American Politics VII: Virginia Reel

[Pasong Tirad]

Are people blaming progressives yet

[Shrillland]

Are people blaming progressives yet

About two or three pages ago, yes.

[Great Algerstonia]

Are people blaming progressives yet

Yes progressives more like progrASSives

[Senkaku]

Are people blaming progressives yet

from NSG to the halls of power

Five bucks says we'll hear that progressives dragged them down instead, and that Democrats need to be even more inoffensive/insubstantial with their ambitions.

from a reporter at politico

Five bucks says we'll hear that progressives dragged them down instead, and that Democrats need to be even more inoffensive/insubstantial with their ambitions.

Why would they keep chasing a fickle voter block who doesn't show up even when they have the options on the table? Total waste of time for them to alienate a reliable voter base chasing a group that thinks sitting on their hands is a political virtue. Hell, I'm in that category, they managed to get me to vote Democrat exactly once...why the fuck should they care about what I say when they can court a group that will give their candidates some of their NPR money and reliably show up as long as the policy doesn't scare them too much?

If this snitty progressive block was as powerful and big as they imagined they could be coalescing around a third party option or elect local party officials working their way up to shape the party and actually become a block worth courting But they'd rather complain on the internet and spout privileged bullshit like abandoning any progress no matter how small to spite literally just themselves but prevent any relief coming to vulnerable people at all and get smug when someone who will work actively against them gets in office like that's accomplishing their goals somehow.

The progressives are at fault because they refuse to exert their power and when they do they don't have the balls to push it to the finish line, instead taking the first setback they can find to justify doomposting. They squandered the change in national conversation that came with Occupy, they squandered the movement from last year. Meanwhile the moderates remain reliable as the sunrise.

If two senators is enough to make you want to take your ball and go home, you're not worth courting. Every election night it's the same shit, people falling all over themselves to put on their "End is Nigh" sandwich boards and wonder why they didn't court the voters who spent the campaign throwing venom and insisting that voting for them is a waste of time.

People need to stop treating their vote like a wish and remember that collect action gets the goods.

[San Lumen]

Huh. I figured VA would flip narrowly, but NJ, shit. I figured Murphy would cut it way closer than expected, but a potential loss or even a 1-2pp win in NJ after Biden won it by 16-17? Jesus.

If he loses we should just give up on polls altogether. If progressives had a made a deal maybe this wouldn’t have happened. I’m done with politics. Any campaign I’ve worked on was a fluke none of it truly made any difference.

I expect one party Republican rule soon. If that’s what people want give let them have it.

[Antipatros]

I know that hysteria is part of the San Lumen brand, but holy shit dude chill out.

[Great Algerstonia]

Are people blaming progressives yet

from NSG to the halls of power

from a reporter at politico

Why would they keep chasing a fickle voter block who doesn't show up even when they have the options on the table? Total waste of time for them to alienate a reliable voter base chasing a group that thinks sitting on their hands is a political virtue. Hell, I'm in that category, they managed to get me to vote Democrat exactly once...why the fuck should they care about what I say when they can court a group that will give their candidates some of their NPR money and reliably show up as long as the policy doesn't scare them too much?

If this snitty progressive block was as powerful and big as they imagined they could be coalescing around a third party option or elect local party officials working their way up to shape the party and actually become a block worth courting But they'd rather complain on the internet and spout privileged bullshit like abandoning any progress no matter how small to spite literally just themselves but prevent any relief coming to vulnerable people at all and get smug when someone who will work actively against them gets in office like that's accomplishing their goals somehow.

The progressives are at fault because they refuse to exert their power and when they do they don't have the balls to push it to the finish line, instead taking the first setback they can find to justify doomposting. They squandered the change in national conversation that came with Occupy, they squandered the movement from last year. Meanwhile the moderates remain reliable as the sunrise.

If two senators is enough to make you want to take your ball and go home, you're not worth courting. Every election night it's the same shit, people falling all over themselves to put on their "End is Nigh" sandwich boards and wonder why they didn't court the voters who spent the campaign throwing venom and insisting that voting for them is a waste of time.

