderers you've failed to persecute to the ends of the earth

Ok.
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
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Long Island, Suffollk county heading for Republican sweeps
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Postby Comerciante » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:53 pm

Arlenton wrote:Guess voters just don't care. We can literally attempt a coup, have people die in the process, then go on to win in a state that Biden won by 10%. Really doesn't seem to be much of a penalty.

If political violence bears no real consequences...

Then I guess we just wait for parties to start forming private "security" groups and the like.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:55 pm

Comerciante wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Guess voters just don't care. We can literally attempt a coup, have people die in the process, then go on to win in a state that Biden won by 10%. Really doesn't seem to be much of a penalty.

If political violence bears no real consequences...

Then I guess we just wait for parties to start forming private "security" groups and the like.

Oh yeah. At this point I fully expect it.

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:55 pm

Comerciante wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Guess voters just don't care. We can literally attempt a coup, have people die in the process, then go on to win in a state that Biden won by 10%. Really doesn't seem to be much of a penalty.

If political violence bears no real consequences...

When peaceful demonstrations and "democratic elections" stop working violence is the last resort for change, and the people need to wield that power instead of being lazy and content with their lot in life.
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Postby Diahon » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:57 pm

Comerciante wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Guess voters just don't care. We can literally attempt a coup, have people die in the process, then go on to win in a state that Biden won by 10%. Really doesn't seem to be much of a penalty.

If political violence bears no real consequences...

Then I guess we just wait for parties to start forming private "security" groups and the like.

or one can be proactive (in the "you could've done this as soon as january 20" sort) and uproot the gop, root and branch, leaving no elected or appointed official behind

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:57 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Well, a lot more votes just came in, and Essex and Camden Counties still have some more votes in, but I'm not convinced it's enough...so I have to call it.

Jack Ciattarelli is elected NJ Governor.

Unless all those absentee votes somehow go the other way, I just don't see any other outcome.

Yeah and Salem county counted all their votes already... 64-35 to Ciattarelli, that shocks me, like legit shocks me.

Not really, Salem is rural as fuck.
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:58 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Yeah and Salem county counted all their votes already... 64-35 to Ciattarelli, that shocks me, like legit shocks me.

Not really, Salem is rural as fuck.

I thought because it borders Delaware and PA, especially so close to Philly it was much more of a Dem county tbf.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:58 pm

Comerciante wrote:If political violence bears no real consequences...

Then I guess we just wait for parties to start forming private "security" groups and the like.

We already have far-right militia patrolling the streets last year.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:01 pm

Diahon wrote:
Comerciante wrote:If political violence bears no real consequences...

Then I guess we just wait for parties to start forming private "security" groups and the like.

or one can be proactive (in the "you could've done this as soon as january 20" sort) and uproot the gop, root and branch, leaving no elected or appointed official behind

I don't see a point in opposing it tbh. It's clearly not harming my party that way it was "supposed to".

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:02 pm

Picairn wrote:
Comerciante wrote:If political violence bears no real consequences...

Then I guess we just wait for parties to start forming private "security" groups and the like.

We already have far-right militia patrolling the streets last year.

Really to be more accurate, we had far right, far left, centrist, and "We don't care what side you're on stay the fuck away from our homes' militias patrolling the streets last year.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:04 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Picairn wrote:We already have far-right militia patrolling the streets last year.

Really to be more accurate, we had far right, far left, centrist, and "We don't care what side you're on stay the fuck away from our homes' militias patrolling the streets last year.


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