People need to stop treating their vote like a wish and remember that collect action gets the goods.

Why you ignoring me

[Dresderstan]

Huh. I figured VA would flip narrowly, but NJ, shit. I figured Murphy would cut it way closer than expected, but a potential loss or even a 1-2pp win in NJ after Biden won it by 16-17? Jesus.

If he loses we should just give up on polls altogether. If progressives had a made a deal maybe this wouldn’t have happened. I’m done with politics. Any campaign I’ve worked on was a fluke none of it truly made any difference.

I expect one party Republican rule soon. If that’s what people want give let them have it.

Goodbye then.

[San Lumen]

I know that hysteria is part of the San Lumen brand, but holy shit dude chill out.

Why? If someone who leads with 50 plus in every poll loses why should I have any hope left?

[Pasong Tirad]

Are people blaming progressives yet

from NSG to the halls of power

from a reporter at politico

Classic. Oh yeah dude totally lukewarm centrist McAuliffe lost because of progressives

[Zurkerx]

Huh, it has tightened up in Virginia although Youngkin will win. Looks like I was close with predicting the results. As it stands, Youngkin has 50.7% to McAuliffe 48.6%.

I had Youngkin getting 49.51% to McAuliffe getting 48.9%. Suffice to say, I called this one correctly.

As for NJ though, that's a shocker though not all of the blue areas have reported yet. Still, Murphy had an approval rating between 52-55% so this is surprising.

[Senkaku]

I know that hysteria is part of the San Lumen brand, but holy shit dude chill out.

Why? If someone who leads with 50 plus in every poll loses why should I have any hope left?

"50 plus in every poll" lmao

you're abandoning all hope in the political process overnight because a very close off-year gubernatorial election in a state you don't even live in went against your preferences, if you can't see why people are laughing at that then I don't think anyone can explain it to you

[Shrillland]

Huh, it has tightened up in Virginia although Youngkin will win. Looks like I was close with predicting the results. As it stands, Youngkin has 50.7% to McAuliffe 48.6%.

I had Youngkin getting 49.51% to McAuliffe getting 48.9%. Suffice to say, I called this one correctly.

As for NJ though, that's a shocker though not all of the blue areas have reported yet. Still, Murphy had an approval rating between 52-55% so this is surprising.

The biggest problem is there's still two sapphire blue counties that have barely reported, Essex and Passaic. If they start bringing in numbers and Ciattarelli's still leading, then I'll call it for him. Until then, I'm content to wait.

[Corrian]

Huh, it has tightened up in Virginia although Youngkin will win. Looks like I was close with predicting the results. As it stands, Youngkin has 50.7% to McAuliffe 48.6%.

I had Youngkin getting 49.51% to McAuliffe getting 48.9%. Suffice to say, I called this one correctly.

As for NJ though, that's a shocker though not all of the blue areas have reported yet. Still, Murphy had an approval rating between 52-55% so this is surprising.

I think NJ will narrow as well. Sounds like some weird reporting there.

[Pasong Tirad]

I know that hysteria is part of the San Lumen brand, but holy shit dude chill out.

Why? If someone who leads with 50 plus in every poll loses why should I have any hope left?

Maybe you should take your break now. Like, literally right now. Consider logging off and maybe touching some grass.

[Ngelmish]

from NSG to the halls of power

Classic. Oh yeah dude totally lukewarm centrist McAuliffe lost because of progressives

Progressives didn't lose this election per se, or even particularly, but it is a fundamental problem of American politics that demagogues like Trump or Youngkin get in striking distance to eke out a win in the first place -- and that is something that could be prevented if more people voted more consistently against the possibility, which does necessarily include certain groups of progressive voters.

[Dresderstan]

Why? If someone who leads with 50 plus in every poll loses why should I have any hope left?

Maybe you should take your break now. Like, literally right now. Consider logging off and maybe touching some grass.

Yes please, Lumen, you keep saying you're gonna take a break but you never actually do.

[Shrillland]

Another call to make:

Boston Mayor: Michelle Wu

There, see? Progressives got something.

[Antipatros]

Huh, it has tightened up in Virginia although Youngkin will win. Looks like I was close with predicting the results. As it stands, Youngkin has 50.7% to McAuliffe 48.6%.

I had Youngkin getting 49.51% to McAuliffe getting 48.9%. Suffice to say, I called this one correctly.

As for NJ though, that's a shocker though not all of the blue areas have reported yet. Still, Murphy had an approval rating between 52-55% so this is surprising.

I think NJ will narrow as well. Sounds like some weird reporting there.

NJ is kind of a question mark at the moment, at least according to Nate Cohn.

I'm just going to keep waiting for returns to come in.

[Zurkerx]

Huh, it has tightened up in Virginia although Youngkin will win. Looks like I was close with predicting the results. As it stands, Youngkin has 50.7% to McAuliffe 48.6%.

I had Youngkin getting 49.51% to McAuliffe getting 48.9%. Suffice to say, I called this one correctly.

As for NJ though, that's a shocker though not all of the blue areas have reported yet. Still, Murphy had an approval rating between 52-55% so this is surprising.

The biggest problem is there's still two sapphire blue counties that have barely reported, Essex and Passaic. If they start bringing in numbers and Ciattarelli's still leading, then I'll call it for him. Until then, I'm content to wait.

Correct which is why I'm still a bit skeptical Ciattarelli will win although it wasn't projected to be this close: that's what is surprising here.

Huh, it has tightened up in Virginia although Youngkin will win. Looks like I was close with predicting the results. As it stands, Youngkin has 50.7% to McAuliffe 48.6%.

I had Youngkin getting 49.51% to McAuliffe getting 48.9%. Suffice to say, I called this one correctly.

As for NJ though, that's a shocker though not all of the blue areas have reported yet. Still, Murphy had an approval rating between 52-55% so this is surprising.

I think NJ will narrow as well. Sounds like some weird reporting there.

As Shrill said, Passaic and Essex have not turn in their results fully. Somehow, both areas are only reporting 1-2% of counted ballots.

[Kowani]

Virginia House of Delegates flipped

data reporting error n the state's here-HOD might not have flipped after all
hold off on that one

[Senkaku]

Classic. Oh yeah dude totally lukewarm centrist McAuliffe lost because of progressives

Progressives didn't lose this election per se, or even particularly, but it is a fundamental problem of American politics that demagogues like Trump or Youngkin get in striking distance to eke out a win in the first place -- and that is something that could be prevented if more people voted more consistently against the possibility, which does necessarily include certain groups of progressive voters.

the blame game here is less bitching out progressives for not turning out in VA (iirc Princess Blanding underperformed quite a bit vs. expectations) and more blaming them for the stalling of the infrastructure bills (which in turn is alleged to be the primary cause of McAuliffe's defeat)

[Shrillland]

Progressives didn't lose this election per se, or even particularly, but it is a fundamental problem of American politics that demagogues like Trump or Youngkin get in striking distance to eke out a win in the first place -- and that is something that could be prevented if more people voted more consistently against the possibility, which does necessarily include certain groups of progressive voters.

the blame game here is less bitching out progressives for not turning out in VA (iirc Princess Blanding underperformed quite a bit vs. expectations) and more blaming them for the stalling of the infrastructure bills (which in turn is alleged to be the primary cause of McAuliffe's defeat)

That's a cause, certainly. The other is the incoherent stance the party has on solutions for systemic racism and how the Republicans are using it to wield the CRT club.

[Kowani]

Virginia House of Delegates flipped

data reporting error n the state's here-HOD might not have flipped after all
hold off on that one

Now projected to be a tie (50/50)

[Senkaku]

the blame game here is less bitching out progressives for not turning out in VA (iirc Princess Blanding underperformed quite a bit vs. expectations) and more blaming them for the stalling of the infrastructure bills (which in turn is alleged to be the primary cause of McAuliffe's defeat)

That's a cause, certainly. The other is the incoherent stance the party has on solutions for systemic racism and how the Republicans are using it to wield the CRT club.

who has been holding up the infrastructure bills, remind me